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Pakistan’s Taliban problem is America’s too​

Analysis by Nic Robertson, CNN, and Saleem Mehsud
Updated 10:20 PM EST, Thu December 15, 2022

Armed Pakistani Taliban members at a hideout in the semi-autonomous tribal district of Orakzai on April 22, 2009.

Armed Pakistani Taliban members at a hideout in the semi-autonomous tribal district of Orakzai on April 22, 2009.
Rehman Ali/AFP/Getty Images
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When the United States withdrew its forces from Afghanistan after 20 years in the country, it did so on a promise that the Taliban once back in government would provide no haven for terrorist groups.
The Taliban pledge covered not only al Qaeda – the terror group whose presence in the country led to the US invasion in 2001 – but also the Taliban’s ideological twin next door, the Pakistani Taliban or TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan).

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But the recent break down of an already shaky year-long ceasefire in neighboring Pakistan between the TTP and Islamabad raises some troubling questions over whether that promise will hold.
The end of the ceasefire in Pakistan threatens not only escalating violence in that country but potentially an increase in cross-border tensions between the Afghan and Pakistani governments.

And it is already putting links between the Afghan Taliban and its Pakistani counterpart under the spotlight.
As recently as spring last year Pakistani Taliban leader Noor Wali Mehsud told CNN that in return for helping to push the US out of Kabul his group would expect support from the Afghan Taliban in its own fight.
Like their erstwhile brothers in arms in Afghanistan, the Pakistani Taliban want to overthrow their country’s government and impose their own strict Islamic code.
In an exclusive interview with CNN this week, Mehsud blamed the ceasefire’s breakdown on Islamabad, saying it “violated the ceasefire and martyred tens of our comrades and arrested tens of them.”
But he was more guarded when asked directly whether the Afghan Taliban was now helping his group as he had once hoped.
TTP leader Noor Wali Mehsud.

TTP leader Noor Wali Mehsud.
TTP
His answer: “We are fighting Pakistan’s war from within the territory of Pakistan; using Pakistani soil. We have the ability to fight for many more decades with the weapons and spirit of liberation that exist in the soil of Pakistan.”
Those words should be of concern not only to Islamabad, but Washington too.
The FBI has been tracking the TTP for at least a decade and a half, long before they radicalized and trained Faisal Shazad for his brazen attack setting fire to a vehicle in New York’s Times Square in 2010.

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Following the Times Square attack the TTP was designated a terrorist organization and is still considered a threat to US interests.
And while Islamabad is keen to play down the threat from the group – Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah says Pakistan can “fully” control conflict with the TTP and describes conversations with the TTP during the ceasefire as talks “which are held in a state of war” – its control of the situation pivots on the TTP remaining within Pakistan’s borders.

Attacks raise questions​

There are growing questions about the TTP’s reach and Islamabad’s perception of the situation does not match Mehsud’s.
In April this year, the Pakistani military struck targets in Afghanistan warning that “terrorists are using Afghan soil with impunity to carry out activities inside Pakistan.”
US soldiers board an US Air Force aircraft at the airport in Kabul on August 30, 2021.

US soldiers board an US Air Force aircraft at the airport in Kabul on August 30, 2021.
Aamir Qureshi/AFP/Getty Images
And in late November, the day after the ceasefire broke down, Islamabad again claimed the TTP were using Afghan territory as a safe haven, sending Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar to express its concerns to Kabul.

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The very next day the TTP claimed responsibility for an attack in the border province of Quetta, where a suicide bomber had targeted a police van helping a Polio vaccination team, killing three and injuring 23.
When CNN pressed Meshud on Islamabad’s claims that he is getting Afghan help, asking him if the support is being kept secret, he rejected this, saying: “When we don’t need any help from the Afghan Taliban; what is the point of hiding it?”
Nevertheless, cross border Afghan/Pakistani government tensions are building and came to a deadly head again last week in an exchange between the two countries’ militaries near the Chaman/Spin Boldak border post, a vital commercial link between the two countries.
Six people were killed and 17 injured. While there is no evidence of direct involvement by the TTP – or at least, not yet – the end of the ceasefire has clearly raised the temperature.
The situation is only getting more combustible, with the TTP this week announcing another three jihadi groups had joined their ranks, all from along the troubled Afghanistan-Pakistan border region.

