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China Overplayed its Hand in Chumur; PLA didn't anticipate India's swift counter build-up!

The PLA is testing India. How long it takes to get troops over there, from where, where the lines of communication go to and fro, how the Indian gov't works and whether its weak or strong minded in making decisions, etc.
 
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As the first signs of de-escalation appear in Chumur, it is now clear that China overplayed its hand by sending a disproportionate number of troops to intrude into India.

On Wednesday, the Peoples Liberation Army or PLA began sending a battalion-strong (1000 men) force to a location called 30 R in the Chumur sector, even as a flag meeting was on to try and resolve the original issue of transgression earlier this week at a point about two km away.

By intruding four to five km inside Indian territory with such a large force, the PLA perhaps hoped to intimidate the Indian Army. But the local commanders under 14 Corps based at Leh and the Northern Command swiftly deployed almost 1,500 troops to counter the Chinese intrusion, taking the PLA totally by surprise.

The eye ball to eye ball standoff soon made headlines, putting visiting Chinese president Xi Jinping under pressure during his talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

When PM Modi broached the subject at an informal dinner he was hosting for Mr Xi in Ahmedabad, the Chinese side realised that a local operation had suddenly become a bigger headache than they anticipated.

Preliminary assessment by India's national security managers suggests the PLA commanders did not anticipate India's swift counter build-up and firm stand during the two marathon flag meetings on Monday and Wednesday.

This was a change from previous occasions when the Indian side often appeared unsure of how to deal with intrusions and transgressions, as was evident during the three-week-long Depsang face off in April last year.

When the current crisis began in early September, the Chinese were taken aback by India's strong objection to a road it wanted to build in Chumur.

When the presence of a small force failed to deter local Indian commanders, China tried intimidation by sending a battalion-strong force.

But even that didn't work forcing President Xi Jinping to admit obliquely that incidents on the border happen because it is undemarcated; the trick he said was in preventing such incidents from having a large impact.

Unfortunately for him, a tactical blunder on the PLA's part at Chumur - with his full knowledge - has turned out to be a decision with large strategic implications, especially since the President was on a high-stakes visit to India.

China Overplayed its Hand in Chumur
 
Two can play the game. China repeated same move. Its just that India responded differently. Swift movement of additional troops and Tibetan protesters outside Hyderabad house would have sent a very sound signal.
 
"Retreat ..... indian army is coming.... bhago...." ... thats what they shouted......


found open mountainous border they entered..... seeing IA they.. retreat.... lol



where are the cheerleaderd.... i mean not the chinese.... but thier higher than ^^^ frnds???
 
We should have a sticky thread called The Retreating Chinese PLA?:welcome:

Please do. It will really humiliate China, I mean if anyone doubt India is better than China, this would prove the strength of the Indian arm forces. No tanks, no helicopters, no APCs, no problem.

All this is going to do really is make Chinese leadership realize the situation at the border and start to modernize these troops as fast as the ones not situated in the middle of nowhere, mean while, this "victory," will make India feel it can take China.

I didn't say slow down procurement, cause I don't understand how it can be any slower.

Also 1000 men is not a battalion. It's a regiment.
 
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Please do. It will really humiliate China, I mean if anyone doubt India is better than China, this would prove the strength of the Indian arm forces. No tanks, no helicopters, no APCs, no problem.

All this is going to do really is make Chinese leadership realize the situation at the border and start to modernize these troops as fast as the ones not situated in the middle of nowhere, mean while, this "victory," will make India feel it can take China.

I didn't say slow down procurement, cause I don't understand how it can be any slower.

Also 1000 men is not a battalion. It's a regiment.


Not all of the procurements are slow.
 
We should have a sticky thread called The Retreating Chinese PLA?:welcome:

And the non-chinese cheerleaders as well. they have nothing left in thier countries do only thing they do shouting for their master.

lol

BTW where are they now?
 
It has been a very humiliating situation all the time that we have been reactive not proactive to stop such intrusion.......
 
China is making grave mistake in such critical situation.
Friendly advice: Just learn from the mistake of Adolf Hitler...Make powerful nation around you as your friend not enemy.
 
Hame ungly karne ki aadat nahi hai
Par kab tak chup baithoge unko unki bhasha me answer to,de hi sakte hai.....hame bhi LAC paar karke china me tenthouse banake unko answer dena chahiye.......
 

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