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F-7s are interceptors and aren't that bad fighters.Especially the new variant F-7 BG.It is updated and came out of production in 2005-06.With improved air frame and better RADAR and some BVR capability.

I just don't know why no country have ever place orders for F-8 II M,when it was placed for sale.It would have been a better interceptor than F-7 for Bangladesh I think.may be there were some factors to be taken into considerations.

About 16migs and I have doubt,Iajdani are you sure about the numbers?


Yes i am sure bout the number regarding Mig.
No matter what you guys say, I am not boarding a F-7 If I have to face a SU-30 MKI and win the battle no matter how better pilot I am.
 
We spend only 1.1% of GDP in defence yet some "So called Scholars" cry out we spend too much.This is what happens when you have some idiots who thinks they know everything.
At present we are on par with Myanmar,but they will eventually surpass us if we spend in the same way.

Just yesterday an old F-6 fighter trainer(converted) crashed for technical failures.Thanks to Allah the pilot is safe.

Well Myanmar wont be able to sustain a fight as their economy is 1/5th the size of BD's economy.
As I earlier suggested, if we even spend 3% of our GDP in defence we will be able to buy 2 squadron of Migs and 2 frigates every year. :enjoy:
 
Oil and gas.They have plenty of it.We should also start looking for oil and gas in Bay of bengal as there is big possibility of getting in large quantity.If there is a reason to fight the Burmese,it will be because of oil as we saw in last year's Naval stand off.

However our navy is in better shape with the Ulsan class frigate and the fact that Burmese lost many navy ships during cyclone NARGIS.

shame shame shame :guns:
 
Navy in need of logistics
Seeks JS body's help to resolve problems
Shakhawat Liton

Bangladesh Navy yesterday said it is facing difficulties in safeguarding the country's economic interest and exercising maritime control within the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf due to lack of modern equipment, manpower and fund.

In a report, placed before the parliamentary standing committee on defence ministry, the navy also sought prudent directives of the parliamentary committee for overcoming their limitations so that the force is able to fulfil the nation's expectation, sources said.

"Bangladesh Navy today made a presentation before the committee highlighting their problems and possible solutions. The force is facing a dearth of equipment, modern ships and manpower in discharging its duties," M Idris Ali told reporters after the meeting at the Jatiya Sangsad Bhaban.

The navy made a set of recommendations that include formulating the defence policy and national maritime policy, taking measures for increased participation of navy personnel in the UN peacekeeping mission, ensuring representation of competent navy personnel in important policymaking bodies.

Idris said all members of the parliamentary body agreed that the navy should be strengthened in the national interest.

Idris, also former defence secretary, said almost all of the navy ships are very old. Two of the four frigates of the navy are over 50 years old, he added.

"We will discuss whether the old frigates can be upgraded," the committee chief said. He said the past BNP-Jamaat-led alliance government decommissioned the modern frigate Bangabandhu due to their "narrow-minded" politics.

The last caretaker government, however, had re-commissioned the frigate, which is now one of two crucial ships for the navy, he said.

Without elaborating, the committee chief said there was a suggestion for purchasing new frigate. "We will be clear about the needs of the navy only when the defence policy is finalised," Idris Ali said.

Bangladesh Navy was established in 1972 to keep secure Bangladesh's territorial waters, safeguard Bangladesh's economic interest and exercise maritime control within the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf and to protect Bangladesh shipping lines and its merchant fleets.

A committee member quoting the navy's report said the process of modernisation of the navy is also in trouble due to shortage of fund.

On budgetary allocation, the navy in its report said it was allocated 16.10 percent of the total fund for defence forces in 2008-09 fiscal year. The army got 67.92 percent and the air force got 15.98 percent, a meeting source said quoting the navy's report.

The committee chief said they would discuss the navy's report in another meeting.

On holding discussion on the draft defence policy, the committee chief said they could not begin the discussion yesterday due to time constraint.

"We will sit again in the next two weeks and discuss the draft defence policy. It is a very serious matter and we will try to seek public opinion on the policy,"
Idris Ali, also ruling Awami League lawmaker, said. He said public debate might be held on the policy.

On demarcation of maritime boundary, the parliamentary body asked the government to initiate necessary steps by resolving disputes with the neighbouring countries--India and Myanmar.

Bangladesh will face difficulties in collecting resources if the maritime boundary is not demarcated, he said.

