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Battle of Longewala- This day...41 years ago!

Ashamed? why wud I be ashamed of some malnourished Indians and Bengalis?..you belong to a back stabbing nation...taking pride on how your army took advantage of civil war in Pakistan..wish our army did the same to your country when in 1962 Chinese forces were spitting and raping your malnourished army..
Ok Blonde hair blue eyed surrendering pak boy. Just because you don't have any proud moment now you are trying to take support of someone's ( China ) Victory as yours.

Truth remains truth that your battle of hilli was nothing but you got kicked and Shamefully surrendered n torturered by bengalis.

Shame shame
 
Ok Blonde hair blue eyed surrendering pak boy. Just because you don't have any proud moment now you are trying to take support of someone's ( China ) Victory as yours.

Truth remains truth that your battle of hilli was nothing but you got kicked and Shamefully surrendered n torturered by bengalis.

Shame shame


How old are you? you cant even discuss properly...cockroach
 
The same can be said otherwise.
The reality is in the middle.. from the mouths of those that actually fought it..
and these accounts should not have passed through the garbage can of the propaganda machines.

Partly true. The biggest of lies and bitterest of truths come from those who fight in a war. But prevalance of make believe stories is slightly higher on your side. Don't take it otherwise. We have our share of bullsh*** here, but you beat us all fair and square.

As you said, the battle was totally unfair. You got help from IAF there while PA without air support.

Yeah totally unfair. You have 10 nukes more than us. Totally unfair. You weren't ready and i threw a punch. Totally unfair. You bullying a small nation like vietnam. Yeah totally unfair.

There is a casino decked up in disco lights floating somewhere near a shore. You will find it easily. Just look for plenty of tourists. There is a loo also, decked up again, yeah u guessed it right!, in disco lights. Go and **** over there.
 
How old are you? you cant even discuss properly...cockroach

I am old enough .You are the one who is running battle to battle and being humiliated on each and every :D. Topic is Longewala. You ran away to discuss hilli , when you saw your army did nothing and got spanked now you wanna ride chinese sholders and wanna discuss 1962.

now just because you cannot face the facts you are doing personal attacks calling others cockroach, back stabber, mal naurished. because this is the way your family taught you. n I can see you talk this way within home as well.

What is backstabber ? we are rivals. we are here to fight. we ever said you should trust us ? we are to hit your arse whenever we can. You shameless people just trying to save shame by calling your lost battle as enemy's back stabbing.

Mind it again , It was you who started air strike in India. which started the war.
 
I am old enough .You are the one who is running battle to battle and being humiliated on each and every :D. Topic is Longewala. You ran away to discuss hilli , when you saw your army did nothing and got spanked now you wanna ride chinese sholders and wanna discuss 1962.

now just because you cannot face the facts you are doing personal attacks calling others cockroach, back stabber, mal naurished. because this is the way your family taught you. n I can see you talk this way within home as well.

What is backstabber ? we are rivals. we are here to fight. we ever said you should trust us ? we are to hit your arse whenever we can. You shameless people just trying to save shame by calling your lost battle as enemy's back stabbing.

Mind it again ,It was you who started air strike in India. which started the war.


we are enemies rite? thn why Indians cry over Mumbai attack? we are also suppose to hit your arse whenever we can rite? your whole Mumbai got locked up by few armed men..if 10 can kill 160 thn imagine wht 200 million can do to your malnourished n polio infested nation ..I dont justify tht but since you bring rivalry had to mention tht.. ..Wars can be fought fairly with honorable enemy but unfortunately we Pakistanis are facing a very cheap and backstabbing enemy
 
Lol.............even G.Parthsarthy and mahroof raza termed 26/11 attack in military terms as brilliantly planned and executed commando type raid whe they said 26/11 was not a normal terror attack it was more like commando raid.

As for comparing both longewala and 26/11 the reason being to show how difficult is to clear a well entrenched enemy even when numbers are in your favour.If not 26/11 you can also take example of kargil war.even though numbers were in india's favour it took IA/IAF nearly 3 months to clear those peaks.


Though there are some similarities, there are many difference...

1. one was urban warfare , other was conventional warfare.
2. One was defensive operation, another was suicide mission.
3. One was unethical (Killing unarmed civilian) another was ethical warfare.

