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US aircraft carriers are no longer the ultimate deterrent amid new technology | Daily Mail Online

The Center for a New American Security says the US relies on old tactics
  • Those tactics make heavy use of aircraft carriers, which can be taken down with a combo of new weapons, tech and tactics deigned to trap carriers
  • These 'area denial' systems force carriers to choose between fighting at a distance, where they are less effective, or closing in and risking attack
  • 'Such an attack would be difficult - if not impossible - to defend against,' report warns
  • China is 'the pacing threat' because of its technological developments
By James Wilkinson For Daily Mail Online

Published: 11:42 EST, 23 February 2016 | Updated: 19:25 EST, 23 February 2016

An obsession with aircraft carriers may end the the United States' naval dominance if military leaders don't change their ways, a report warned today. It says China, Russia and other countries have 'increasingly lethal and precise' weapons and tactics that can destroy carriers, breaking the backbone of the Navy.

Aircraft carriers are at the core of the Navy's arsenal. Not only are the fearsome juggernauts incredibly powerful and difficult to take down, there are also many of them: ten in active service. That's the exact same number of active carriers that every other country in the world has, combined.

But reliance on the behemoths has made the navy complacent, and in serious danger of being taken down by new weapons and tactics displayed by other countries, according to Red Alert: The Growing Threat to U.S. Aircraft Carriers, a report released by bipartisan think-tank Center for a New American Security.

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Threatened: Aircraft carriers like the Harry S Truman (pictured) are the backbone of the US Navy, but other countries like China and Russia, have ways to disable or even annihilate carriers in combat, a report says

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Killer: This DF-21D missile, shown during a parade in Beijing last year, is said to be a 'carrier killer' and would be used as part of the 'area denial' tactics, which block off certain areas to carriers for fear of obliteration

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Deployed: China's HQ-9 missile launchers were identified in the report as being an area-denial threat, and were deployed onto a disputed island in the South China Sea this month

The core problem that the US Navy faces, the report says, is that other countries are perfecting 'area denial' methods of blocking off combat areas so that US carriers and their planes can't get close enough to fight effectively without suffering severe damage or even destruction.

They're doing that with newer aircraft, drone technology, submarines and even carrier-busting super missiles that have been developed in recent years. Last month, Iran showed off secret drone footage of the 18-year-old US carrier Harry S Truman.

The newest US carrier currently in active service is the nine-year-old George HW Bush. The oldest is the Nimitz, which took to the sea in 1975.

The US is currently constructing two more carriers, the Gerald R Ford and the John F Kennedy, which will be launched this year and in 2020, respectively. A third, the Enterprise, is scheduled for 2025.

But, says the report, the danger is more immediate. China is 'the pacing threat' right now, with two carrier-busting missiles - the DF-21D and DF-26 - that 'represent a significant threat to the carrier,' being able to take down ships and even reach Guam, a US territory about 2,000 miles away from the Chinese coast.

And Beijing showed willingness to set out areas of strong control around its borders with weaponized artificial islands last year, while placing HQ-9 anti-aircraft missiles - a type specifically identified in the report - on the disputed Woody Island in the South China Sea earlier this month.

That's especially dangerous to US carriers right now because current tactics see them sailing closer to battles than they used to, so that they can send out multiple short-term air attacks rather than relying on their long-distance weapons.

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Parade: This military parade, held by Beijing in commemoration of WWII, was a show of Chinese military might, with many missile launchers on display

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Growler: Russia deployed its SA-21 'Growler' anti-aircraft missiles to Syria last year, giving them coverage over the entire country and much of the eastern Mediterranean. Such weapons are essential for area denial

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Drone: The USS Harry S Truman was secretly filmed by an Iranian drone last month, with footage being broadcast on Iranian television


The new weapons owned by China and other countries, could be used along with submarines, drones and other armaments designed to restrict the movement of carriers and 'launch a saturation attack against the carrier from a variety of platforms and directions. Such an attack would be difficult - if not impossible - to defend against.'

Russia is also named as a threat in the report, which points out that it made much of the technology used by China, as is Iran. All three countries are noted to be building up arms that can 'place constraints' on US carrier operation.

In November last year, Russia deployed its high-tech SA-21 'Growler' anti-aircraft missiles to Syria, allowing them to target planes over the country and much of the eastern Mediterranean - exactly the kind of weapon that could be combined into an area-denial attack.Solutions given by the report include increasing the distance at which aircraft on the carrier can travel before fighting, shifting money away from carriers and towards submarines and other underwater vehicles, and focusing on future tech like the US Navy's railgun, which can fire shells at seven times speed of sound.

Regardless, says the report, the US needs to quit its obsession with carriers 'and explore innovative options for future operations and force structure.

'If the United States is to maintain its military superiority well into the future, it cannot afford to do otherwise.'
 
They aren't so new tech.
US has laser, railgun and some more.
They planned to put laser weapon onto F-35
 
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They aren't so new tech.
US has laser, railgun and some more.
They planned to put laser weapon onto F-35
Laser weapons as they are now, are still not suitable for intercepting incoming missiles. Especially ones approaching at Mach 5 or 6. It can only be used against drones, small boats and maybe some subsonic cruise missiles. They need to be applied to the same spot on the incoming target for quite some time before it can do anything and an ASBM at most will give the weapon 2 seconds for that before it hits.
 
Laser weapons as they are now, are still not suitable for intercepting incoming missiles. Especially ones approaching at Mach 5 or 6. It can only be used against drones, small boats and maybe some subsonic cruise missiles. They need to be applied to the same spot on the incoming target for quite some time before it can do anything and an ASBM at most will give the weapon 2 seconds for that before it hits.

laser powered weapon don't care Mach 5 or Mach 10 incoming, as long as it has enough energy.
100-150kW on the way, until 2020.
 
