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Boeing awards 777X titanium forgings contract to Bharat Forge
ALKA KSHIRSAGAR

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PUNE, APRIL 26:

Jetliner maker Boeing has announced that it is awarding a contract for titanium forgings for the 777X to the Pune-based forgings maker Bharat Forge (BFL).

The forgings will be developed and manufactured by BFL using a closed die forgings process, Bharat Forge said in a statement to the BSE.

The first two forgings are scheduled to be shipped to Boeing in late 2016 and will be followed by two more forgings in early 2017.

Earlier this year, Bharat Forge began supplying titanium forged flap tracks for the Boeing Next Generation 737. It will also supply forgings for the 737 MAX scheduled to enter service in 2017.

“We are pleased to expand our partnership with Bharat Forge. They have demonstrated not only a high level of technical expertise, but also an understanding of the need to meet market requirements for affordability,” Pratyush Kumar, President, Boeing India, said.

Subodh Tandale, executive director, BFL, added, “We are well versed in the stringent process requirements for titanium forgings and have mastered the process. We will be supplying critical wing components for one of the most advanced Boeing aircraft.”

The announcement gave wings to the Bharat Forge scrip that rose almost 2 per cent and was seen trading at Rs. 812 apiece, a gain of Rs. 15 per share.


http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...s-contract-to-bharat-forge/article8523489.ece
 
Good to see Indian companies catching up but I like to know, where is the Titanium coming from?
 
Boeing awards 777X titanium forgings contract to Bharat Forge
ALKA KSHIRSAGAR

boeing_2829257f.jpg


PUNE, APRIL 26:

Jetliner maker Boeing has announced that it is awarding a contract for titanium forgings for the 777X to the Pune-based forgings maker Bharat Forge (BFL).

The forgings will be developed and manufactured by BFL using a closed die forgings process, Bharat Forge said in a statement to the BSE.

The first two forgings are scheduled to be shipped to Boeing in late 2016 and will be followed by two more forgings in early 2017.

Earlier this year, Bharat Forge began supplying titanium forged flap tracks for the Boeing Next Generation 737. It will also supply forgings for the 737 MAX scheduled to enter service in 2017.

“We are pleased to expand our partnership with Bharat Forge. They have demonstrated not only a high level of technical expertise, but also an understanding of the need to meet market requirements for affordability,” Pratyush Kumar, President, Boeing India, said.

Subodh Tandale, executive director, BFL, added, “We are well versed in the stringent process requirements for titanium forgings and have mastered the process. We will be supplying critical wing components for one of the most advanced Boeing aircraft.”

The announcement gave wings to the Bharat Forge scrip that rose almost 2 per cent and was seen trading at Rs. 812 apiece, a gain of Rs. 15 per share.


http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...s-contract-to-bharat-forge/article8523489.ece

How is manufacturing in India and then shipping it back to USA with all the custom and VAT included will cost cheap than making actual thing in America itself ?
 
How is manufacturing in India and then shipping it back to USA with all the custom and VAT included will cost cheap than making actual thing in America itself ?

Many american companies do not go to India and China for quality cheap labour..they actually go there for tax evasion..No american official can ever count how many units Boeing produced in India and sold it directly from India to client over seas..

there is no way to believe Indians can be more expert and at the same time cheaper in producing such crucial component..Boeing will go down the typical line of American manufacturers developing a reputation for quality fade due to outsourcing. This will be a good news AirBus was customers are always willing to pay money for quality. But customers are not willing to bear extra large margins over goods out-sourced to China and India...

In other words paying in american value means getting it Made in USA..
There was a time in Saudi when anything Made in USA was passed into government procurement..these days Made in USA falls in the grey category where additional inspections are required.
 
Many american companies do not go to India and China for quality cheap labour..they actually go there for tax evasion..No american official can ever count how many units Boeing produced in India and sold it directly from India to client over seas..

there is no way to believe Indians can be more expert and at the same time cheaper in producing such crucial component..Boeing will go down the typical line of American manufacturers developing a reputation for quality fade due to outsourcing. This will be a good news AirBus was customers are always willing to pay money for quality. But customers are not willing to bear extra large margins over goods out-sourced to China and India...

In other words paying in american value means getting it Made in USA..
There was a time in Saudi when anything Made in USA was passed into government procurement..these days Made in USA falls in the grey category where additional inspections are required.

Bharat Forge is the second-largest forging company in the world, behind only ThyssenKrupp of Germany. It makes every sense for Boing to hand over the contract to these guys
 
Many american companies do not go to India and China for quality cheap labour..they actually go there for tax evasion..No american official can ever count how many units Boeing produced in India and sold it directly from India to client over seas..
Each production components can be traced to the origin and the operator that worked on it.It's done in automotive industry and I'm pretty sure it's done in aerospace industry too.That's how you do products recalls of vehicles.

