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Brightline Orlando Station is now Open!

Diesel train? What era are we living in, even Indians have electrified trains. Lolololol

Btw, i heard one guy died on the inaugural trip and 99 ppl died to date on that line before the high speed upgrade. CNN did not even talk about it it, if it was in China, it would have been front page news.


Apparently it already had a victim in the first day.

In a few years time, it will end up like the NY subway.
 

Arriving Now: Fast Passenger Trains From Miami to Orlando​

Brightline will make the trip in three and a half hours, with round-trip tickets starting at $158.


The fastest train in the country outside of the Northeast began service between Miami and Orlando on Friday, connecting two major cities in car-loving Florida and testing whether private passenger rail can thrive in the United States.

Brightline will make the trip in three and a half hours, about 30 minutes faster than the average car ride, reaching speeds of 125 miles per hour. Tickets from Miami to Orlando start at $158 round trip for business class and $298 for first class, with discounts for families and larger groups.

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Brightline became the nation’s first private passenger rail to launch in a century when it started its service between Miami and West Palm Beach, where the company’s trains do not reach such high speeds, in 2018.

If Brightline proves profitable in Florida, it could represent a turning point for American passenger rail. The last private intercity passenger train — the Rio Grande Zephyr, which connected Denver and Salt Lake City — shut down four decades ago. Since then, domestic rail travel has mainly been limited to Amtrak, the publicly funded but privately operated corporation, and a smattering of regional commuter and transit lines.

“This is an extraordinary development in U.S. transportation,” said Joseph P. Schwieterman, a professor at DePaul University, referring to Brightline’s rise. Mr. Schwieterman also wrote “When the Railroad Leaves Town,” a book about the decline of American railroads.
The company’s success in the state has been marred by a striking number of pedestrian fatalities on its tracks that continued even as one of its neon-colored trains made the maiden trip to Orlando on Friday morning. A train traveling southbound from West Palm Beach killed a pedestrian on the tracks while the Orlando-bound train made its way north, underscoring questions about the safety of residents near the rail line. Brightline trains have the highest death rate in the U.S., according to an ongoing Associated Press analysis.

Ninety-eight people have been killed by Brightline trains since 2019, according to The A.P. Most of the deaths have been suicides, drivers going through crossing gates or pedestrians running across the tracks. A spokesman for the Delray Beach Police Department said that the death on Friday appeared to be a suicide.

“We have made tremendous investments in the safety of the corridor,” P. Michael Reininger, Brightline’s chief executive, said aboard the maiden train, the Brightpink, whose passengers could see police investigators collecting evidence on the southbound tracks as it slowed in Delray Beach. “We’ve worked really hard in terms of outreach to make sure that the local communities are aware of our train service coming. We work with local law enforcement.”

Passenger rail was introduced in the United States two centuries ago and survived several economic and national crises. But rising competition from airlines and highways after World War II devastated the industry. By 1970, railroads were in such dire straits that the federal government created Amtrak to take over passenger rail, allowing the industry to focus on freight.

Amtrak has crushed the competition for travel in the Northeast Corridor that connects Washington, New York and Boston. When it launched its high-speed Acela line along that stretch in 2000, only about 37 percent of people traveling between New York and Washington made the trip by rail. That share grew to 83 percent by the 2021 fiscal year.

More than a decade ago, Florida considered the possibility of high-speed rail between Tampa and Orlando, when the Obama administration offered $2.4 billion for the project. But then-Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican, rejected the funds in 2011, saying the rail would be too expensive for the state to operate.

Brightline received no federal grants for construction but did get billions of dollars in investment through tax-exempt bonds. Its service could eventually stretch to Tampa and get new stations along Florida’s Atlantic Coast, Mr. Reininger said.

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This year, Brightline submitted an application for a $3.75 billion federal grant to help it build an ambitious $12 billion electric high-speed railroad from Las Vegas to Southern California. Brightline says it has completed the first, most difficult phase of that project, which includes completing environmental reviews and securing right of way, most of it along a highway median.
Construction is set to begin before the end of the year, with the aim of having the train running in time for the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles.

For the company, the true test of its business will be whether it can attract enough passengers to turn a profit.
Its Florida service is decidedly upscale: leather seats, premium lounges and gleaming stations that look more like corporate lobbies than mass transit hubs. The company sprays a citrus fragrance in its trains and stations that, according to the perfumer, has “notes of grapefruit, orange, mandarin, lemongrass, white jasmine and musks.”

