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No... given boeing is just putting up an MRO plus facility (basically final seats, interior integration in china).

Pretty sure the flight certification will be done before the aircraft arrives in China too.

COMAC will definitely have to keep developing new aircraft and compete with the best in the world over time.
well, I hope so; as you might know, in the history of aviation, American did lots of dirty tricks, such as ARROW developed by Canada, that was the best fighter at that time, make the long story short, all the built ARROW was taken apart destroyed even the blueprints.
 
Expressing everything in the latter (so they can say 5 - 10 or X times of India) is a common ploy by the chinese trolls to chest thump. They normally dismiss PPP as lacking taking into account "qualitative"/"standards" components of goods/services. I read through even the ICP 2005 method recently...and there is an inherent and deep foundational accounting of this factor actually.
Chinese members should actually be the group with strongest reasons to advocate PPP, because by PPP, China already surpasses US to become world largest economy!

Share you a press conference article from China's National Bureau of Statistics. In early 2015, head of China National Bureau of Statistics joined a press conference. During the conference, a guy from FT asked the head a question about PPP GDP. The FT guy asked "By PPP GDP, China has surpassed US to become the top economy. What's your view here?"

The top Chinese official on GDP calculation gives a clear answer: "PPP overestimates China's GDP figure. We don't agree with the PPP result. PPP calculation has too many constraints and limitations. You can take PPP figures as a reference, but please don't be too serious about it. In general, China is still a developing country with very low per capita data. "

See? That's the attitude from CPC, an organization with the strongest reason to brag for the shinning PPP data.
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http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjsj/sjjd/201501/t20150120_671388.html
 
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The top Chinese official on GDP calculation gives a clear answer: "PPP overestimates China's GDP figure. We don't agree with the PPP result. PPP calculation has too many constraints and limitations. You can take PPP figures as a reference, but please don't be too serious about it. In general, China is still a developing country with very low per capita data. "
Well said, we are the country which should be promoting PPP as a preferred regime to gauge economy more than any other country.

Sadly, you see some incompetent country is so willing to get trapped in this ridiculous glorified shi*thole.

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Exactly my view.
I really appreciate National Bureau of Statistics does not fall into the FT-Establishment crap just to make people feel good.
The PPP basket is so problematic.
Under PPP, that we buy a TV in China and in Europe will be differently calculated though we people in different countries pay nearly the SAME.

Well, if those PPP advocate only look at food and local services, then let them do it, they will stay poor forever boasting how many pancakes they can have everyday.
 
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Well, if those PPP advocate only look at food and local services, then let them do it, they will stay poor forever.
my view: PPP only makes sense for simple services like hair cut, or breakfast. But how could PPP make sense when we talk about modern manufacturing industry?
 
my view: PPP only makes sense for simple services like hair cut, or breakfast. But how could PPP make sense when we talk about modern manufacturing industry?
Exactly.
I tend do use PPP on the city base, and only to have a sense of people's living standards.
I do not believe the overall PPP number for countries like China where local services are priced so differently everywhere.

In terms of manufacturing industry which is to produce internationally tradable goods, PPP is so hilarious.


Last time indian army bought some DJI drones to spy Pakistan.
I hope they could buy some upgraded versions released in 2017 using their PPP currency.
Cheers!
 
The Xian MA700 Medium-range Turboprop Regional Airliner

China is developing the next generation twin-engine, medium-range turboprop regional airliner Xian MA700.

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The Xian MA700 (MA for 新舟, "Modern Ark") is a twin-engine, medium-range turboprop airliner currently under development by Xi'an Aircraft Industrial Corporation of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).

A model of the aircraft was shown at the 2008 Zhuhai Airshow, it was said as capable of offering 78 seats in 4-abreast configuration.

By late 2015 there were 185 orders for the aircraft with purchase agreements with 11 customers including Bahrain EGA Group, Hybrid Aviation, Bhaggal Air Services, Segers Aero, Air Avenues, Joy Air, Okay Airways and Cambodia Bayon Airlines. The first prototype will be finally assembled in 2016, with a maiden flight in 2017 and certification scheduled for 2019. (Wiki)
 
China dominates Asian growth in Q2; fastest-growing major country market but Jakarta fends off Kunming for fastest-growing airport

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Our analysis of OAG data for 2017 Q2 indicates that growth is still extremely robust in China, despite the fact that the country’s biggest airport, Beijing Capital International Airport, is only growing by 3% because of capacity constraints. The city’s new airport, Beijing Daxing International Airport is currently set to open in 2019.

