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China to become global hub for electric cars

From all of the wonderful reads above, I understand that China is gradually turning, indeed, into a global EV center.

Particularly for Toyota, they scored below expectation on hybrid game in the US market.

If Japan in some way does not antagonize China, they may have good future in China market for their new try for EV. Let's hope geopolitics will continue to be favorable.

Korea's loss is Japan's gain, practically.
Wrong. It is impossible for Japan car companies to have good future in China market. EV is the only possibility for Chinese home car companies to surpass the old rivals from USA ,Germany and Japan. The Chinese government will make policies to make the possibility come true step by step, for now, the EV technology of China does not behind too much , our government will do their best to help home companies to catch up, so I can not see any bright future for Japanese EV car in China market. Germany is possible to have some room in China EV market.
 
Auto Makers Gear Up to Build Electric Cars in China

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SHANGHAI—The world’s top auto makers are gearing up to build electric cars in China, despite concerns about market demand and the potential their technology could be compromised in a market with weak safeguards for intellectual property.:blah::blah:

Companies including Volkswagen AG, General Motors Co. and Toyota Motor Corp. set out plans for electric-car production in China at this week’s Auto Shanghai vehicle expo, bowing to pressure from Beijing.

China is the world’s largest market for electric vehicles, or EVs, and auto makers who don’t set up production here could find themselves shut out of it.

Even so, some admit privately to being anxious about opaque regulations governing battery production and technology transfer, and misgivings about near-term demand for battery-powered cars.

GM, for example, confirmed it would build a Buick version of the plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt in China with its local partner, SAIC Motor. But Mark Reuss, GM’s product-development chief, sounded less than bullish when asked if there was genuine demand for EVs in China.

“I think there could be,” Mr. Reuss said.

Ultimately, the indispensability of China’s auto market meant it was “manifest destiny” that foreign auto makers would agree to set up electric-car plants in China sooner or later, said Bill Russo, Shanghai-based managing director at consultancy Gao Feng Advisory.

Tesla Inc., which didn’t attend Auto Shanghai, is now almost alone in having not yet lined up to confirm plans to manufacture electric cars in China. Even Toyota, which previously rejected the EV technology in favor of hybrids and fuel-cell vehicles, said it would ramp up EV development.

An estimated 350,000 EVs were sold here last year, roughly half the global total. Most analysts expect the market to grow especially quickly as China moves to reduce air pollution from gas-powered vehicles and offers incentives for consumers to buy EVs.

Auto makers are unsure about demand, however, fueling concerns that they may need to offer big discounts to move inventory. Automotive Foresight, a Shanghai-based research company, estimates 650,000 to 2 million electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles will be sold in China in 2020, out of an estimated 26 million car sales over all that year.

At the auto show, Toyota’s senior managing officer, Hiroji Onishi, told reporters he felt “skepticism [about] whether the consumers would still want to buy EVs” once subsidies disappear, which is expected to occur about 2020.

Industry caution isn’t Beijing’s concern, however. Starting next year auto makers expect they will be required to locally produce a specific number of electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles proportionate to their total output, according to foreign car firms involved in ongoing negotiations with the government.

Building cars locally makes it far easier to generate sales, since China slaps a 25% tariff on imported cars. But, profits from locally built cars must be shared with a Chinese joint venture partner.

Last month the European Chamber of Commerce in Beijing attacked Chinese industrial policies, questioning a new EV manufacturing law that calls for foreign auto makers to demonstrate their green-car technology before they can build them in China.

The law could just be a ploy to get foreign car makers to reveal technology secrets to their local Chinese partners, the chamber warned. China’s industry and information technology minister Miao Wei rejected that interpretation, and assured foreign manufacturers last month that they would not be compelled to hand over intellectual property.

Volkswagen China Chief Executive Jochem Heizmann said he was sufficiently reassured by Mr. Miao’s remarks to push ahead with an EV “offensive” involving the local production of eight plug-in hybrid or pure electric models, including a mass-market vehicle set to enter production next year through a new joint venture with Anhui Jianghuai Automobile Co. Mr. Heizmann said Volkswagen aims to sell 1.5 million green cars in China by 2025.