“When I think of commuter trains into New York, this is not it,” quipped Mayor Troy McDonald of Stuart, a city north of West Palm Beach.
Brightline’s service between Miami and West Palm Beach has so far appealed to both tourists and business types — especially lawyers, real estate agents and medical providers who work in several Florida cities. Now that there is service to Orlando, Patrick Goddard, the Brightline president, said he expects leisure travelers will make up 60 percent of passengers, including international travelers more comfortable with trains than rental cars.


Because Florida’s public transit is patchy at best, the company has partnered with Uber and shuttle services to get people from train stations to where they need to go, including theme parks and sporting events.

But the price is too high for many commuters, said Mark Merwitzer, policy manager for Transit Alliance Miami, a nonprofit advocacy group.
“Taxpayers should have cheaper rides than, say, someone who’s visiting from another part of the country or who’s here on vacation,” he said. “There’s so many people who could really use it as a commuter rail.”

Because of the pandemic, Brightline paused service throughout most of 2020 and 2021. It carried more than 1.2 million passengers last year but also reported a $260 million loss, driven by start-up and development costs, according to a financial disclosure. So far this year, Brightline has already carried more passengers than in 2022 and has collected over $38 million in revenue, more than double what it earned over the same period last year.

Experts credit its successful start to factors including support from local officials, lucrative development of the real estate surrounding the company’s stations, booming tourism, robust population growth and persistent highway congestion. With the Everglades to the west and the Atlantic Ocean to the east, there is also limited ability to expand existing roadways along a substantial stretch of Brightline’s route.

But perhaps the most important reason behind the company’s success so far, experts and Brightline officials said, is that it was able to establish itself mostly on an existing freight railroad, the same one that put Florida on the map more than a century ago. Because of that, Brightline was able to avoid the perilous task of cobbling together a right of way over hundreds of miles.

“That is the essential ingredient to build this,” said Wes Edens, the co-founder of Fortress Investment Group, the private equity firm that owns Brightline.
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Fortress bought that freight railroad in 2007, and a few years later, Mr. Edens decided to explore starting a passenger rail company, inspired by a book about the freight railroad built by the industrialist Henry Flagler from Jacksonville to Key West. That railroad also carried passengers for a period after its founding.

Brightline believes that within a few years it will be able to serve about eight million passengers annually along the Miami-to-Orlando corridor, generating hundreds of millions of dollars in annual revenue.

On Friday, the Brightpink arriving from Miami notably sped up on the final stretch of track from Cocoa to Orlando, where trains can go fastest. Among the passengers on a later train to Miami were Pam and Jeff Landry of Tampa, who bought tickets in advance to ride Brightline on the first day of the service from Orlando.

“We love trains,” said Ms. Landry, 59, as she cuddled the couple’s year-old mini Dachshund, Sedona. “We rode them all over Europe.”
Carmen Zarhi and Jorge Andújar, tourists from Chile who spent five days in Orlando, had to make a cruise departing from South Florida. They booked their tickets to Fort Lauderdale two weeks ago, unaware that the service would not have existed had they tried to take it even a day earlier.
“We did not rent a car,” Ms. Zarhi, 30, said in Spanish. “The train was ideal.”

Ridiculous?
Why would someone prefer it if it's so slow?

They couldn't get to 200 miles an hour? Which should have been the goal
 

Brightline to double Orlando train service to 30 each day​

Additional trains begin Monday
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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Brightline announced Tuesday that train service between Miami and Orlando will double to 30 trips daily starting Monday, just two weeks after extending service.

That means there will be 15 trains in each direction up to Orlando. The current number is eight each way.

The first train leaves Miami for Orlando at 6:41 a.m., arriving at 10:19 a.m. with the last train leaving Miami for Orlando at 9:41 p.m. Additional early morning and late-night trains will operate between Brightline's five South Florida stations.

The first train leaves Orlando at 4:38 a.m., arriving into Miami at 8:11 a.m. The final train leaves Orlando at 8:54 p.m.

The company also has stops in Aventura, Fort Lauderdale, Boca Raton and West Palm Beach.

Before the extension to Orlando on Sept. 22, service only went to West Palm Beach.

Construction involved laying 170 miles of new track and two million spikes and bolts, along with building the new Orlando station. There are now 235 miles of track between Miami and Orlando.