26/11 can only be compared with 9/11, there is no conventional war which can be compared with it. It was not a commando action, No commando action in world allow its soldier to die. AFAIK from America to Japan (except Pakistan) can allow such action against unarmed civilian



Kargil war can be compared with longewala war, where Pakisatni soldier were in Bunker and Indian were in open... But then also "Pakistani Loose". :rofl:
 
we are enemies rite? thn why Indians cry over Mumbai attack? we are also suppose to hit your arse whenever we can rite? your whole Mumbai got locked up by few armed men..if 10 can kill 160 thn imagine wht 200 million can do to your malnourished n polio infested nation ..I dont justify tht but since you bring rivalry had to mention tht.. ..Wars can be fought fairly with honorable enemy but unfortunately we Pakistanis are facing a very cheap and backstabbing enemy

You guys used terrorists to do your dirty work using hostages, because last time you tried using that Army of yours, you lost half your country.
 
Though there are some similarities, there are some difference...

1. one was urban warfare , other was conventional warfare.
2. One was defensive operation, another was suicide mission.
3. One was unethical (Killing unarmed civilian) another was ethical warfare.

26/11 can only be compared with 9/11, there is no conventional war which can be compared with it. It was not a commando action, No commando action in world allow its soldier to die. AFAIK from America to Japan (except Pakistan) can allow such action against unarmed civilian

Pakistani perspective mein this is allowed it seems.. I dont know how long an Indian member would have survived after comparing the Battle of Chawinda with the attack on Mehran Base or Kamra Base or Srilanka cricket team or Pakistan GHQ...
 
You guys used terrorists to do your dirty work using hostages, because last time you tried using that Army of yours, you lost half your country.

Kindly pull your head or whatever out of sand and realise this is 2012....last time you felt adventurous was in 2002, but then your army became paralysed for a whole year.

Casualties

The standoff inflicted heavy casualties. It took India months to mobilize and lost 789 men[3] to 1874 men[23] in the standoff. Around 100 soldiers were killed in the initial phase of laying mines, another 250 were injured. The remaining casualties were a result of artillery duels with Pakistan and vehicle accidents. The Pakistani losses were estimated to be about 34 casualties and 10 injuries.

Cost of standoff

The Indian cost for the buildup was 21,600 crore (US$3.93 billion) being much greater than that of Pakistani $1.4 billion.[24]
 
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Major KC CHANDPURI and his 120 brave hearts
Major Kuldip Singh Chandpuri , MVC (3rd from left) with his company@battle of longewala

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Indian soldiers, along with Maj KS Chandpuri (Right) in front of a bombed enemy Jeep.

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The issue has been discussed on this very forum before and the Indian lies and propaganda thoroughly exposed, but the fan boys need some simulation alas small things amuse little minds.

Army faked battle of Laungewala’


The splendid victory achieved by our army in the battle of Laungewala during the 14-day 1971 India-Pakistan war was faked, a soldier awarded a military decoration in those operations has said. It was actually our air force that crushed the Pakistanis.

Major General Atma Singh (retd), who won the Vir Chakra for gallantry at Laungewala, told Hindustan Times that no ground battle was fought and the army had merely rehearsed it on a sand model after the ceasefire to cover up the incompetence of senior military commanders.

The army had last week presented Defence Minister AK Antony a blow-by-blow account of how Major KS Chandpuri (later brigadier) leading just 100 men had frustrated a formidable attack by a Pakistani brigade (some 2,800 troops) backed by an armoured regiment of 45 tanks. Chandpuri was given the Maha Vir Chakra. His alpha company (23 Punjab) won six gallantry awards. The army’s role in the battle had motivated generations and also inspired the Bollywood hit Border.

Atma Singh was then commanding the No 12 Air Observation Post (AOP) flight, tasked with directing close air support firepower towards enemy targets on the ground. “I dispute the ground battle completely. It is a mockery of army ethos,” he said. “We are teaching military history to future commanders citing battle accounts with no credibility. IAF’s Hunter fighters saved the day.” Atma Singh’s AOP flight of five Krishak light recce aircraft undertook 80 sorties and logged more than 110 flying hours.

