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China's military is improving but US still has more combat experience - Business Insider
Benjamin Brimelow
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February 1979 was the last time China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) was engaged in a large-scale war. In that conflict, a month-long invasion of Vietnam, the PLA suffered such high casualties, despite having a numerical advantage, that its overall performance is considered rather lackluster.

While the true number of casualties from both sides may never be definitively known (some Western estimates put Chinese losses as high as 26,000 killed and over 30,000 wounded), it was clear that the PLA was at a very low level of sophistication.

Since that war, PLA modernization has been a top priority for every Chinese leader, especially current President Xi Jinping. More than 40 years later, those modernization efforts are bearing fruit; the PLA is now recognized as one of the strongest militaries in the world.

Reorganization and investment
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Chinese Type 96 (ZTZ-96) tanks at the Vostok 2018 military exercise held by Russia and China, September 13, 2018.

The first reforms were organizational. PLA troop levels were reduced from almost 6 million in 1979 to its current size of roughly 2.5 million. This allows for a higher-quality army, as more training and resources can be devoted to each soldier.

China's 11 military regions were restructured into five, the ballistic-missile force became its own branch of the armed forces, and the PLA marine corps, which had been disbanded in 1957, was reestablished.

Xi also created the PLA's Strategic Support Force to support the PLA's cyber warfare, space warfare, and electronic warfare operations, and the Joint Staff Department, which acts as a command organ between all branches of the PLA and the Central Military Commission.

Xi has increased the PLA's budget in an effort to create a world-class military by the year 2050. China is now the second biggest spender on defense in the world, behind the US, and the largest in Asia.

New aircraft and armor
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Chinese PLA Z-10 and Z-19 helicopters at the China Helicopter Exposition in Tianjin, September 9, 2015.

The greatest indication of the PLA's growing strength is its equipment.

In 1979, it had no dedicated attack helicopters. It now has two: the Z-19 and Z-10. Both can carry anti-air and guided anti-tank missiles, and the Z-19 doubles as a reconnaissance helicopter.

For transport helicopters, the PLA operates licensed and unlicensed versions of existing French, Russian, and US models. This includes the Z-8, the Mil Mi-17, and the Z-20, which was recently unveiledand looks to be a copy of the UH-60 Black Hawk.

The Chinese air force now boasts modern fighter and multirole combat aircraft, including the Russian-built Su-27 (and its licensed Chinese version, the J-11), the Su-30 MKK (a version of the Su-30 made just for China), and the Su-35.

China has also built its own indigenous fighters and fighter-bombers. These include the J-10 (seen as a competitor to the F-16) the J-11, JH-7, and the J-16. Then there is China's stealth fighter, the J-20. Both the J-10 and J-20 were allegedly built with stolen US designs.

The PLA's armored force has also been reborn. Old Soviet-style armored vehicles have been replaced with an entire new set of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, amphibious fighting vehicles, and even airborne infantry fighting vehicles.

Finally, the PLA now has its own domestically designed and builtinfantry weapons

A rapdily growing navy
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Officers and soldiers of the Chinese naval fleet for escort mission line up on the deck at a port in Zhoushan, east China's Zhejiang Province, April 28, 2020.

But perhaps most impressive of all is the incredible growth of the PLA Navy (PLAN).

In 1979, the PLAN's fleet of was considered a "green-water" force mostly confined to coastal areas. The vast majority of its ships were also at least a generation behind their foreign counterparts, if not more.

Today, the PLAN is the largest navy in the world, with 33 destroyers, 54 frigates, 42 corvettes, 37 landing ships/amphibious transport docks, 60 submarines and, perhaps most importantly, two aircraft carriers and two amphibious assault ships.

The majority of those are modern missile-carrying warships, and their range has increased to the point that there is debate over whether the PLAN has achieved "blue-water" status.

China's submarine fleet includes 10 nuclear-powered attack and ballistic-missile subs, with plans to increase that number to 21 by 2030. Armed with the JL-2 ICBM, the PLAN's ballistic-missile subs can hit targets more than 5,500 miles away with one or multiple nuclear warheads.

The PLAN also plans to build two additional types of nuclear attack and ballistic-missile subs. The newer ballistic-missile sub, the Type 096, is expected to carry 24 ICBMs — double the payload of the current Type 094-class.

Whereas all US Navy submarines are nuclear powered, the PLAN has 50 diesel-powered subs from four different classes, with plans to increase that to 55 by 2030.

Nuclear-powered subs are generally faster and can remain underwater longer than diesel-powered subs, though Chinese nuclear-powered subs aren't as advanced. But diesel-powered subs are also improving, including ones fielded by China that likely concern the US and its partners in the region.

China is building more ships, and at a much faster rate, than the US or any of its counterparts in Asia. It also plans to increase the size of its marine corps from 20,000 personnel to 100,000.

An unrestrained Rocket Force
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Chinese military vehicles carrying DF-17 missiles in a parade for the 70th anniversary of the founding of Communist China in Beijing, Oct. 1, 2019.

The PLA Rocket Force (PLARF) has become one of the most intimidating missile forces in the world. China never signed the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) and was never subject to its limits, so it has been free to invest heavily in ballistic missiles.

"The US defense community has actually had a hard time coming up with ways to counter weapons like anti-ship ballistic missiles and intermediate range ballistic missiles, and the Chinese have made very good ones," Timothy Heath, a senior international and defense researcher at the Rand Corporation think tank, told Insider.