They aren't so new tech.
US has laser, railgun and some more.
They planned to put laser weapon onto F-35

You think China does not have "laser", "railgun" and "some more"?

We know, in advance, the US has plans to install lasers and railguns on to their military vessels, that is because they can power them. But a laser that is effective enough for real wartime use on a single engine f-35? Will it be enough to power it up along with the rest of the electronics? Last but not least, will the lasers work effectively on all weather conditions?
 
You think China does not have "laser", "railgun" and "some more"?

We know the US has plans to insta lasers and railguns on to their military vessels, that is because they can power them. But a laser that is effective enough for real wartime use on a single engine f-35? Will it be enough to power it up along with the rest of the electronics? Last but not least, will the lasers work effectively on all weather conditions?

1. The thread about how an aircraft carrier could defend. So HELLADS could help right NOW.
2. Yes as the plan it will. If they could fit the Laser weapon with enough power onto F-35 that's a game changer.

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You think China does not have "laser", "railgun" and "some more"?

We know, in advance, the US has plans to install lasers and railguns on to their military vessels, that is because they can power them. But a laser that is effective enough for real wartime use on a single engine f-35? Will it be enough to power it up along with the rest of the electronics? Last but not least, will the lasers work effectively on all weather conditions?

I'm sure the engineers will figure something out.

Laser weapons as they are now, are still not suitable for intercepting incoming missiles. Especially ones approaching at Mach 5 or 6. It can only be used against drones, small boats and maybe some subsonic cruise missiles. They need to be applied to the same spot on the incoming target for quite some time before it can do anything and an ASBM at most will give the weapon 2 seconds for that before it hits.

Lasers are becoming more potent as technology matures. Even other countries like Russia and China are developing them for its use. Lasers that can shoot down aircraft in almost an instant? Multiple lasers on a carrier battle group that can destroy multiple missiles in seconds?
 
1. The thread about how an aircraft carrier could defend. So HELLADS could help right NOW.

So how will its performance differ in various weather and climatic conditions? And will it work underwater?

2. Yes as the plan it will. If they could fit the Laser weapon with enough power onto F-35 that's a game changer.

As of now, they are talking about "concepts". They have not implemented it on the f-35 yet. The image you linked was that of a drone. But I will let that one slide, so assuming what you have linked was an f-35 with airborne laser system installed. Will that laser have 360 coverage? What if attacks comes from its blind spots? Will it be powerful enough to counter something coming at it at hypersonic speed? What about the impact of climatic and weather conditions?

I'm sure the engineers will figure something out.

Of course, I have no doubt about it. America has some of the finest engineers in the world. Questions are how and when?
 
So how will its performance differ in various weather and climatic conditions? And will it work underwater?
As of now, they are talking about "concepts". They have not implemented it on the f-35 yet. The image you linked was that of a drone. But I will let that one slide, so assuming what you have linked was an f-35 with airborne laser system installed. Will that laser have 360 coverage? What if attacks comes from its blind spots? Will it be powerful enough to counter something coming at it at hypersonic speed? What about the impact of climatic and weather conditions?

Sure. They didn't apply it so far.
The designers don't need our advices on its features, if you want, email your ideas to the developers.
 
Why not try it,so we can see if the statement holds?
In Nov.2011, DF21D hit the target ship Yuanwang 4 in a sea test trial, even without ammunition, the warhead of DF21D pierced through all layers of the ship's haul by its sheer kinetic force.

Yuanwang 4 tracking ship
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After the damage of a collision accident, Yuanwang 4 tracking ship became the target ship of DF21D trial and was disassembled in the following month
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china , iran , and russia need to take down US carriers simultaneously for any real effect , even if china and iran do , russia won't
 
In Nov.2011, DF21D hit the target ship Yuanwang 4 in a sea test trial, even without ammunition, the warhead of DF21D pierced through all layers of the ship's haul by its sheer kinetic force.

Yuanwang 4 tracking ship
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After the damage of a collision accident, Yuanwang 4 tracking ship became the target ship of DF21D trial and was disassembled in the following month
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Kinetic energy didn't sink it ?
Let see how a small projectile shoot by railgun at Mach 7 could pierce several thick steel plate.
DF-21D warhead should have much more kinetic energy at Mach 10+ with much heavier warhead
 
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Kinetic energy didn't sink it ?
According to the narratives, the 11000 ton ship was penetrated through by the war head, it didn't sink and was towed back to the shipyard.

China is also looking into equipping DF21 onto submarines, conventional or nuclear, to increase DF21D's mobility and survivability to counter us ac.

Chinese Navy Great Wall 201 conventional AIP Missiles-testing Submarines
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Type 032 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Type 032 submarine (NATO reporting name: Qing-class) is a class of diesel-electric submarine currently undergoing testing in China's People's Liberation Army Navy. It is said to be the world's largest conventional submarine, at a submerged displacement of 6,628 tonnes and is able to submerge for a maximum of 30 days.

Class overview

Name: Type 032
Operators:
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People's Liberation Army Navy
Preceded by: Type 039A (Yuan-class)
In commission: 2012
Completed: 1
Active: 1
General characteristics
Type: Experimental submarine
Displacement: 6,628 tonnes (submerged)
Length: 92.6 m
Beam: 10 m
Height: 17.2 m
Draft: 6.85 m
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 1 shaft, AIP
Speed: 14+ knots
Endurance: 30 days
Troops: 1 compartment for special forces
Complement: 88
Armament:
  • 1 × 650 mm, 1 x 533 mm torpedo tubes
  • 2 SLBM VLS and 4 Cruise missile VLS.[1]
 
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