America versus the TTP?​

The United States has also accused the Pakistani Taliban of using Afghan territory, doing so in a statement three days after the ceasefire ended in which the State Department named TTP defence chief Qari Amjad as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist.”
That raises the possibility that the US could target TTP commanders found operating in Afghanistan – much as it killed al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri with a drone strike in Kabul in September.
“The United States is committed to using its full set of counterterrorism tools to counter the threat posed by terrorist groups operating in Afghanistan, including al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent and Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), as part of our relentless efforts to ensure that terrorists do not use Afghanistan as a platform for international terrorism,” the State Department said in its statement.
Intriguingly, the Pakistani Taliban is the only terrorist group in the region to have acknowledged al-Zawahiri’s killing.
Yet in his interview with CNN, Mehsud was defiant saying he “did not expect America to take such action” against his group.
“America should stop teasing us by interfering in our affairs unnecessarily at the instigation of Pakistan – this cruel decision shows the failure of American politics,” he said.
Abdul Wali, also known as Omar Khalid Khorasani
Senior leader of Pakistani Taliban killed in IED attack, sources say
But he also shot back with a threat, that “if America takes such a step, America itself will be responsible for its loss. The United States has not yet understood Pakistan’s duplicitous policy; Pakistan’s history is a witness that it keeps changing directions for its own interests.”
Washington, for its part, faces a quandary. Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto is currently visiting the US and the TTP was likely on the agenda when he met United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres for a Security Council debate on the “maintenance of international peace and security” on December 14. It will also likely feature in his talks with US administration officials in Washington, DC, which are scheduled for December 19.
But as the United States has already discovered at its cost, there are no easy solutions in Afghanistan.
More than a year since its withdrawal and the humanitarian situation in the country continues to worsen, and despite the US recently easing controls that limit the Afghan Taliban’s access to international funds, the former terror-group-turned-government continues to fail even moderate international expectations of good governance.
The UN Human rights chief recently accused the Afghan Taliban of “the continued systemic exclusion of women and girls from virtually all aspects of life”, and in the past week they held their first public execution since coming to power.
Yet if the Afghan Taliban are shown to be helping the TTP, there is another troubling prospect for the US: it may face greater pressure to re-engage.
 
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Where can we read authentic interviews of TTP? Their political perspective of Pakistan is interesting but it's unclear whether they are truly the Pakistani analogue of the IEA - or just separatists

I did think they were separatists but they seem to always mention Pakistan as a whole
 
“America should stop teasing us by interfering in our affairs unnecessarily at the instigation of Pakistan – this cruel decision shows the failure of American politics,” he said.

But he also shot back with a threat, that “if America takes such a step, America itself will be responsible for its loss. The United States has not yet understood Pakistan’s duplicitous policy; Pakistan’s history is a witness that it keeps changing directions for its own interests.”



Very odd thing to say and it goes to show you this group views Pakistan as a separate entity which is to be attacked.
They also seem to be worried about US involvement.
 

World



Pakistan’s Taliban problem is America’s too​

Analysis by Nic Robertson, CNN, and Saleem Mehsud
Updated 10:20 PM EST, Thu December 15, 2022

Armed Pakistani Taliban members at a hideout in the semi-autonomous tribal district of Orakzai on April 22, 2009.

Armed Pakistani Taliban members at a hideout in the semi-autonomous tribal district of Orakzai on April 22, 2009.
Rehman Ali/AFP/Getty Images
CNN —
When the United States withdrew its forces from Afghanistan after 20 years in the country, it did so on a promise that the Taliban once back in government would provide no haven for terrorist groups.
The Taliban pledge covered not only al Qaeda – the terror group whose presence in the country led to the US invasion in 2001 – but also the Taliban’s ideological twin next door, the Pakistani Taliban or TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan).

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But the recent break down of an already shaky year-long ceasefire in neighboring Pakistan between the TTP and Islamabad raises some troubling questions over whether that promise will hold.
The end of the ceasefire in Pakistan threatens not only escalating violence in that country but potentially an increase in cross-border tensions between the Afghan and Pakistani governments.

And it is already putting links between the Afghan Taliban and its Pakistani counterpart under the spotlight.
As recently as spring last year Pakistani Taliban leader Noor Wali Mehsud told CNN that in return for helping to push the US out of Kabul his group would expect support from the Afghan Taliban in its own fight.
Like their erstwhile brothers in arms in Afghanistan, the Pakistani Taliban want to overthrow their country’s government and impose their own strict Islamic code.
In an exclusive interview with CNN this week, Mehsud blamed the ceasefire’s breakdown on Islamabad, saying it “violated the ceasefire and martyred tens of our comrades and arrested tens of them.”
But he was more guarded when asked directly whether the Afghan Taliban was now helping his group as he had once hoped.
TTP leader Noor Wali Mehsud.