Colonel PS Sangha (retd), who also served 12 AOP and was awarded a VrC, said Laungewala was an air force victory without doubt. Fighter pilots won eight Vir Chakras in that battle.

A senior officer in the army headquarters dismissed doubts on the army’s accomplishments in the battle.

The officer said: "It was a moment of glory. The combat ratio of 27:1 was in the enemy's favour. That's why we presented a simulated version of the action at Laungewala to the defence minister." Antony had dubbed it a "fascinating battle".

According to the army, Chandpuri's and his men -- equipped with recoilless guns, medium machine guns, 81 mm mortars and small arms -- had engaged enemy armour. Atma Singh refuted it. "There were no signs of ground battle. I was out there in no man's land after an emergency landing at the Laungewala helipad. The enemy suffered no casualty in men or material till a Hunter hit their first T-59 tank."

Chandpuri regretted that the army's role in the battle was being questioned. He said the contribution of ground troops was in no way inferior to the IAF. "The troops on the ground fought against the enemy. The IAF hardly faced any opposition. The air force operated freely as the enemy had not scrambled its fighters," he said.

The scary prospect of being overrun by the enemy had made Chandpuri's men slightly edgy. But the army says his high standards of leadership motivated his men to fight to finish.

Major General Ian Cardozo (retd), who has authored several books on military history, said, "Truth is the first casualty of war worldwide. The fact is that the air force saved the day. But the army deserves credit for standing fast and holding the line despite overwhelming enemy forces."

‘Army faked battle of Laungewala’ - Hindustan Times

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...y-faked-battle-laungewalla.html#ixzz2EAtrUFnj
 
i would put my faith in indian assessments, because they tend to be truthful as the indian military, like its government is transparent and all its mistakes are talked about and analyzed unlike Pakistan. (words of a PA colonel not mine http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history-strategy/26461-pakistan-army-1965-1971-a.html)

Absolutely agreed.. but there are also jingoistic accounts from the Indian side.
The difference being.. that India would analyze these to sort out truth from fiction for ITS OWN CONSUMPTION.
Not for the outside world.. as the zee news type actions of Kargil or Pran Chopra type fecal matter written on 71.
 
Absolutely agreed.. but there are also jingoistic accounts from the Indian side.
The difference being.. that India would analyze these to sort out truth from fiction for ITS OWN CONSUMPTION.
Not for the outside world.. as the zee news type actions of Kargil or Pran Chopra type fecal matter written on 71.

There is an Established fact Victor will project How difficult the Battle was......

The Beleaguered will project How Heavy Odds they faced.........

Bottom line - Exaggerations factor kicks in............. + History has been made 'NOW" make more.
 
Indian army general reveal about lies of Indian army at longewala battle... see in this link

1971 : Coward Indian Army left their Post in rajistan sector: Ex Indian General


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On This Day 41 Years Ago , The Pakistan army decided to enter through Longewala (about 80 km from Ramgarh) and then hoped to capture Jaisalmer via Ramgarh.

The Longewala outpost was held by Major Kuldip Singh Chandpuri and his 120 men. Their position was on top of a large sand dune which they had surrounded by barbed wires. The Indian party was in a very strong defensive position due to height of the dune. Also the sandy area was not easily navigable by the vehicles (as well as tanks). Apart from their usual rifles, the Indian men had only one Jeep mounted M40 anti-tank gun. The attacking Pak force had 2800 soldiers, 65 tanks, 138 military vehicles, 5 field guns and 3 anti-aircraft guns. Pakistani forces, led by Brigadier Tariq Mir, attacked Indian outpost on the intervening night of 4th and 5th December 1971. The attack began at 12:30 in the night.

In the first wave of attack, the Pak soldiers killed five out of ten camels of the BSF available to the outpost. Indians had no time to lay a proper minefield -so they hastily laid as many mines as possible near to the outpost. As the column of 65 Pakistani tanks advanced the Indian soldiers patiently held fire. When the tanks were about 20 meters away -the Indians opened fire and using the only anti-tank gun they had they destroyed two foremost tanks in the column.

