cold response to cold start doctrine

[asker]

How Pakistan is planing to conventionally counter indias CSD which aspires quick mobilization of forces? If some untoward incident happens and India mobilises its forces in 24 hours, can pakistan mobilise its forces within this limited span of time lastly is Pakistan planning to do anything other than using Nasr missiles

 

[omega supremme]

Combat Doctrine
The Pakistan Army has developed a doctrine called the Riposte which is a limited "offensive-defence"[53] doctrine. It has refined it consistently starting in 1989 during the Exercise Zarb–e–Momin. This doctrine is fully focused towards Pakistan's primary adversary, India.

The doctrine is derived from several factors:[54]

1. The vulnerability of Pakistan is that so many of its major population centres and politically and military sensitive targets lie very close to the border with India. As such Pakistan can ill-afford to lose large territories to an Indian attack.
2. 'Strategic depth' in the form of a friendly Afghanistan is deemed vital by military planners.
3. India has substantially enhanced its offensive capabilities, with the Cold Start Doctrine. Any counterattack would be very tricky against the large number of Indian troops involved. The response of the Pakistani army includes the development of the Nasr missile.
4. Holding formations in both India and Pakistan can man their forward defensive positions and fortifications in less than 24 hours. However, Corps level reserves with large stockpiles of munitions will take between 24 to 72 hours for mobilization after being given their orders. In this regard, both armies will be evenly matched in the first 24 hours since the Pakistani units have to travel a shorter distance to their forward positions.

This doctrine entails Pakistan in the event of hostilities with India will not wait for the enemy's offensive, but rather launch an offensive of its own. The offensive will be a limited advance along narrow fronts with the aim of occupying territory near the border to a depth of 40–50 km. Since Indian forces will not reach their maximum strength near the border for another 48–72 hours, Pakistan might have parity or numerical superiority against the Indians.

The Pakistani Army hopes to accomplish three things under this strategy:[54]

1. The enemy is kept off-balance as it will be tied up containing the Pakistani offensive into its territory rather than launching an offensive into Pakistani territory.
2. The Pakistani Army hopes to contain the fighting on the Indian side of the border so that any collateral or other damage will be suffered by India.
3. Indian territory of strategic importance once seized, will give the Pakistani Army a bargaining chip to be used in the aftermath of a ceasefire brought about by international pressure after 3–4 weeks of fighting.
4. The use of tactical battlefield nuclear missile such as Nasr missile that provide maximal damage against massed troops for extremely limited collateral casualties.

Kashmir, Line of Control and the Northern Punjab areas are heavily fortified and ill-suited for large mechanized offensives. The most likely area where Pakistan might launch its offensive is the semi-desert and desert sectors in southern Punjab and Sindh provinces.

To supplement this doctrine, the Army in the 1990s created a strong centralized corps of reserves for its formations. The force is known as Army Reserve South and is a grouping of several powerful Corps from Pakistan's Order of Battle. These formations have been rapidly equipped with assets needed for mechanized capability. These reserve formations are dual-capable, meaning they can be used for offensive as well as defensive (holding) purposes. Pakistan has also increased its ammunition, fuel and other military stockpiles to last for 45 days in case of a conflict. During the 1965 war for instance, Pakistan only had 13-day reserves which hampered its military operations.

 

[Neutron]

Check old threads. Already debated till death.

 

[rational]

Pakistan will send zahid Hamid on white horse with shining sword to counter CSD ,the blaze of the sword will blind Indian army ,an easy win for Pakistan

 

[somebozo]

How Pakistan is planing to conventionally counter indias CSD which aspires quick mobilization of forces? If some untoward incident happens and India mobilises its forces in 24 hours, can pakistan mobilise its forces within this limited span of time lastly is Pakistan planning to do anything other than using Nasr missiles

Indian mobilizing their forces in 24 hours is a joke..
Beside..Pakistan has developed battle field nukes which can disable good chunk of Indian personal and equipment's inside Pakistani borders.