GM’s target is more modest, at 500,000 by 2025. Even so, GM’s commitment now contrasts with the reluctance voiced by then-chief executive Dan Akerson back in 2011. Mr. Akerson said “technology risks” meant GM would hold back from building the then-new Volt in China, even if it meant missing out on government incentives.

Batteries are among the technology risks that some auto makers say still remain in China. Chinese regulations require that EVs built here use batteries made in China, but as yet no foreign maker of EV batteries has received certification.

Earlier this month Ford Motor Co. said it, too, would start building EVs in China. The company aims to use batteries produced by Panasonic Corp., said Trevor Worthington, Ford’s vice president for product development in Asia. He dismissed concerns expressed privately by some auto makers that China might shut out foreign battery makers, saying that would contravene World Trade Organization rules.

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despite concerns about market demand and the potential their technology could be compromised in a market with weak safeguards for intellectual

Market demand will sure as hell be better than the market demand where the big mouth of MSM is located.

Intellectual property is in more danger in places where technology is backward, not in China, in which, battery technology, market, innovation and scale is second to none.

bowing to pressure from Beijing.

No wonder Trump calls the US media a neo-fascist big mouth with VERY FAKE NEWS. The foreign companies always have the option to leave China market and make in (somewhere else).

Western corporate fascist media is the last bastion of colonialism. Unless/until they are overthrown, colonial mindset will survive.
 
Market demand will sure as hell be better than the market demand where the big mouth of MSM is located.

Intellectual property is in more danger in places where technology is backward, not in China, in which, battery technology, market, innovation and scale is second to none.

I'm referring to the big picture rather than electric cars specifically but the reason why the West no longer enjoys a sizeable technological advantage even though it still claims to do so via its mouthpieces, is that it gets bogged down by endless patent wars, which stymie innovation and competition. This in turn is caused by loopholes in its patent system that allows both companies and individuals to file absurdly broad patents.

China does not suffer from this handicap.
 
I'm referring to the big picture rather than electric cars specifically but the reason why the West no longer enjoys a sizeable technological advantage even though it still claims to do so via its mouthpieces, is that it gets bogged down by endless patent wars, which stymie innovation and competition. This in turn is caused by loopholes in its patent system that allows both companies and individuals to file absurdly broad patents.

China does not suffer from this handicap.

There's already all-electric vehicles from BMW, Chevrolet, Fiat, Ford, Kia, Mercedes, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Smart, Volkswagen, and Tesla being sold in the US. They are also sold in many international markets. Many others also exists that are not sold here. Just because you do not see all these electric cars in your market does not mean they don't exist and you automagically have some kind of technological advantage.

Right now Chinese companies do not have much marketshare in global sales of electric cars.
 
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There's already all-electric vehicles from BMW, Chevrolet, Fiat, Ford, Kia, Mercedes, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Smart, Volkswagen, and Tesla being sold in the US. They are also sold in many international markets. Many others also exists that are not sold here. Just because you do not see all these electric cars in your market does not mean they don't exist and you automagically have some kind of technological advantage.

Right now Chinese companies do not have much marketshare in global sales of electric cars.


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Everybody is in the game and, judging by the growth in market share, BYD and many other China brands are just beginning to pick up.

next 5 years are going to be critical for this market segment. lucky for China, USA got a president who thinks global warming is a Chinese hoax. I personally don't believe he believes this lol, he just saying whatever the base want to hear to get elected. Notice how many positions he already flip flop.
 
next 5 years are going to be critical for this market segment. lucky for china, USA got a president who thinks global warming is a Chinese hoax. I personally don't believe he believes this lol, he just saying whatever the base want to hear to get elected. notice how many positions he already flip flop.

Besides, they just began to enjoy the shale revolution and Alaska is opening up more for exploration. No reason why US automakers would invest in expensive EV tech in the US.