With Routes Asia taking place shortly in Okinawa, anna.aero this week looks at the Asian market comparing current data for 2017 Q2 with 2016 Q2. If anyone was in any doubt as to whether the Chinese market might not be growing as quickly as in the recent past, our analysis of schedule data suggests it is. Not only is China home to the biggest air travel market in Asia, it is also the fastest-growing among the major markets and its airports will welcome more than four times as many additional seats in the second quarter as any other country market in the region. In addition, eight of the top 15 airlines in the region are based in China, and eight of the top 15 airports for additional seat capacity are also in China.

Growth in airport seat capacity across all countries in Asia is currently estimated to be 10% for the second quarter of 2017, which basically covers the first three months of the S17 season. China’s 14% growth is above average, but double-digit growth is also expected in India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines and Vietnam. Japan’s modest 2% growth is the lowest among the major nations in the region with the exception of Taiwan, which is reporting a 2% drop in capacity partly as a result of the demise of TransAsia Airlines and its low-cost subsidiary V Air. Some smaller country markets such as Myanmar (down 2%), Nepal (down 5%) and Bangladesh (down 11%) are also showing declines in Q2 seat capacity, but some of this may be down to some of the airlines in those countries not yet having submitted complete data for all of the period being examined.

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Source: OAG Schedules Analyser for 2016 Q2 and 2017 Q2.

China Southern Airlines maintains lead over China Eastern Airlines

Looking at the biggest airlines (by seat capacity) in Asia in Q2 reveals that China’s ‘big 3’ take the top three positions. There are five other Chinese carriers (highlighted in bright green) in the next 12 positions, with Xiamen Airlines also the fastest-growing of the top 15 with an increase in seat capacity of 42% compared with 2016 Q2. Japan’s two biggest carriers rank fourth and seventh with both barely registering any growth. Separating them are India’s IndiGo (growing by 17%) and Indonesia’s Lion Air. Other slow-growing non-Chinese carriers in the top 15 are Garuda Indonesia (11th, +2%), Korean Air (13th, +1%) and AirAsia (15th, +2%).

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Source: OAG Schedules Analyser for 2016 Q2 and 2017 Q2.

Just missing out on a place in the top 15 are Jet Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Air India, Cathay Pacific Airways and Thai Airways. Of these Jet Airways is the fastest growing at 11% while Cathay Pacific’s Q2 capacity is down 3%.

[I wonder where's the Singapore Airlines within this chart :D why it is not mentioned]

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Xiamen Airlines is the fastest-growing carrier among the top 15 in Asia according to our analysis of OAG data. Its growing long-haul network includes Seattle-Tacoma, which was launched on 26 September 2016.

Jakarta tops Asian airport growth rankings in Q2

Looking at the region’s airports we have identified those airports registering the biggest increase in available seat capacity. Top of this list is Jakarta’s main airport which will handle over 400,000 additional seats per month in Q2. Not far behind is Kunming, one of eight Chinese airports in the top 15 (highlighted in bright green), which in percentage terms is actually growing more quickly (+20%) than the Indonesian hub (+13%). The six other non-Chinese airports are spread across several countries with two in India (Delhi and Kolkata) and one each in Indonesia (Denpasar), Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur), South Korea (Seoul Incheon) and Vietnam (Hanoi). Of these top 15 airports for capacity growth, the fastest-growing in percentage terms are Zhengzhou and Haikou in China (both +29%) followed by Tianjin (+28%) and Kolkata (+25%).

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Source: OAG Schedules Analyser for 2016 Q2 and 2017 Q2.

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On 24 November 2016 China Eastern Airline began non-stop flights between Kunming (host of Routes Asia in 2015) and Sydney. Kunming’s 2017 Q2 capacity has grown by over one million seats since the same period last year, the second most (after Jakarta) of any Asian airport.

Anna Aero - 15 Mar 2017 // Star Feature
http://www.anna.aero/2017/03/15/china-dominates-asian-q2-growth/
 
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Is Singapore airlines one of the safest in the world?
Not sure, though I guess so. Quality yet premium airlines, yes... seat capacity and loads, dunno.

China plans to add 136 airports by 2025

Xinhua | Updated: 2017-03-16 09:45

BEIJING - China aims to build 136 new airports by 2025, government sources said on Wednesday.