26/11 served a good litmus test of Indian cold start preparedness...the reaction was NIL...

 

[rational]

Indian mobilizing their forces in 24 hours is a joke..
Beside..Pakistan has developed battle field nukes which can disable good chunk of Indian personal and equipment's inside Pakistani borders.

26/11 served a good litmus test of Indian cold start preparedness...the reaction was NIL...

My option is better

 

[Syed_Adeel]

Pakistan will send zahid Hamid on white horse with shining sword to counter CSD ,the blaze of the sword will blind Indian army ,an easy win for Pakistan

Your comment is as stupid as your DP

 

[rational]

Your comment is as stupid as your DP

OK

 

[Jat Boy]

Does Pakistan have 45 DAYS of war Reserves ????????

USA has estimated Pak war fighting potential to be 7-10 days max against india before they run short of fuel gas and ammo.

Beyond this Pakistan would start to lose ground/territory

AT WHICH POINT USA THINK TANKS believe a desperate Pakistan will resort to tactical nukes or suffer huge embaressment and lose territory.

The Pakistani high command and the leaders are aware of this and have feared a cold start type scenario turning into a nitemare scenario whereby Lahore or the LOC is seriously breached..

THIS IS WHY PAKISTAN HAS WARNED INDIA OVER NUCLEAR STRIKES

They know there conventional war fighting ability is very limited to 10 days.

USA knows this
India knows this
Pakistan knows this

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

How Pakistan is planing to conventionally counter indias CSD which aspires quick mobilization of forces? If some untoward incident happens and India mobilises its forces in 24 hours, can pakistan mobilise its forces within this limited span of time lastly is Pakistan planning to do anything other than using Nasr missiles

Hey, Pakistan has the ability the mobilize at a very fast pace like in 2002 and 2008 when India moved its troops to the border; Pakistani soldiers were already ready and dug in. The Cold Start is no threat to Pakistan, the only reason we are using tactical nukes to fend off verbal threats is because most of our military resources are being focused on the Western front.

 

[Indika]

Hey, Pakistan has the ability the mobilize at a very fast pace like in 2002 and 2008 when India moved its troops to the border; Pakistani soldiers were already ready and dug in. The Cold Start is no threat to Pakistan, the only reason we are using tactical nukes to fend off verbal threats is because most of our military resources are being focused on the Western front.

India just needs to mobilize the troops on the border and put them on stand by. Pakistan will have to drop every thing on western front and run to the eastern one. If the stand off continues for one or two months , the strain on the economy will soon show up. India simply needs to keep firing artillery shells for a month to bankrupt pakistan.

Does Pakistan have 45 DAYS of war Reserves ????????

USA has estimated Pak war fighting potential to be 7-10 days max against india before they run short of fuel gas and ammo.

Beyond this Pakistan would start to lose ground/territory

AT WHICH POINT USA THINK TANKS believe a desperate Pakistan will resort to tactical nukes or suffer huge embaressment and lose territory.

The Pakistani high command and the leaders are aware of this and have feared a cold start type scenario turning into a nitemare scenario whereby Lahore or the LOC is seriously breached..

THIS IS WHY PAKISTAN HAS WARNED INDIA OVER NUCLEAR STRIKES

They know there conventional war fighting ability is very limited to 10 days.

USA knows this
India knows this
Pakistan knows this

Agreed.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Does Pakistan have 45 DAYS of war Reserves ????????

USA has estimated Pak war fighting potential to be 7-10 days max against india before they run short of fuel gas and ammo.

Beyond this Pakistan would start to lose ground/territory

AT WHICH POINT USA THINK TANKS believe a desperate Pakistan will resort to tactical nukes or suffer huge embaressment and lose territory.

The Pakistani high command and the leaders are aware of this and have feared a cold start type scenario turning into a nitemare scenario whereby Lahore or the LOC is seriously breached..

THIS IS WHY PAKISTAN HAS WARNED INDIA OVER NUCLEAR STRIKES

They know there conventional war fighting ability is very limited to 10 days.