TTP leader Noor Wali Mehsud.
TTP
His answer: “We are fighting Pakistan’s war from within the territory of Pakistan; using Pakistani soil. We have the ability to fight for many more decades with the weapons and spirit of liberation that exist in the soil of Pakistan.”
Those words should be of concern not only to Islamabad, but Washington too.
The FBI has been tracking the TTP for at least a decade and a half, long before they radicalized and trained Faisal Shazad for his brazen attack setting fire to a vehicle in New York’s Times Square in 2010.

Ad feedback
Following the Times Square attack the TTP was designated a terrorist organization and is still considered a threat to US interests.
And while Islamabad is keen to play down the threat from the group – Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah says Pakistan can “fully” control conflict with the TTP and describes conversations with the TTP during the ceasefire as talks “which are held in a state of war” – its control of the situation pivots on the TTP remaining within Pakistan’s borders.

Attacks raise questions​

There are growing questions about the TTP’s reach and Islamabad’s perception of the situation does not match Mehsud’s.
In April this year, the Pakistani military struck targets in Afghanistan warning that “terrorists are using Afghan soil with impunity to carry out activities inside Pakistan.”
US soldiers board an US Air Force aircraft at the airport in Kabul on August 30, 2021.

US soldiers board an US Air Force aircraft at the airport in Kabul on August 30, 2021.
Aamir Qureshi/AFP/Getty Images
And in late November, the day after the ceasefire broke down, Islamabad again claimed the TTP were using Afghan territory as a safe haven, sending Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar to express its concerns to Kabul.

Ad feedback
The very next day the TTP claimed responsibility for an attack in the border province of Quetta, where a suicide bomber had targeted a police van helping a Polio vaccination team, killing three and injuring 23.
When CNN pressed Meshud on Islamabad’s claims that he is getting Afghan help, asking him if the support is being kept secret, he rejected this, saying: “When we don’t need any help from the Afghan Taliban; what is the point of hiding it?”
Nevertheless, cross border Afghan/Pakistani government tensions are building and came to a deadly head again last week in an exchange between the two countries’ militaries near the Chaman/Spin Boldak border post, a vital commercial link between the two countries.
Six people were killed and 17 injured. While there is no evidence of direct involvement by the TTP – or at least, not yet – the end of the ceasefire has clearly raised the temperature.
The situation is only getting more combustible, with the TTP this week announcing another three jihadi groups had joined their ranks, all from along the troubled Afghanistan-Pakistan border region.

America versus the TTP?​

The United States has also accused the Pakistani Taliban of using Afghan territory, doing so in a statement three days after the ceasefire ended in which the State Department named TTP defence chief Qari Amjad as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist.”
That raises the possibility that the US could target TTP commanders found operating in Afghanistan – much as it killed al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri with a drone strike in Kabul in September.
“The United States is committed to using its full set of counterterrorism tools to counter the threat posed by terrorist groups operating in Afghanistan, including al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent and Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), as part of our relentless efforts to ensure that terrorists do not use Afghanistan as a platform for international terrorism,” the State Department said in its statement.
Intriguingly, the Pakistani Taliban is the only terrorist group in the region to have acknowledged al-Zawahiri’s killing.
Yet in his interview with CNN, Mehsud was defiant saying he “did not expect America to take such action” against his group.
“America should stop teasing us by interfering in our affairs unnecessarily at the instigation of Pakistan – this cruel decision shows the failure of American politics,” he said.
Abdul Wali, also known as Omar Khalid Khorasani
Senior leader of Pakistani Taliban killed in IED attack, sources say
But he also shot back with a threat, that “if America takes such a step, America itself will be responsible for its loss. The United States has not yet understood Pakistan’s duplicitous policy; Pakistan’s history is a witness that it keeps changing directions for its own interests.”
Washington, for its part, faces a quandary. Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto is currently visiting the US and the TTP was likely on the agenda when he met United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres for a Security Council debate on the “maintenance of international peace and security” on December 14. It will also likely feature in his talks with US administration officials in Washington, DC, which are scheduled for December 19.
But as the United States has already discovered at its cost, there are no easy solutions in Afghanistan.
More than a year since its withdrawal and the humanitarian situation in the country continues to worsen, and despite the US recently easing controls that limit the Afghan Taliban’s access to international funds, the former terror-group-turned-government continues to fail even moderate international expectations of good governance.
The UN Human rights chief recently accused the Afghan Taliban of “the continued systemic exclusion of women and girls from virtually all aspects of life”, and in the past week they held their first public execution since coming to power.
Yet if the Afghan Taliban are shown to be helping the TTP, there is another troubling prospect for the US: it may face greater pressure to re-engage.
Brother, don't just copy paste the whole page, only paste the article. The way many websites of news channels are designed today makes it difficult to post the whole article in one copy paste.
 