Trips from Miami to Orlando last about three and a half hours at speeds up to 125 mph. Travel from West Palm Beach to Orlando will take about two hours.

A one-way ticket between Miami and Orlando starts at $79 for adults, and $39 for children.

 
I mean forget Station infra in China (which the US sadly is so far behind from), why don't they at least come up at least to Bangladesh standards and build something usable?

This is in a fourth tier seaside resort town of Cox's Bazaar (CXB), Bangladesh and serves far lower number of passengers than Brightline.

Some day we in Bangladesh hope that we can approach Chinese standards, especially those of Bullet trains and Guangzhou Station (more like a megaplex).


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I mean forget Station infra in China (which the US sadly is so far behind from), why don't they at least come up at least to Bangladesh standards and build something usable?

This is in a fourth tier seaside resort town of Cox's Bazaar (CXB), Bangladesh and serves far lower number of passengers than Brightline.

Some day we in Bangladesh hope that we can approach Chinese standards, especially those of Bullet trains and Guangzhou Station (more like a megaplex).


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Maybe because the US is literally 66 times larger than Bangladesh. The US is a huge country where population density is not high enough for high-speed railways. It’s like me asking you why Bangladesh doesn’t have as many airports (almost 6000) as the US.

Edit: Furthermore, 90% of China’s population lives in the eastern part of the country, where population density is huge. Why doesn’t China build high-speed railways in the west along the border with Kazakhstan? Perhaps because there simply aren’t enough people there?

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True, they repeatedly argued that US doesn't need HSR in PDF for years, but suddenly got so excited when having a sub standard one.

How is this HSR? This is a 200km train, it is not considered HSR.. It doesn't cost anywhere near what HSR costs to build and maintain and will be profitable, unlike 90% of Chinese HSR network which is $1 trillion in debt. No one has ever said US doesn't need railway...they have the largest railway network in the world, the debate has always been about HSR.
 
Edit: Furthermore, 90% of China’s population lives in the eastern part of the country, where population density is huge. Why doesn’t China build high-speed railways in the west along the border with Kazakhstan? Perhaps because there simply aren’t enough people there?
China does have HSR in northern Xinjiang near Kazakhstan and southern Tibet along the border with India, don't try so hard to show your ignorance here.
 
China does have HSR in northern Xinjiang near Kazakhstan and southern Tibet along the border with India, don't try so hard to show your ignorance here.
But there's only one track. My question is, why doesn't China build an entire system on the border with Kazakhstan? Just as they did for the eastern part of the country? Is it because there aren't enough people on the other side? I think you understand my point (even though you slow). If the US wanted to build a high-speed rail system, they would need at least 2 billion people. Don't forget that the US is significantly larger in terms of land area than China. The US stretches from the West to the East, whereas 90% of China's population is concentrated in the East. In reality, the US is almost twice the size of China because living conditions are suitable throughout the entire US. China has vast mountainous regions and that enormous desert where living conditions are unsuitable. My point is that if the US wanted to build high-speed railways across the entire country, they would need at least 2 billion people (probably more). The only other option is to put all 400 million people into one state and build the high-speed rail system there, as population density would be much higher.
 
Maybe because the US is literally 66 times larger than Bangladesh. The US is a huge country where population density is not high enough for high-speed railways. It’s like me asking you why Bangladesh doesn’t have as many airports (almost 6000) as the US.

Edit: Furthermore, 90% of China’s population lives in the eastern part of the country, where population density is huge. Why doesn’t China build high-speed railways in the west along the border with Kazakhstan? Perhaps because there simply aren’t enough people there?

I was measuring train station development, not Bullet trains.

Meaning if Bangladesh with a per capita GDP of one tenth or lower can build a station like this in a 4th tier city, what is stopping the US?

If the US is 66 times larger, shouldn't the US care more about public transport than Bangladesh? You can have one train every two days and then increase frequency as users/traffic increases.

Low population density is not the ONLY factor - wealth and fare-affordability for bullet trains is also a factor.

How do you figure lower pop. density is the reason for not having enough high speed railways when people can afford airfare just fine? Japan was not even similarly wealthy like the US and had plenty of bullet trains in the 1960's.