USA knows this
India knows this
Pakistan knows this

Pakistan is currently threatening India with nuclear strikes because all of our efforts are being focused on eliminating terror and we are currently very vulnerable from an attack from India -
our reserves will easily be stabilized once the operation is complete, defence industries are setting up more and more factories to cope with a situation like this - unless those factories are bombed - Pakistan will be able to significantly increase ammunition production both during peace and war time .

Not to mention, Saudi Arabia will be providing us with free fuel like in the past wars; if our navy is capable of fending off any blockade on Gwadar ; our fuel problem will also be taken care of. Saudi Arabia also funds our nuclear programs.

All this in mind, Pakistan can go up to months in war; much more than India - if needed Pakistan can go up to a year but with significantly reduced fire power.

A war like this will end up like last major conventional warfare, 1965 War; in which no sides were able to secure victory. If a garrison fought back an entire Indian invasion on the Lahore front , then what makes you think Lahore will be breached? India will no doubt make small gains in Punjab but Pakistan will also gain territory in Rajasthan in order to negotiate territory back if needed.

India just needs to mobilize the troops on the border and put them on stand by. Pakistan will have to drop every thing on western front and run to the eastern one. If the stand off continues for one or two months , the strain on the economy will soon show up. India simply needs to keep firing artillery shells for a month to bankrupt pakistan.


Agreed.

Thing is, within a year; the operation in the West will be completed. A standoff cannot bankrupt Pakistan, it costs around 1 billion dollars to maintain a standoff for a couple months; our military funds will also be pitched in by allied countries. Also, India shelled Pakistan in 2002 standoff, but it was India who lost more casualties as Pakistan began responding. If India needs to succeed, it will have to invest in its navy much more; and move on to blockading Gwadar and Karachi - but it will need to destroy land defence systems before it ever gets close - which i doubt will happen. A war between Pakistan and India will not get anywhere.

Pakistan will send zahid Hamid on white horse with shining sword to counter CSD ,the blaze of the sword will blind Indian army ,an easy win for Pakistan

No No, Zaid Hamid stands no chance for your Vedic Star ships and aircraft carriers. Your Hanumon warriors will easily overwhelm us.

 

[Cyberian]

India is just too darpoke of Pakistan. After the 2002 and 2008 stand-offs, India has accepted defeat.

 

[omega supremme]

India just needs to mobilize the troops on the border and put them on stand by. Pakistan will have to drop every thing on western front and run to the eastern one. If the stand off continues for one or two months , the strain on the economy will soon show up. India simply needs to keep firing artillery shells for a month to bankrupt pakistan.

Yes, you people should do it come to border and do artillery shelling but than why you people backed off in 2002 and 2008 couldn't sustain forces on border

 

[Jat Boy]

Talware

"Pakistan will also gain territory in Rajasthan in order to negotiate territory back if needed.

Rajasthan is a desert ...... no where to hide

WITHOUT TOTAL AIR SUPREMACY YOU CANNOT HOLD A DESERT ask the arabs when they fought Israel.

without Air Superiority you cannot CROSS THE LOC

For Either to happen PAF as to make the IAF non effective FIRST .

YOUR MILITARY IS WEAK IN LOGISTICS example you have no large transport fleet or helicopter fleet so resupply taking wounded out bringing reinforcements is very poor.

BECAUSE YOU SO WEAK LOGICTICS WISE YOU WONT DARE CROSS LOC

YOU PEOPLE WILL DIG IN AND DEFEND

your main offensive weapons are your missles you wont dare cross into india outnumbered and long stretched logistically lines

I am not belittling your country or your military.

But you just cant match a military power the SIZE of india . its not possible

YES YOU CAN GO TOE TO TOE 10 DAYS but your resources will run out far quicker

IN 65 & 71 you had guaranteed USA and china support and even the arabs.

TODAY other than china ( who gave you only diplomatic help in 99) you are alone

USA will not help either side and will stop SPARES for your USA hardware to avoid a escalation