Lastly,No one get's tax breaks by hiding component manufacturing in America.
 
there is no way to believe Indians can be more expert and at the same time cheaper in producing such crucial component

Have a little more for your butthurt:

http://qz.com/302016/heres-a-look-inside-ges-brand-new-manufacturing-facility-in-pune/

Also:

Indian applications to US patent office in 2015: 3355

Pakistan: 16

How is manufacturing in India and then shipping it back to USA with all the custom and VAT included will cost cheap than making actual thing in America itself ?

Why not ask the Chinese and Japanese and Koreans before that? You will find the answers in history
 
Have a little more for your butthurt:

http://qz.com/302016/heres-a-look-inside-ges-brand-new-manufacturing-facility-in-pune/

Also:

Indian applications to US patent office in 2015: 3355

Pakistan: 16



Why not ask the Chinese and Japanese and Koreans before that? You will find the answers in history

I dont belive all this BS...all OEM are going to make positive PR on this cost cutting moves..the fact is..it does not hold up..i have tried a number of Chinese and Indian products made by global brands and the common result it..
When it is made cheap..it will be cheap..and mind you I trade in Industrial products..so my experience runs much diverse...

Made in India Bridgestone Tires = Rubbish
Made in India Nissan Sunny = Rubbish
Made in India Copeland Compressor = blow up in 6-8 Months..the American made last a life time with 20 years old units still in operations.
 
I dont belive all this BS...all OEM are going to make positive PR on this cost cutting moves..the fact is..it does not hold up..i have tried a number of Chinese and Indian products made by global brands and the common result it..
When it is made cheap..it will be cheap..and mind you I trade in Industrial products..so my experience runs much diverse...

Made in India Bridgestone Tires = Rubbish
Made in India Nissan Sunny = Rubbish
Made in India Copeland Compressor = blow up in 6-8 Months..the American made last a life time with 20 years old units still in operations.

Do you think if this was the case, companies would still manufacture in India? Prove your assertions in above 4 example with links in published newspaper or studies or we all would be forced to presume that it is nothing but a case of good old neighborhood envy.
 

It is not just these forgings, there is a lot more to come:

http://www.economist.com/news/busin...ng-themselves-arms-making-opportunity-strikes

India’s defence industry
Opportunity strikes
The country’s conglomerates are throwing themselves into arms-making

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This one looks sub standard

VISITORS to the Talegaon plant of Larsen & Toubro (L&T), an Indian engineering company, might confuse it for the props department of a film studio. Half-a-dozen hangars spread over 50 acres near Pune, a city in western India, are filled with enough weaponry to thrill a Bond villain: camouflaged track-mounted howitzers, anti-submarine rocket launchers and, particularly appealing should Blofeld share Indians’ fondness for trains, a contraption to turn a humble carriage into a ballistic-missile-launcher.

The missile itself is a dummy, but the rest of the kit speaks of India’s ambitions to breed world-class makers of defence equipment. Although India now has the world’s fourth-biggest military budget, it has been the single biggest arms importer for seven of the past ten years, says SIPRI, a research institute (see chart). The government, tired of this unwanted accolade—and convinced indigenous weapons production can provide jobs, budget savings and technological know-how—puts defence at the heart of its drive to boost domestic manufacturing.

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Local conglomerates are salivating at an opportunity they expect could be worth $150 billion-200 billion in the coming decade. Tata, Mahindra and Godrej—as well as L&T—are among those that have piled into weapons manufacturing in recent years. But to succeed they will have to take on foreign importers (which snap up about two-thirds of all procurement by value), a crowd of state-owned companies and the country’s bloated defence bureaucracy.

Impatience with familiar suppliers opened the first breach for private contractors over a decade ago. An unconvincing victory in a skirmish with Pakistan, in Kashmir in 1999, exposed the Indian army’s lack of capability. Insiders blamed a plethora of corruption scandals, involving foreign firms as well as flabby state-owned arms-makers, for leaving forces ill-equipped. But private-sector enthusiasm faded when promises of contracts did not materialise.

The latest sally slightly preceded the arrival of Narendra Modi in power in May 2014, and has been reinforced by his team’s energetic drumming of a “Make in India” theme. Mr Modi has spoken of having 70% indigenous weapons procurement by 2020, roughly double today’s figure (the defence ministry is a bit less ambitious), with more of it produced by the private sector. To achieve this, procurement rules overtly favour stuff made locally. Some of the red tape entangling all things industrial has been done away with: for example, foreign groups may now own as much as 49% in Indian ventures, up from 26%.