The facilities could become a world-class airport complex of international and regional transport hubs, according to a plan by the National Development and Reform Commission and the Civil Aviation Administration of China.

China began an airport construction boom in 2008 when the government began spending on infrastructure to offset the global financial crisis.

Service improved remarkably, but current airports are far from adequate and are unevenly located throughout the country.

By the end of 2015, China has 207 civil airports and is expected to have around 260 by 2020.

In 2015, China's airports handled 910 million passengers and are expected to deal with 1.5 billion passengers in 2020 and 2.2 billion in 2025.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-03/16/content_28576678.htm
 
China's first large passenger aircraft C919 to make maiden flight soon

(CRI Online) 10:19, March 12, 2017

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A C919 aircraft, the first Chinese-made large passenger plane, has entered
the preparation phase for its maiden flight. [Photo: COMAC]

The C919 plane was developed by the Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China (COMAC). It is the first domestically-produced large passenger aircraft based on the latest international aviation standards.

The eyes of the world have been on the C919 since work on its development got underway in 2008. It's reported that, as of the end of last year, the aircraft already had 570 orders from 21 foreign and domestic customers.

C919 to make maiden flight in the first half of 2017

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The C919 passenger jet was unveiled as it was rolled out from
the final assembly line in Shanghai on Nov 2, 2015. [Photo: COMAC]

On November 2, 2015, the first C919 rolled off the production line in Shanghai. Since then, the plane has been undergoing a series of tests to lay a solid foundation for its maiden flight, according to Wu Guanghui, chief designer of C919 and COMAC deputy general manager.

However, the exact date for the C919's maiden flight has not been decided as yet. "I can only say that C919 has entered the stage of preparation for its first flight. But it still needs many tests including the 'sliding' emergency control tests, and after that a review meeting will be held before the plane's maiden flight," said Wu.

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The C919 passenger jet was unveiled as it was rolled out from
the final assembly line in Shanghai on Nov 2, 2015. [Photo: COMAC]

Meanwhile, it's been reported that the work of assembling the second and the third C919 has already started. According to staff members at COMAC, crew members of the C919 are familiarizing themselves with the control systems of the plane.

Comparisons between C919, Airbus 320 and Boeing 737

The C919, with over 150 seats and standard range of 4,075 kilometers, is expected to compete with the updated Airbus 320 and Boeing's new-generation 737, which currently dominate the market.

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A C919 aircraft, the first Chinese-made large passenger plane, has entered
the preparation phase for its maiden flight. [Photo: COMAC]

The following are some of the performance statistics about the three passenger planes.

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A table shows the performance statistics of Airbus A320, Boeing 737 and C919. [Photo: Chinaplus]

Based on the statistics above the gaps in performance between C919 and other popular passenger planes across the world are pretty small. Despite this, aviation industry insiders say the biggest question about the C919 is its safety, and more importantly, if safety problems can be resolved in time. A more sophisticated problem-solving mechanism will be needed after the successful maiden flight of the C919, experts added.

China's pursuit of its aircraft dream

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An ARJ21-700 aircraft run by the Chengdu Airlines. [Photo: COMAC]

China developed its first large passenger aircraft, the Y-10, a four-engine narrow-body jet airliner in the 1970s. The plane, which could seat 149 passengers in economy, had a successful test flight on Sept. 26, 1980. Unfortunately, the project was canceled in 1985 for viability and budgetary reasons.

China resumed the pursuit of its aircraft dream in 2008 when COMAC produced the ARJ21-700 regional jet, China's first airliner independently designed in accordance with international standards.

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An ARJ21-700 aircraft run by the Chengdu Airlines. [Photo: COMAC]

The delivery of the first ARJ21 to Chengdu Airlines for commercial operation on June 28, 2016, was a milestone for the Chinese aviation industry. So far, there are two ARJ21-700 jets in commercial operation between Shanghai and southwest China's Chengdu.

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A C919 aircraft, the first Chinese-made large passenger plane, has entered
the preparation phase for its maiden flight. [Photo: COMAC]

As for the C919, Wu Guanghui said he has great confidence in it and is willing to be the first person aboard.

http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/0312/c90000-9189254.html
 
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According to Safran, the 1st flight of the C919 could take place in APRIL 2017.