Hence China is becoming the hub, including for foreign makers. Of course, China brands should dominate at least 80% of the home market in this segment.
 
APR 21, 2017 @ 11:25 AM
China Will Lead The Electric Car Revolution With More Than 10.5 Million Sales By 2025, Per Report

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An Audi e-tron Sportback Concept car is displayed at the Shanghai International Automobile Industry Exhibition on April 20, 2017. (Photo credit STR/AFP/Getty Images)

China will continue to lead the global market in electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids and by 2025 sales will quietly and cleanly zoom to 10.6 million a year, or 30% of its market, according to a report.

The report, from Germany’s University of Duisberg-Essen’s Center for Automotive Research (CAR), said last year 873,000 electric and plug-in hybrids were sold worldwide, with 507,000 in China. CAR groups these two categories together as New Electric Vehicles (NEV). This amounted to a market share of 2.1% in 2016, while in Germany, Europe’s largest market, 0.8% of sales were of NEVs.

Sales in Europe were about 2/3 of the China figure, and just over half in the U.S., according to EVvolumes.com.

CAR said 409,000 pure electric cars were sold in China last year. CAR expects Chinese electric car sales to soar not least because of subsidies and quotas from the China government. The German manufacturers will struggle to meet this competition.

“As early as 2020, we expect annual sales of 4 million NEVS in China. The state-planned electric car quotas will give important impetus. However market share will accelerate from 2020 and as a result, we predict a 30% market share of NEVs in China by 2025,” CAR said.

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A Volkswagen I.D. Crozz SUV concept vehicle stands on display at the Auto Shanghai 2017 vehicle show. Photographer: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg


CAR said China’s vehicle market will rise to 35.5 million by 2025, with electric cars accounting for 10.6 million. Overall sales will reach 28.5 million by 2020.

At the Shanghai Car Show, which is open to the public through April 28, car manufacturers acknowledged that China will lead the way with electric vehicles.

“We are convinced China will become the leading market for electromobility,” Volkswagen brand CEO Herbert Diess told Reuters in Shanghai.

“There is a clear (Chinese) government policy in favor of electromobility – high subsidies and an industrial framework in the form of joint venture companies which are being encouraged to invest in this technology,” Diess said, according to Reuters.

VW unveiled an electric SUV at the show, the I.D. CROZZ, which will go into production in 2020. The CROZZ is VW’s 3rd in its proposed family of purpose-built battery-powered vehicles. The four-wheel drive CROZZ has a 302 hp motor, a top speed of 112 mph and a claimed range of just over 300 miles. Its battery can be charged to 80% of its energy capacity in 30 minutes using a fast-charging system, VW said.

VW has a target of selling 1 million electric vehicles globally by 2025.

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The Jaguar I-Pace Electric Concept luxury SUV at the Los Angeles Auto Show. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg


The CAR report said China is shaking up the automotive world, while the German industry isn’t doing itself any favors by clinging to the mistaken belief diesels will still be contributing to fuel efficiency by 2030.

“China is changing the world, and even more the Auto world. The prayer like expressions (from the German industry) that the diesel will still have great importance after 2030, doesn’t make sense. Instead of making progress, as in the case of the Chinese in Shanghai, attempts are being made (by the Germans) to reject technical progress with reassuring talk,” CAR said.

Recently, sales of diesels in Europe have slowed suddenly because adverse publicity about their health threat suggests politicians may act to ban them from city centers, or make them unaffordable with swingeing taxes. Potential buyers worry that residual values may be under threat.

Still, there are many premium European electric cars on view in Shanghai, including the Jaguar i-Pace, the Audi E-Tron Quattro and a Volvo battery only car, all set for launch next year, CAR said.


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Hope that the charging infrastructure and battery technology develop in step.
Also, the development of smart grid utilizing solar, wind and hydro clean renewable energy.
I can't wait for EV to take over ICE.
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Why I am so enthusiastic regarding EV?