Bosses at private Indian firms are delighted by the new rhetoric: Tata, India’s largest conglomerate, identifies defence as one of four core growth areas. Groups with a background in cars (Mahindra) or precision engineering (L&T) have recast themselves as arms-makers, often with the help of Western partners such as Airbus, Boeing or Lockheed Martin.

The pipeline for new defence systems looks appealing. The military budget, some $50 billion a year, is expected to track long-term economic-growth rates of around 7% a year. Press reports suggest the armed forces are short of some 300 fighter jets, at least a dozen submarines, over 1,000 combat helicopters, seven frigates and perhaps 3,000 artillery guns. What gear it has is often of cold-war vintage and from Russia, India’s traditional supplier. Even ammunition is in short supply.

Yet in practice the armed forces are lousy customers. Defence bureaucrats are risk-averse. Military spending is growing, but much new money goes towards salaries and pensions. The share of funds for procurement, research, development and testing has slumped from 34% in 2005 to 25% today, says IHS Jane’s, a research outfit.

Worse, a fifth of the capital budget typically goes unspent because, in the run up to year-end, the finance ministry usually begs generals to shelve projects so that overall public-spending targets can be met. That leaves just $11 billion-12 billion for procurement, says IHS. And much of this is committed to existing projects, often in the hands of state-run companies good at lobbying for their share.

So those in charge of India’s putative defence groups are waiting to see if the opportunity is really as big as it appears. Official rhetoric was enough for investment plans to be drawn up, but not quite enough for big amounts to be spent. “We like the policy; we await the execution,” says one firm’s defence-division boss. A bureaucrat who misinterprets a single word in a regulation could stymie a billion-dollar project, he adds.

Foreign firms will also seek a chance to profit. Nearly 500 attended a recent defence jamboree in Goa. Some are still hoping to do deals to deliver equipment outright. Dassault has been in talks to sell its Rafale fighter jets for over 15 years (“We are getting closer...we are in the final phase,” its chairman said last month, redefining optimism). But if it comes off, this deal would probably be one of many contracts to have the first batch of a weapons system made overseas before shifting manufacturing—and some technology—to India for later orders, assuming the local partner could cope with production demands.

The past year has seen the weaving of a tangled web connecting big Western defence groups and Indian manufacturing counterparts. A recent deal for BAE Systems to supply howitzers uses Mahindra as the local assembler. A track-mounted artillery gun at L&T’s facility (part of which is a joint venture with Airbus Defence) was designed by Samsung. Boeing and Tata have a partnership to produce Apache helicopter fuselages, among other things.

Sceptics wonder whether local groups do much more than give existing foreign weapons systems an Indian veneer just thick enough to get contracts. Systems developed abroad (often some time ago) can be assembled in an Indian plant, with both sides claiming the gear has been extensively adapted for the Indian market.

Assembly work is not the lucrative bit of the weapons industry—just as the iPhone brings more profits to Apple (its designer) than to Foxconn (its contract manufacturer). For now, India mostly makes the cheaper bits, especially parts that can benefit from lower labour costs. Pricier systems, which require long development lead-times, are hampered by higher capital costs for Indian firms compared with Western rivals.

All that could change if Indian companies develop expertise to design, not just assemble, equipment. Last month the government said it would give priority to weapons designed and made in India. It should also let firms export their wares—which, in the long term, is the only way investments in arms-making pay, says Deba Mohanty of Indicia, a consultancy. Countries that spend heavily on armed forces typically have successful arms-making companies. India’s ambition, one day, is to stop being an exception to this rule.

From the print edition: Business
 
I dont belive all this BS...all OEM are going to make positive PR on this cost cutting moves..the fact is..it does not hold up..i have tried a number of Chinese and Indian products made by global brands and the common result it..
When it is made cheap..it will be cheap..and mind you I trade in Industrial products..so my experience runs much diverse...

Made in India Bridgestone Tires = Rubbish
Made in India Nissan Sunny = Rubbish
Made in India Copeland Compressor = blow up in 6-8 Months..the American made last a life time with 20 years old units still in operations.

Go write a blog about it somewhere about your claimed personal experiences and claimed industrial knowledge. The trade and investment numbers run quite contrary to your assertion.

I have been to the Chengdu Pratt facility (making LPC among other things for our commercial jet engines for asian market)....the capex costs and equipment are all exactly the same.....training and skills are of the same level (we do the same internships and training program and expect the same quality and standards). Quality control is the same as international level.....but the main driving force is that in USD their labour is a lot cheaper. Its the same thing in India.