"To paraphrase Philippe Petitcolin, the CEO of Safran, the first flight of the C919 has never been so close. From the very beginning of the year, following the transfer of the first prototype to the center of flight testing, COMAC had indicated that the inaugural flight would take place in the first half of the year - after having missed its end date of 2016. According to Safran , Which works in particular on the motorization of the aircraft, it could take place as early as April." - Source

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well, I hope so; as you might know, in the history of aviation, American did lots of dirty tricks, such as ARROW developed by Canada, that was the best fighter at that time, make the long story short, all the built ARROW was taken apart destroyed even the blueprints.

I blame Canada more than the US for that actually.

The Avro Arrow would also have been pretty much a one-trick pony....its somewhat over-rated.

It was not a fighter btw, it was a high speed interceptor (and back then there was a clear difference).
 
my view: PPP only makes sense for simple services like hair cut, or breakfast. But how could PPP make sense when we talk about modern manufacturing industry?

You have not read one ICP paper on the matter obviously.

No it doesn't only make sense for only simple types of good or service. If you have read the ranking matrix and composition according to standards and quality levels the ICP uses, you would know there are effective multiplier levels...and ultimately a consumption basket is also determined to apply these to.

Any Chinese govt official can say they dont fully agree with the basket being used. The earlier complaint was the price levels were only from cities (and that got rectified in ICP 2011). But the point is this kind of asserted extrapolation extends to nominal exchange rate at an even larger scale (so the same logic creates an even bigger error by using nominal for cross country comparisons especially those that have relatively more insulation and lower permeability of the USD).

Extrapolating goods and services patterning (both composition and price levels) of trade to the rest of the economy is of much limited utility compared to PPP....because that is an extrapolation of say 10 - 20% of an economy to 100%....whereas PPP from the get go takes no such snapshot extrapolation of that level. At most you can make issue with its sampling rates, basket composition survey accuracy and quality strata band resolution....but they are nowhere close to a level of 5 for extrapolation like nominal exchange rate. The assumption (of nominal USD) only really works for highly USD transparent countries that are heavily integrated with the world economy (through trade, USD reserve holdings etc).

Hence why not one social metric of note uses nominal per capita, but PPP. Of course as a country develops further and further, the discrepancy between PPP and nominal will reduce as well....so officials pointing out which they prefer and which they think overestimate/underestimate have every right to do so. It does not mean they have anywhere close to the authority of truth on PPP as applied to other countries. If they think their PPP in their country is overestimated, they can supply better information to the ICP then.
 
Currently, China is developing ARJ-21 and C919, with this new venture, will COMAC stop further development for new airplanes? that is what I am worried about!

Nope- they have a large domestic market. For a while the local jets will be focussed on that.

@Nilgiri
Where does the Nagpur Boeing Tata facility fit in ?
Have a friend working their and they are mfg some actual plane parts rather than the linen seats chinese plant will outfit.
2ndly what does this mean for the small passanger jet being mfd by the chinese ?
Is this a thumbs down for it even though that plane is sourcing most of its critical parts from non chinese sources.

'pieces', it's not a facility for technology integration

All those products we discuss about in this forum are mostly trade goods, like drones, computers, cars, phones, trains and planes.

Why you people r so into PPP? We r not talking about the price of newspaper and apples.

The regime they use to gauge PPP is so problematic, especially for big countries like China where non tradable goods and services have huge price differences in different provinces.


I am not delusional to use PPP to make my country look too good.

We r not like Supa Powans who always find excuses for their own incompetence.

I am really tired of their behavior in this forum.

everything you said is off the mark.

Capital expenditure on imports (both private and govt) and exports should be looked at in nominal currency. All other domestic expenditure should be looked at in PPP. Day to day consumer spending is a HUGE part of the economy. Taking haircut, catching a bus to work, buying a toilet cleaner and buying a burger together will be several hundred times what the drone industry represents.

In any case for a large part of Chinese exports (soft toys, Christmas decoration, Trump masks etc.) neither PPP not Nominal can be used as an accurate measure. A lot of this is sold by weight in shipping rather than as price per unit.
 
I am always amazed by Trump supporters' ignorance and how RSSers justify their own incompetence using the glorious PPP.
It wasn't too long ago in the other Asian section, some superpowa was cheering when they said Boeing was going to invest in their country making this country a maintenance hub for all Boeing airplanes. Now they're trolling here because this news is hurting their pride.

my view: PPP only makes sense for simple services like hair cut, or breakfast. But how could PPP make sense when we talk about modern manufacturing industry?
PPP only make sense if you're a supapowa and you want to make fun of Pakistan's economy or chest thump.
 

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