Perhaps, this video will explain.


The Electric Vehicle Disruption - End Of Oil by 2030
Tony Seba
Published on 4 Apr 2016

Tony Seba's Clean Disruption Keynote presentation at the Swedbank Nordic Energy Summit in Oslo, Norway, March 17th, 2016.

The keynote, based on the book 'Clean Disruption of Energy and Transportation' assert that four technology categories will disrupt energy and transportation by:
1- Batteries / Energy Storage
2- Electric Vehicles
3- Self-Driving Vehicles
4- Solar Energy

The outcome of the Clean Disruption is that by 2030
• All new vehicles will be electric.
• All new vehicles will be autonomous (self-driving).
• Oil will be obsolete.
• Coal, natural gas and nuclear will be obsolete.
• 80+ per cent of parking spaces will be obsolete.
• Individual car ownership will be obsolete.
• All new energy will be provided by solar (and wind)

Clean Disruption is a technology disruption. Just like digital cameras disrupted film and the web disrupted publishing, Clean Disruption is inevitable and it will be swift.

Copyright © 2016 by Tony Seba
 
Electric car will prevail and beat hydrogen fuel cell car to be the only dominant. Why?

Is power is already easily available even at home as electricity. Those who dont lives in high rise apartment but mansion or houses can even build a charging station from their grid and do daily charging at night after back from work without the need to go gasoline station to fill up their tank.

Yes, Electric car charging is slow but with improvement of technology. Charging time will become faster.

While hydrogen fuel cell is just like another petrol. Needing a gasoline station to be build to support such system.
 
China's quota threat charges up electric car market
by Julien GIRAULT - AFP on April 23, 2017, 1:30 pm

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China's quota threat charges up electric car market

Shanghai (AFP) - China's electric-car market is already the world's biggest, but a government proposal to introduce "new energy" vehicle quotas for automakers is further charging it up.

With the threat of the measure looming, major manufacturers at the annual auto show in Shanghai are announcing big plans to boost their electric vehicle (EV) offerings in China.

Volvo has confirmed it will introduce its first 100-percent electric car in China in 2019, while Ford will market its first hybrid vehicle in early 2018 and envisions 70 percent of all Ford cars available in China will have electric options by 2025.

Industry players say the push could have a profound impact on the green-car sector, as resulting economies of scale bring down the costs of producing and buying such cars.

Chinese sales of "new energy" vehicles jumped 53 percent last year to 507,000 units, fuelled by government incentives.

Overall, a world-leading 24.38 million passenger cars were sold in China in 2016.

"Right now, the (EV) market has been driven by regulatory and government (subsidies)," admitted David Schoch, Ford's Asia-Pacific president.

"But we do believe that in the very near term, as we scale up more batteries, the cost will come down."

China has offered incentives for EV purchases to help fight chronic air pollution, but has begun scaling back those inducements this year, causing sales to stumble.

Instead, the government intends to force the hand of manufacturers.

A proposal published in September could require "green" vehicle production quotas as early as 2018, under a complex system of earned credits.

- Gearing up -

Market leader Volkswagen sold four million cars in China in 2016 but only a few hundred were "green". The German manufacturer now plans to begin production of an electric car in China next year, in a joint venture with Chinese group JAC.

VW expects to sell around 400,000 new-energy vehicles in China in 2020, said Jochem Heizmann, CEO of Volkswagen China.

The quota plans have brought some pushback, with German Chancellor Angela Merkel lobbying Chinese Premier Li Keqiang over the issue.

Chinese Industry Minister Miao Wei said in March that a reduction or deferral of the quotas was possible.

But automakers plan to get ready.

"We are fully, with all forces, working to be able to fulfil this quota system already next year," Heizmann said.

General Motors says it plans to launch at least 10 new energy vehicles in China, targeting 150,000 in annual sales by 2020.

"We have a pipeline ... that is going to put us in a very good position from a fuel-economy requirement perspective" that will enable GM to meet any EV rules, said Matt Tsien, head of GM China.

