BD-PAK relations in Hasina's Regime

[Al-zakir]

It's come to my observation that a well know group(BD context) only target religious leaders as war criminal with out evidence or credible prove however don't mention about "Rokki the dalal Bahini that was created under supervision of Mujib who killed thousand of communist rite after 71 for political reasons. Why shouldn't these scum be punish for killing all those people?

 

[Al-zakir]

Why not ask about judgments of the killers of Mukti-judda


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SalimC | December 6, 2008 - 10:27pm

Awami league wake up in a special time like Dog(s) beaches. Now that time is remaining. Caretaker government & election commissioner already declared the election schedule. Before every election Awami league & their Medias started propaganda against so called war criminals & Islamic parties in 36years. If they are joint in their alliance they shut up otherwise they are disturb the nations with that slogan. But in 1986 & 1996 elections what we saw? Those so called war criminals & Islamic parties were their alliance.

In a theory of democracy no one can stop others right of democracy. But so call leftist & Awami league is doing that.Awami leauge is a matlab-baz party(motive party), While they are in problem that time they call leftist,rightest or Islamic parties are their fathers. Even they agreement with JSD (Rab) & Islamic Okkojoot even a soirachar H.M.Ersad.
Democracy is by the peoples, they were no mention by whom? The leftist, rightest or Islamic parties but the peoples of the country of Bangladesh. How can you stop others democratic right? Than that will become a fascist democracy. Bangladesh is a republic country; every one can cast their votes as their choice. If you can't stop that how can you stop those mention parties?

Awami league is a fascist party. They stop Bangladeshi democracy by form the BAKSAL. Awami RAKKI BAHINI killed 30,000(thirty thousand) Mukti-judda (freedom-fighters) in their BAKSAL rule (1972-1975).Why they not ask about judgments of the killers of Mukti-judda (freedom-fighters). Awami league demand they are the party of Mukti-judder chetona! Those Mukti-judda (freedom-fighters) was killed by Awami RAKKI BAHINI not the son of Adam. We saw some so called sushil somaz are telling in the public meetings Mukti-juddara Jatir Sresto sontan (freedom-fighters are the best & respectable son for the country (?).Why they are not demanding for the judgments of the Awami RAKKI BAHINI killers of Mukti-juddas? How can the Awami RAKKI BAHINI leader Tofael Ahamed dancing by the name of politics & by the name of Mukti-judder chetona.In 37 years Awami league is joking with the issue of Razakar-Mukti Judda.If they want the judgments of war criminals of 1971, how can 195 Pakistani army officers of listed war criminals, 93,000 Pakistani armies were free? Those all held in fount of Mukti-judda (freedom-fighters).Hopeless Mukti-judda (freedom-fighters) can’t done any thing only respect a leader Muzib.He was the great leader for the Mukti-judda (freedom-fighters).He promised with the peoples & Mukti-juddas (freedom-fighters) we will rebuild the country(Evarer songram Desh gorar Songram). Bangladesh will be the people republic, socialist & democracy (Chittagong polo ground-1972). Bangladeshi publics were war for democracy. But what we saw in 1973 election? That time also Muzib is name of Bangladeshi publics, they were ready support him & his party members. May be some where in Bangladesh oppositions can get support, he & his Government strongly stopped publics demand. They (publics) can’t elected their supporting members [NAP (Mozaffar) NAP (Bahsani), JSD & Communist party is the witness of those elections)] how can they loosed by force. NAP leader Bahsani told Muzib emon adormo corona, Itihash tomakee dikkar debe (Muzib not do illegal, history will not excused you).Tiris lac manush gonotontrer jonno jibon diase ebabe gonotntro dongso koruna [(3 millions of publics were died for the democracy please don’t destroy it) the weekly Khutba by Moulana A.K.Bashani].After form the BAKSAL Muzib put last nails in the coffin of democracy. Every one knows about the famine of -1974, 2 laces peoples were died without food. From that time corruption started in Bangladeshi history, Muzib told with regret every one get mine of oils or gold but I (Muzib) get mine of thieves. The thieves are surrounding me, that’s the reality of the BAKSALIS.For that reason U.S.forein minister Henry Kissinger told Bangladesh is a bottomless Basket. History proved the democracy is not safe by Awami league; Bangladeshi publics are now forgetting to read someone’s history now they will make a new history. They are dreaming for a new Bangladesh, which will be free from uneducated, corruptions, political violence, and poorness, with democracy & economically strong, a country. They are united; they hate Awami theory divide & rules, cheat the peoples by the name of secularism which is they also not trust. There is 95% publics are Muslims in Bangladesh, secularism is immovable in this country. The peoples are pious but they respect other religious, their religious bond is strong.