It is a multi-dimensional thing. Yes much of the production is based around the pricepoint when there are not many margins available in the item itself (mass consumer items for example) and the quality is also reflective of this.....but this does not extend 100% to the high end engineering where there is more balanced approach to having both cheap + quality production centers to satisfy the overall demand profile.For example China makes both low quality + cheap steam turbines....and also medium price and decent quality ones...and increasingly high quality "german level" ones too....because there is industry demand for both depending on a host of factors.

So you better get used to enjoying flying in Boeing and Airbus aircraft with major Chinese and Indian components. The PC and QC they employ is uniform, the price point competes on lower labour margins....not "quality" of product. The days of Chinese and India being forced captive markets are long gone....everyone knows that they have to be part of the supply chain to make a balanced sustainable global industrial network.

Now if Pakistan is unable to jump on this bandwagon, take your issue up with that rather than being the same old broken record.
 
How is manufacturing in India and then shipping it back to USA with all the custom and VAT included will cost cheap than making actual thing in America itself ?
I don't know how but PAC Kamra machines some parts for the 777 as well (at least it did till 2013). Funniest thing is the titanium is imported, machined at Kamra, and sent back and Kamra still makes a profit on it.
 
Boeing awards 777X titanium forgings contract to Bharat Forge
ALKA KSHIRSAGAR

boeing_2829257f.jpg


PUNE, APRIL 26:

Jetliner maker Boeing has announced that it is awarding a contract for titanium forgings for the 777X to the Pune-based forgings maker Bharat Forge (BFL).

The forgings will be developed and manufactured by BFL using a closed die forgings process, Bharat Forge said in a statement to the BSE.

The first two forgings are scheduled to be shipped to Boeing in late 2016 and will be followed by two more forgings in early 2017.

Earlier this year, Bharat Forge began supplying titanium forged flap tracks for the Boeing Next Generation 737. It will also supply forgings for the 737 MAX scheduled to enter service in 2017.

“We are pleased to expand our partnership with Bharat Forge. They have demonstrated not only a high level of technical expertise, but also an understanding of the need to meet market requirements for affordability,” Pratyush Kumar, President, Boeing India, said.

Subodh Tandale, executive director, BFL, added, “We are well versed in the stringent process requirements for titanium forgings and have mastered the process. We will be supplying critical wing components for one of the most advanced Boeing aircraft.”

The announcement gave wings to the Bharat Forge scrip that rose almost 2 per cent and was seen trading at Rs. 812 apiece, a gain of Rs. 15 per share.


http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...s-contract-to-bharat-forge/article8523489.ece
If true this is impressive. Very impressive. Well done India.
 
I dont belive all this BS...all OEM are going to make positive PR on this cost cutting moves..the fact is..it does not hold up..i have tried a number of Chinese and Indian products made by global brands and the common result it..
When it is made cheap..it will be cheap..and mind you I trade in Industrial products..so my experience runs much diverse...

Made in India Bridgestone Tires = Rubbish
Made in India Nissan Sunny = Rubbish
Made in India Copeland Compressor = blow up in 6-8 Months..the American made last a life time with 20 years old units still in operations.
well well lets see what a chinese says about it
@Chinese-Dragon look what he says :partay:

Also Read the reply below.......
Go write a blog about it somewhere about your claimed personal experiences and claimed industrial knowledge. The trade and investment numbers run quite contrary to your assertion.

I have been to the Chengdu Pratt facility (making LPC among other things for our commercial jet engines for asian market)....the capex costs and equipment are all exactly the same.....training and skills are of the same level (we do the same internships and training program and expect the same quality and standards). Quality control is the same as international level.....but the main driving force is that in USD their labour is a lot cheaper. Its the same thing in India.

It is a multi-dimensional thing. Yes much of the production is based around the pricepoint when there are not many margins available in the item itself (mass consumer items for example) and the quality is also reflective of this.....but this does not extend 100% to the high end engineering where there is more balanced approach to having both cheap + quality production centers to satisfy the overall demand profile.For example China makes both low quality + cheap steam turbines....and also medium price and decent quality ones...and increasingly high quality "german level" ones too....because there is industry demand for both depending on a host of factors.

So you better get used to enjoying flying in Boeing and Airbus aircraft with major Chinese and Indian components. The PC and QC they employ is uniform, the price point competes on lower labour margins....not "quality" of product. The days of Chinese and India being forced captive markets are long gone....everyone knows that they have to be part of the supply chain to make a balanced sustainable global industrial network.

Now if Pakistan is unable to jump on this bandwagon, take your issue up with that rather than being the same old broken record.
:tup::tup: very true for the bolded part
 
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