The outpost was to get support from Indian Air Force but the IAF plane could not fly because they were not equipped with the night vision. So, the outpost was told either to hold ground until dawn or flee. Major Chandpuri’s men, brave as they were, decided to defend their post. And they did. They held the advance of Pakistani forces until the sun rose above the horizon.

That rising sun brought nightmare for the Pakistani troops. The Indian Air Force sent four Hawker Hunter fighter jets to help the Indian soldiers. Pakistani troops had not planned for this. They had thought that they will easily win the outpost in the cover of night. But as the night waned they found IAF jets hovering over their heads. And then began destruction. For Indian jets the Pakistani tanks proved to be sitting ducks. The desert was open, no place to hide, tanks’ guns were not able to hit the aircraft and were under fire from the ground Indian soldiers. The Pakistani forces sent messages to ask for air support but the Pakistan Air Force was busy elsewhere. So, Indian jets had no resistance at all.

36 tanks of Pakistan were destroyed or captured, 200 soldiers were killed and 100 military vehicles were destroyed. Arrival of Indian jets had stopped the advance of Pak army -and when Indian tanks arrived -the Pakistani troops were forced to withdraw from the area.

Major Chandpuri’s men destroyed 12 tanks whereas 22 tanks were destroyed by the Indian jets. Some of the tanks were captured by Indian forces. The IAF attack was led by Wing Commander M.S. Bawa.

Courtesy- Facebook/Indian Air Force

Indian army general reveal about lies of Indian army at longewala battle... see in this link

1971 : Coward Indian Army left their Post in rajistan sector: Ex Indian General

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On This Day 41 Years Ago , The Pakistan army decided to enter through Longewala (about 80 km from Ramgarh) and then hoped to capture Jaisalmer via Ramgarh.

The Longewala outpost was held by Major Kuldip Singh Chandpuri and his 120 men. Their position was on top of a large sand dune which they had surrounded by barbed wires. The Indian party was in a very strong defensive position due to height of the dune. Also the sandy area was not easily navigable by the vehicles (as well as tanks). Apart from their usual rifles, the Indian men had only one Jeep mounted M40 anti-tank gun. The attacking Pak force had 2800 soldiers, 65 tanks, 138 military vehicles, 5 field guns and 3 anti-aircraft guns. Pakistani forces, led by Brigadier Tariq Mir, attacked Indian outpost on the intervening night of 4th and 5th December 1971. The attack began at 12:30 in the night.

In the first wave of attack, the Pak soldiers killed five out of ten camels of the BSF available to the outpost. Indians had no time to lay a proper minefield -so they hastily laid as many mines as possible near to the outpost. As the column of 65 Pakistani tanks advanced the Indian soldiers patiently held fire. When the tanks were about 20 meters away -the Indians opened fire and using the only anti-tank gun they had they destroyed two foremost tanks in the column.

The outpost was to get support from Indian Air Force but the IAF plane could not fly because they were not equipped with the night vision. So, the outpost was told either to hold ground until dawn or flee. Major Chandpuri’s men, brave as they were, decided to defend their post. And they did. They held the advance of Pakistani forces until the sun rose above the horizon.

That rising sun brought nightmare for the Pakistani troops. The Indian Air Force sent four Hawker Hunter fighter jets to help the Indian soldiers. Pakistani troops had not planned for this. They had thought that they will easily win the outpost in the cover of night. But as the night waned they found IAF jets hovering over their heads. And then began destruction. For Indian jets the Pakistani tanks proved to be sitting ducks. The desert was open, no place to hide, tanks’ guns were not able to hit the aircraft and were under fire from the ground Indian soldiers. The Pakistani forces sent messages to ask for air support but the Pakistan Air Force was busy elsewhere. So, Indian jets had no resistance at all.

36 tanks of Pakistan were destroyed or captured, 200 soldiers were killed and 100 military vehicles were destroyed. Arrival of Indian jets had stopped the advance of Pak army -and when Indian tanks arrived -the Pakistani troops were forced to withdraw from the area.

Major Chandpuri’s men destroyed 12 tanks whereas 22 tanks were destroyed by the Indian jets. Some of the tanks were captured by Indian forces. The IAF attack was led by Wing Commander M.S. Bawa.

Courtesy- Facebook/Indian Air Force
 

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