No one is d*ck measuring with the US but in Bangladesh they ran jet service for 300 mile hops starting in the early seventies (with meals/drinks), they still do. Sometimes B777s are used for these short hops nowadays. No dearth of passengers, though maybe only 10% of the population can barely afford airfares. There are 26 larger airports (not STOL ports) available in Bangladesh capable of servicing B737s within the 50,000 sq. mile area. Wisconsin (with a similar area like Bangladesh) has eight.

This definitely makes the case for Bullet trains in Bangladesh. Most of the new railway lines are being built by the Chinese for us (CREC). The lines are superelevated, ballast less, 300 KMPH ready and are on viaducts.

Of course Bangladesh is the size of Wisconsin. And has 170 Million people - half of the population of the US. But as one can guess, only a few can afford airfares or bullet train fares. Yet we are planning Bullet trains, Indonesia already has a working line. And I won't even mention China.

You are saying it all depends on number of people, but airfare or bullet train-fare affordability is also a factor. Lots of people in Wisconsin or generally in the US can afford airfares and of course bullet train fares, So why no bullet trains?

All interesting facts to consider.
 
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I was measuring train station development, not Bullet trains.

Meaning if Bangladesh with a per capita GDP of one tenth or lower can build a station like this in a 4th tier city, what is stopping the US?

If the US is 66 times larger, shouldn't the US care more about public transport than Bangladesh? You can have one train every two days and then increase frequency as users/traffic increases.

Low population density is not the ONLY factor - wealth and fare-affordability for bullet trains is also a factor.

How do you figure lower pop. density is the reason for not having enough high speed railways when people can afford airfare just fine? Japan was not even similarly wealthy like the US and had plenty of bullet trains in the 1960's.

No one is d*ck measuring with the US but in Bangladesh they ran jet service for 300 mile hops starting in the early seventies (with meals/drinks), they still do. Sometimes B777s are used for these short hops nowadays. No dearth of passengers, though maybe only 10% of the population can barely afford airfares. There are 26 larger airports (not STOL ports) available in Bangladesh capable of servicing B737s within the 50,000 sq. mile area. Wisconsin (with a similar area like Bangladesh) has eight.

This definitely makes the case for Bullet trains in Bangladesh. Most of the new railway lines are being built by the Chinese for us (CREC). The lines are superelevated, ballast less, 300 KMPH ready and are on viaducts.

Of course Bangladesh is the size of Wisconsin. And has 170 Million people - half of the population of the US. But as one can guess, only a few can afford airfares or bullet train fares. Yet we are planning Bullet trains, Indonesia already has a working line. And I won't even mention China.

You are saying it all depends on number of people, but airfare or bullet train-fare affordability is also a factor. Lots of people in Wisconsin or generally in the US can afford airfares and of course bullet train fares, So why no bullet trains?

All interesting facts to consider.
Who says the US doesn't care about public transportation? Once again, the US is a vast country, so the primary focus is on passenger airplanes because the distances between states are simply too great. It's logical that if population density is low and the distances between major cities are large, it's not cost-effective to build high-speed railways.

High-speed railways require high population density and large cities. Japan is a poor example and doesn't align with your views. Japan is 26 times smaller than the US but still has only about three times fewer people than the US In other words, population density in Japan is significantly higher than in the U.S.

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Tokyo alone has nearly 40 million people, and that's where Japan has its high-speed railways. It's not a coincidence! Tell me, how come Australia doesn't have high-speed railways? If you argue that population density and the size of the country don't affect it all, consider this: if you want to travel from one end of Australia to the other (about 4000 kilometers), will you build a high-speed railway across the entire country, or will you simply hop on a plane and arrive at the other end in about 5 hours? Don't be ridiculous.
 
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Why doesn’t China build high-speed railways in the west along the border with Kazakhstan? Perhaps because there simply aren’t enough people there?
China does have HSR in northern Xinjiang near Kazakhstan and southern Tibet along the border with India, don't try so hard to show your ignorance here.
 
China does have HSR in northern Xinjiang near Kazakhstan and southern Tibet along the border with India, don't try so hard to show your ignorance here.
You've already written that, why did you copy your previous comment? Stupid CCP bot.
 
Most towns and cities this bullet train goes have a population only around 20,000.


You've already written that, why did you copy your previous comment? Stupid CCP bot.
You stupid liar being caught lying redhandedly.
 
Most towns and cities this bullet train goes have a population only around 20,000.



You stupid liar being caught lying redhandedly.
Look at comment #22 and compare it to comment #26. Dumb son of a bitch lol
 

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