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[idune]

This time she played the game straight... No cat and mouse..
She said she will start war crime trial..
she said she will give transit to india ..
she said she will open up the Ports for India..

Nobody even the opposition (BNP/Jamaat) did oppose to those manifesto and could not use them as labeling her as Pro Indian which means the sentiment of BD already changed..
People also gave her the mandate...

There should be limit on how much bull crap propaganda you are spreading.
BNP has always opposed giving transit and ports to india as national and strategic threat.

BNP menifesto said 'save country and save people'. It only takes indians and indian interest pusher to twist the meaning of those words. But it clearly meant to save Bangladesh from indo -US nexus and conspiracy (i.e South asian taskforce).

Hasina regime action will dictate reaction from people. Giving india transit or port were not election agenda and should not be. Among other things, election agenda were 10 tk /kg rice and better governance.

But to declare Bangladeshi people given Hasina mandate for giving india transit and port by sacrificing our national security and strategic interest is just wholesale lie and propaganda. Only someone with allegiance to indian flag and pretending to be a Bangladeshi can push such preposterous claims.

(Note: this response may not have direct relevence in the thread topic. But when propaganda are spread by indians, it should be called)

 

[idune]

In terms of Bangladesh and Pakistan relation, india will always try to drive wage between us. Indian strategy is simple, divide and conquer. In case you have not noticed same strategy indians have deployed in this board bringing up and insisting on discussing the old wound that will inflame bitterness.

Facts remains that 71 is 37 years old. Generation and actors of those tragic days are mostly gone or on their way. Its too late for to be hyped on election seasonal agenda “war crime”. There will be very little if anything can be accomplished by “war crime” hysteria.

But people of Bangladesh has much more pressing needs – proper food for them and their family, schooling for their children and making sure earning and growth of earnings. Discussion we are having here because we do not have to think about any of the above concern that typical Bangladeshis face.

So lets not fall in the trap of indians and their cronies. Lets look in positives, lets look in future NOT in past, lets think opportunities for Bangladesh and Pakistan to grow together.

 

[idune]

Back on topic....

Any of our Pakistani friend here familiar with clothing brand "Yellow"? As far I am aware there are "Yellow" stores in Karachi and Lahore.

 

[Al-zakir]

My personal observation and some questions for concerning party regarding pak-bangla relations

It come to my observation that some BD alleged West Pakistani and Pak army for genocide, discrimination and rapes of thousand of women. some of us here asking for justices and want to visit the past but at the same time want to make the relationship stronger between Pak-Bangla. It's like taking two step forward and than take 1 step backward. so my questions are

I. If some Bd think west Pakistani are blood thirsty, racist and inhumane than why keep diplomatic relation with them at all?

2. If some BD alleged Pak army for genocide and raping than why let the pak army to come to bd soil until the allegation are clear.

3. why having close military cooperation with same evil(alleged) army(building war ship and, training and buying weapons)?

I have problem with double standards. I believe either go or no go. Either let go of past completely and reconcile or stick to the principle until this allege issues are resolve completely. No need to go back and forth for political purpose. Some of us getting frustrated and doesn't really have ample of time for this. We have enormous potential and together we can bring about the change.