Missiles that put US officials on edge are the DF-21, the DF-26 (dubbed the "Guam Killer" for its reported ability to strike targets as far as Guam), and the DF-41, which can carry 10 independent warheads and is purportedly able to reach the continental US in 30 minutes.

There are also the DF-17 and DF-100, the first hypersonic missilesofficially in service with any military.

The PLARF is reported to have the largest and most diverse land-based missile arsenal in the world — about 95% of which would violate the INF if were China a signatory.

Experience is a big factor
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Chinese soldiers patrol the border of Khunjerab Pass in Kashgar in China's western Xinjiang region, November 21, 2019.

Despite this meteoric rise in capability, China still lacks one thing the US and many of its NATO allies have: experience.

Whereas China has not fought a major war since 1979, the US has been fighting conflicts in multiple countries since 2001. Although those conflicts have largely been against technologically inferior enemies, the decades of experience have given the US an institutional advantage.

The US has "more familiarity with the whole issue of operating under combat, more practical experience with all the problems and issues you have to deal with, and a lot of veterans who have actually operated in combat abroad," Heath said.

"Years of combat experience for the US has built an organization that has been tested and has institutionally developed a lot more practical experience and comfort with operating in a combat footing that is completely absent to the PLA," Heath added.

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A Chinese army cadet adjusts dancing humanoid robots at the PLA's Armored Forces Engineering Academy in Beijing, July 22, 2014.

Moreover, the US has more experience working with allies and in combined-arms warfare, whereas the PLA has only started learning how to do so in the last two decades.

"There is a lot of practical experience, experience working as a joint force, and a lot of testing relationships and innovating on the fly to deal with practical combat problems that is totally foreign to the PLA," Heath said.

One area where this is the case is arguably the most important part of a modern naval force: operating aircraft carriers. Unlike the US, which has had almost eight decades of experience with carrier operations, China has no mature doctrine or dedicated carrier task forces.

Additionally, its carrier aircraft, the J-15, is plagued with problems — so much so that China may be speeding up development of a stealth fighter replacement.

China also faces a number of other defense-related challenges, such as its struggles to build efficient jet engines, the negative ramifications of its one-child policy, and issues with corruptionwithin the PLA.

A different ambition and an uncertain future
That said, it is important to bear in mind that China does not seek to challenge the US in a military conflict across the entire world or to become the same type of globally-based military as the US.

Rather, it seeks to assert its authority in its home territory and waters.

China has a massive advantage in that most of the likely conflict scenarios it faces would take place very close to its territory. This means China may not need the same level of competence as the US, as it will be able to bring more troops, ships and aircraft, and weapons to bear in a fight without facing the challenges of operating over distance.

As its modernization continues, the PLA will get stronger. Once its equipment issues are fully resolved, it may not take long to develop mature doctrines.

"They've got a different ambition," Heath said, "and we've got to judge them by that."

https://www.businessinsider.com/chi...ving-but-us-has-more-combat-experience-2020-7
 
Practice doesn't make perfect. Practice makes permanent.

Just like some guy who trains only with punching bags, but then gets into the ring with a heavyweight.
 
The Americans have been curb stomping a bunch of little countries for decades but they have little experience in fighting with a country on the calibre of the PRC.

Its dangerous to hunt gorillas when you have been practicing on rabbits.
 
Yes, no one comes close to US combat experience, they've been waging wars, killing and bombing around the world for the good part of whole last century.

Odd you posted this story as it is filled with anti-China sarcasm..and that isn't about combat experience. None of you guys after reading the article picked up on it???
 
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Of course nothing beats real combat. This begs the question : is getting involved a war worth it to enhance the combat experience of troops? The answer is really simple, which is of course not. If the US had a time machine, I will guarantee the military would want to go back to a time before they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. And the actual combat experience of fighting a war in Iraq or Afghanistan is another question ... a war between China and the US would be completely different than fighting Iraqi insurgents. So that alone degrades the combat experience argument.
 
Ya combat experience against unarmed civilians...
 
Maybe this article is talking about the mental readiness to kill another human being, yes, US had long overcome this mental threshhold. Their citizens have been practicing it on the streets and school campus for centuries.
 
Of course nothing beats real combat. This begs the question : is getting involved a war worth it to enhance the combat experience of troops? The answer is really simple, which is of course not. If the US had a time machine, I will guarantee the military would want to go back to a time before they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. And the actual combat experience of fighting a war in Iraq or Afghanistan is another question ... a war between China and the US would be completely different than fighting Iraqi insurgents. So that alone degrades the combat experience argument.
By experience the author refers to quick decision making under stress, coming up with a likely solution or at least an acceptable one. This is what real time conflict provides case studies. I don't US Is a fool to equate Chinese military capabilities with that of Taliban or Insurgents. The author specifically mentions this in his ending statement "they have different ambitions and we need got to judge them by that".
 
China has new tech and innovation in it's military.

U.S military in many respects is facing mental stagnation.

But U.S does have more combat experience. They're correct there.
 
A death toll of 100 million figure has been documented by the authors D.E. Stannard, author of American Holocaust, D.E. Stannard has said, "The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away, the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world." . And apparently it didn't take long for the Europeans to get this genocide started.
 
China has new tech and innovation in it's military.

U.S military in many respects is facing mental stagnation.

But U.S does have more combat experience. They're correct there.
When " combat exerience" is becoming the only strong point that US can brag about, it clearly shows the changing dynamic of the future world.
 

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