“America should stop teasing us by interfering in our affairs unnecessarily at the instigation of Pakistan – this cruel decision shows the failure of American politics,” he said.

But he also shot back with a threat, that “if America takes such a step, America itself will be responsible for its loss. The United States has not yet understood Pakistan’s duplicitous policy; Pakistan’s history is a witness that it keeps changing directions for its own interests.”
I am hoping that even the bird brains in U.S. Government would have realized by now that we have no business here.
 
“America should stop teasing us by interfering in our affairs unnecessarily at the instigation of Pakistan – this cruel decision shows the failure of American politics,” he said.

But he also shot back with a threat, that “if America takes such a step, America itself will be responsible for its loss. The United States has not yet understood Pakistan’s duplicitous policy; Pakistan’s history is a witness that it keeps changing directions for its own interests.”



Very odd thing to say and it goes to show you this group views Pakistan as a separate entity which is to be attacked.
They also seem to be worried about US involvement.
US again planning for limited control over Afghanistan. But from two points Pakistan and Tajikistan border region . Soon you will see another build up.

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Pakistan’s Taliban problem is America’s too​



Is the CNN REALLY asking a SERIOUS question? I think a child age 15 reading up on foreign relations would know the answer, a BIG FAT YES! Because if the Talibans weren't in power, Afghanistan would actually be prospering by now (the Americans poured in billions and billions into this gigantic hole) only to find out they've wasted close to a TRILLION AND that all their ideas about making Afghanistan a modern state went down the toiler. And 21 years later, the world learns that WOMEN can't get education AND the neighboring country, Pakistan, sees a significant infusion of terrorism. And if not stopped, this crap might be re-routed from Iran to Central Asian nations, or to other places. This mindset must be crushed for good so people of Afghanistan can live a normal, prosper, violent free and educated life with peace with it's neighbors.

US again planning for limited control over Afghanistan. But from two points Pakistan and Tajikistan border region . Soon you will see another build up.

World-Data-Locator-Map-Afghanistan.jpg

US won't do any buildup. May be just drones per need. Pakistan however, is in a tough situation and MUST clean up the border areas or it's 15 years of work may be in danger. There are increases in terrorist attacks deep inside our borders. India's running it's "Two Hostile Borders" doctrine full swing. It MUST be crushed for good and our shaheeds blood must be avenged.
 
I would take America's help if they are sincere in destroying TTP, but than before we Question America we should ask ourselves are we as nation sincerely wants to get rid of TTP ? we have Awam who supports them, we have Army who consider them assets so we are also not sincere in destroying them, If state wants than TTP won't survive or come back but both public and state have supporters that's why they survive.
 
Where can we read authentic interviews of TTP? Their political perspective of Pakistan is interesting but it's unclear whether they are truly the Pakistani analogue of the IEA - or just separatists

I did think they were separatists but they seem to always mention Pakistan as a whole

In recent years they've tried to adopt separatist aesthetics given PTM's surge in popularity, but they'll still also play with whatever other cards they deem to be useful (e.g promoting a separate Seraiki province, sharing a common enemy with the communist BLA, calling Khadim Rizvi a martyr)

It can seem wildly contradictory but the basic aim is "throw enough sh*t and some of it will stick"

Fundamentally, however, yes they are Pakistan's analogue of the IEA - the end goal is to make Islamabad Kabul 2.0
 
How come USA was the main backing force of terror groups in the region?

After all the years of American occupation of Afghanistan, not only the previous problems wasn't solved but also the terrorist activities has significantly increased.

Given USA's behavior in the past, this story tells me that USA surely has huge influence on TTP. They might ease tge pressure of TTP on Pakistan but at same time they will ask for troops deployment to Pakistan. Win win for USA.
 
How come USA was the main backing force of terror groups in the region?

After all the years of American occupation of Afghanistan, not only the previous problems wasn't solved but also the terrorist activities has significantly increased.

Given USA's behavior in the past, this story tells me that USA surely has huge influence on TTP. They might ease tge pressure of TTP on Pakistan but at same time they will ask for troops deployment to Pakistan. Win win for USA.

Its simple, U.S.A. == Terrorism.
 
In recent years they've tried to adopt separatist aesthetics given PTM's surge in popularity, but they'll still also play with whatever other cards they deem to be useful (e.g promoting a separate Seraiki province, sharing a common enemy with the communist BLA, calling Khadim Rizvi a martyr)

It can seem wildly contradictory but the basic aim is "throw enough sh*t and some of it will stick"

Fundamentally, however, yes they are Pakistan's analogue of the IEA - the end goal is to make Islamabad Kabul 2.0
Or occupy territories where ever they can to rule like did in swat and fata areas
 

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