 

[TopCat]

There should be limit on how much bull crap propaganda you are spreading.

I had my version of crap.. you had yours.. you dont have to be so personal...
I will listen to if you do differ in any of my version...
I write on the basis of logic.. not from any point view.. Thanks

 

[HK-47]

In terms of Bangladesh and Pakistan relation, india will always try to drive wage between us. Indian strategy is simple, divide and conquer.

quit blaming India for everything that happened.

as for the Bangalis who colloborated with the Pakistani forces they should be tried.we can try them they remain here in BD, Pakistan doesn't come into this.more or less that would be the end of it.TOTALLY.

all those accused Pakistani officers were acquitted/released or something don't remember clearly so nothing can be done about that.

It's come to my observation that a well know group(BD context) only target religious leaders as war criminal with out evidence or credible prove however don't mention about "Rokki the dalal Bahini that was created under supervision of Mujib who killed thousand of communist rite after 71 for political reasons. Why shouldn't these scum be punish for killing all those people?

two wrongs make no one right.

 

[TopCat]

My personal observation and some questions for concerning party regarding pak-bangla relations

It come to my observation that some BD alleged West Pakistani and Pak army for genocide, discrimination and rapes of thousand of women. some of us here asking for justices and want to visit the past but at the same time want to make the relationship stronger between Pak-Bangla. It's like taking two step forward and than take 1 step backward. so my questions are

I. If some Bd think west Pakistani are blood thirsty, racist and inhumane than why keep diplomatic relation with them at all?

2. If some BD alleged Pak army for genocide and raping than why let the pak army to come to bd soil until the allegation are clear.

3. why having close military cooperation with same evil(alleged) army(building war ship and, training and buying weapons)?

I have problem with double standards. I believe either go or no go. Either let go of past completely and reconcile or stick to the principle until this allege issues are resolve completely. No need to go back and forth for political purpose. Some of us getting frustrated and doesn't really have ample of time for this. We have enormous potential and together we can bring about the change.

This is simple.. We distinguish between Pakistan being a country and some cuprits who committed genocide...

 

[TopCat]

all those accused Pakistani officers were acquitted/released or something don't remember clearly so nothing can be done about that.

I think you are wrong on that.. They can still be tried in absentia...
Once they were tried at least PK people and the world will know their true faces. They will be barred from visiting any foreign countries... They will not be able to get elected in the PK parliament and talk loud.. there are a lot of things can done...

 

[idune]

quit blaming India for everything that happened.

Define "everything" ?

Also explain how and why india was and is not actiong and interfereing BD-PAK relation.

 

[M_Saint]

as for the Bangalis who colloborated with the Pakistani forces they should be tried.we can try them they remain here in BD, Pakistan doesn't come into this.more or less that would be the end of it.TOTALLY.

What do you mean by Bengalis who collaborated with the Pakistani forces? Weren't Bengalis part of Pakistanis at that time? And how in the world those should be dubbed as war criminals, who wanted to save Pakistan from being breaking up? Furthermore, why Nehru, Indira, Vajpayee, Manmohans aren't war criminals for what they are doing to Kashmiries whilst Nizami and Mujahid are for their efforts to save PAK? If Shanti Bahini in CHT succeeds in separating HT from BD then will you call patriotic Chakmas, who are fighting against them be war criminals? Real war criminals were Indira Ghandi, Mujib and Bhutto. And all of them meted Allah's verdict IMO.

all those accused Pakistani officers were acquitted/released or something don't remember clearly so nothing can be done about that.


two wrongs make no one right.

None of the W Pakistanis was actually acquitted besides being exchanged with Bengalis in W Pakistani barrack and they were tried and punished in PAK after their arrivals. Please read Hamudur Rahman's report in that regard.

And yes two wrong don't make things right but then why addressing the less degree's one and omit the bigger, i.e. Indian attack on a sovereign nation?