- Irreversible trend -

The Chinese market is dominated by local manufacturers including sector pioneer BYD, which sold 96,000 EVs last year.

Despite the reduced subsidies, "the trend of electrification is irreversible," said BYD president Wang Chuanfu.

"We have reached the point where (economies of scale) in production will allow for more affordable prices," he said.

Most electric cars in China already sell for less than 250,000 yuan ($36,000) before subsidies, but they are typically models with a limited range.

"The market above 250,000 doesn't really exist yet," said Hubertus Troska, president of Mercedes China.

This has not stopped start-ups from challenging Tesla Motors in the limited niche for high-end EVs.

They include Qiantu, whose 700,000 yuan sports model will be marketed soon; Chehejia, founded by an entrepreneur dubbed the "Chinese Elon Musk"; and Nio, a brand by Chinese electric-car maker NextEV that has received investment from deep-pocketed Chinese IT giants Tencent and Lenovo.

"We feel that now in China, first- and second-tier cities have this need (for premium electric cars), but it is yet to be satisfied," NextEV founder William Li told AFP, while also promising an electric car for the US market in 2020.

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Electric shuttle bus made by CIMC Airport Facilities tested in Hebei

Source:Xinhua| 2017-04-26 21:52:16|Editor: Mengjie

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Staff members test an electric airport shuttle bus of China International Marine Containers (CIMC) Airport Facilities in Dachang Hui Autonomous County, north China's Hebei Province, April 26, 2017. With a capacity of more than 120 passengers and a range of more than 240 kilometers per charge, a 14-meter-long and 3-meter-wide electric shuttle bus made by the CIMC Airport Facilities rolled off the production line in Hebei Province on Wednesday. The model will be in operation at the Shijiazhuang Zhengding International Airport. (Xinhua/Wang Xiao)

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A staff member charges an electric airport shuttle bus of China International Marine Containers (CIMC) Airport Facilities in Dachang Hui Autonomous County, north China's Hebei Province, April 26, 2017. With a capacity of more than 120 passengers and a range of more than 240 kilometers per charge, a 14-meter-long and 3-meter-wide electric shuttle bus made by the CIMC Airport Facilities rolled off the production line in Hebei Province on Wednesday. The model will be in operation at the Shijiazhuang Zhengding International Airport. (Xinhua/Wang Xiao)

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Staff members take records of an electric airport shuttle bus of China International Marine Containers (CIMC) Airport Facilities in Dachang Hui Autonomous County, north China's Hebei Province, April 26, 2017. With a capacity of more than 120 passengers and a range of more than 240 kilometers per charge, a 14-meter-long and 3-meter-wide electric shuttle bus made by the CIMC Airport Facilities rolled off the production line in Hebei Province on Wednesday. The model will be in operation at the Shijiazhuang Zhengding International Airport. (Xinhua/Wang Xiao)

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Staff members test an electric airport shuttle bus of China International Marine Containers (CIMC) Airport Facilities in Dachang Hui Autonomous County, north China's Hebei Province, April 26, 2017. With a capacity of more than 120 passengers and a range of more than 240 kilometers per charge, a 14-meter-long and 3-meter-wide electric shuttle bus made by the CIMC Airport Facilities rolled off the production line in Hebei Province on Wednesday. The model will be in operation at the Shijiazhuang Zhengding International Airport. (Xinhua/Wang Xiao)

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Staff members take records of an electric airport shuttle bus of China International Marine Containers (CIMC) Airport Facilities in Dachang Hui Autonomous County, north China's Hebei Province, April 26, 2017. With a capacity of more than 120 passengers and a range of more than 240 kilometers per charge, a 14-meter-long and 3-meter-wide electric shuttle bus made by the CIMC Airport Facilities rolled off the production line in Hebei Province on Wednesday. The model will be in operation at the Shijiazhuang Zhengding International Airport. (Xinhua/Wang Xiao)

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