Finally the originators of War crime rhetoric like RAW agent Kamal Hussein, Sector commanders and Ghadani members know very well that there is no substance in it but they might try to finish the deceiving legacy this time anyway in special or UN run court just to manipulate verdict in their favors but that wouldn't serve humanity like Saddam, Milosevic and Nuremberg's one hasn't.

 

[TopCat]

What do you mean by Bengalis who collaborated with the Pakistani forces? Weren't Bengalis part of Pakistanis at that time? And how in the world those should be dubbed as war criminals, who wanted to save Pakistan from being breaking up?

Well it was mentioned before, good hearted soldiers who served their country (Pakistan) in line with their duty, we have no complaint against them. But those who committed war crimes should be brought to justice. Nobody will be brought to justice for killing any Mukti Bahini/BD soldiers/Indian soldiers. But anybody who killed and raped innocent civilians must be brought to justice..

Furthermore, why Nehru, Indira, Vajpayee, Manmohans aren't war criminals for what they are doing to Kashmiries whilst Nizami and Mujahid are for their efforts to save PAK?

This matter should be dealt by Kashmiris themselves... Also PK had a stake on that so they probably in a better position to do that.. Its not our war, we already faught once in 1965 for them, and everybody but the BD soldiers were left in the frontline.. We could not find any Kashmiris to join hand with us from Indian side...

If Shanti Bahini in CHT succeeds in separating HT from BD then will you call patriotic Chakmas, who are fighting against them be war criminals? Real war criminals were Indira Ghandi, Mujib and Bhutto. And all of them meted Allah's verdict IMO.

Well CHT matter was dealt with wise hand.. that is how any conflict suppose to be addressed not by force...

None of the W Pakistanis was actually acquitted besides being exchanged with Bengalis in W Pakistani barrack and they were tried and punished in PAK after their arrivals. Please read Hamudur Rahman's report in that regard.

There is no question of exchanging, as those were in WP, were not involved in any combat operation and they are confined against any applicable law.
No trial information were shared with Bangladesh neither with the victim and no evidence were collected from here either. They were tried for loosing the war and nothing to do with BD war crime..

And yes two wrong don't make things right but then why addressing the less degree's one and omit the bigger, i.e. Indian attack on a sovereign nation?

We brought india to help us.. that was not a sovereign nation after 25th march 1971 but occupied by PK military.

Finally the originators of War crime rhetoric like RAW agent Kamal Hussein, Sector commanders and Ghadani members know very well that there is no substance in it but they might try to finish the deceiving legacy this time anyway in special or UN run court just to manipulate verdict in their favors but that wouldn't serve humanity like Saddam, Milosevic and Nuremberg's one hasn't.

I cant talk for other.. but I know there are plenty of substance in trying those criminals..



This is a late response as the author of the original quote insisted us to reply in another thread..

 

[leonblack08]

What do you mean by Bengalis who collaborated with the Pakistani forces? Weren't Bengalis part of Pakistanis at that time? And how in the world those should be dubbed as war criminals, who wanted to save Pakistan from being breaking up? Furthermore, why Nehru, Indira, Vajpayee, Manmohans aren't war criminals for what they are doing to Kashmiries whilst Nizami and Mujahid are for their efforts to save PAK? If Shanti Bahini in CHT succeeds in separating HT from BD then will you call patriotic Chakmas, who are fighting against them be war criminals? Real war criminals were Indira Ghandi, Mujib and Bhutto. And all of them meted Allah's verdict IMO.

Winning side always write the history and it is better to follow that way.If our freedom struggle would have failed then the MuktiBahini soldiers would have been executed and termed traitors.And the Razakars would have been awarded with bravery awards.
Since after 25th March,we were no longer East Pakistan,so those who collaborated with Pakistan Army were indeed Traitors.So in this case Nizami,Golam Azam are traitors to Bangladesh.

It all depends on Status quo.

 

[leonblack08]

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