Idris Ali said Bangabandhu's government in 1974 had opened discussion with the two neighbouring countries to resolve disputes over maritime boundaries. After 1975, successive governments failed to give due importance to continued dialogue, he said.

To beef up the navy's activities to conduct survey in the sea, the parliamentary body asked the government to set up a hydrographic unit under the defence ministry, he said.

He said in absence of the unit, the navy is facing difficulties in discharging its duties.

The Daily Star - Details News
 
Navy eyes sub, new frigates
Prepares Tk 6,000cr plan to turn it into '3-dimesional' force
Shakhawat Liton

Bangladesh Navy seeks implementation of an ambitious ten-year plan to upgrade it into a three-dimensional force by introducing new frigates, a submarine, maritime patrol aircraft, helicopters and other equipment with an estimated cost of Tk 6,000 crore.

The navy has recently sent the plan prepared in line with the proposed Forces Goal-2020 to the Armed Forces Division (AFD) after considering the recent maritime situation, budgetary allocation, market prices of required equipment and other matters, says the force in a report.

The Daily Star obtained a copy of the report placed before the parliamentary standing committee on the defence ministry on Monday.

The navy plans include purchase of three frigates, three large patrol aircraft, 12 patrol craft, two landing craft utility (LCU), one hydrographic unit, one salvage vessel, four missile boats and installation of new missiles in some ships to strengthen its surface fleet.

It has proposed introducing its own aviation fleet to consolidate combat capability of the surface fleet by purchasing three maritime patrol aircraft and four helicopters in the next 10 years.

The navy also discloses a plan for purchasing a submarine by 2019 for the flotilla. It says the government has approved in principle this proposed purchase.

"Before purchasing the submarine, steps have already been taken to build infrastructure and train up personnel. When the preparatory work is completed, it will be possible to initiate steps to purchase a submarine by 2019," the navy report adds.

"Bangladesh Navy will obtain capability of a three-dimensional force if its aviation wing and a submarine are added to its fleet," believes the navy, tasked with protecting the nation's territorial waters, safeguard Bangladesh's economic interest and exercise maritime control within the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf.

Citing the need for a three dimensional modern force, the navy says aircraft and submarines along with surface fleets are considered essential parts to increase a navy's combat capability.

"It was not possible in the past to introduce aircraft and submarines in the fleet due to various adversities despite having the plan and desire," the navy observes.

Apart from purchasing equipment, it also proposed formation of SWADS Command for carrying out a special warfare to control militancy and smuggling in sea and rivers.

"If the special force is formed, it will be able to play active role along with the two other forces in sea and rivers," the navy said.

The navy also proposes increasing its personnel, setting up naval bases and training institutes. The proposals now await the government's consideration.

The proposals include setting up bases for naval commandos, divers, rescuers and naval aviation, and development of a naval base in Mongla.

Other proposals are installation of a junior staff training institute, navy hydrographic unit, oceanographic centre and operational sea training guide, and approval of the organogram of Khulna and Narayanganj shipyards.

The navy is also preparing more proposals to this end for sending to the government for consideration. Those include setting up of a naval base at St Martine's Island, submarine base, setting up a separate naval base in Dhaka, and restructuring the organogram of the naval headquarters and area commanders' headquarters.

On manpower, the navy proposes increasing 4,000 personnel of various ranks in the next 10 years. The existing approved manpower of the navy is 17,000.

The navy says based on the possible allocation of fund every year, the process of purchasing and building surface and aviation platforms to achieve three-dimensional ability will continue. Off-the-shelf purchase process will also continue simultaneously that would cost less and save time, it adds.

"Additional allocation of Tk 1,200 crore will be required for purchasing submarine, the hydrographic unit and the salvage ship," the navy says, adding, "An estimated allocation of Tk 5,000 will be required for principal purchase and development in the next 10 years."

The principal purchase excludes the submarine, hydrographic unit and the salvage ship.

As per the plan, three large patrol craft and 12 patrol craft will be built at the navy's own shipyards. Purchase of two helicopters and two maritime patrol aircraft are under process, the report says.

In defence for replacing three frigates -- Abu Bakar, Omar Faruk and Ali Haider -- the navy says the ships were built in 1953, 1953 and 1957 and Tk 300 crore will be required to upgrade those. Upgrading the old vessels is not viable, the navy claims.

The navy also proposes replacing four out of the eight missile boats -- Durbar, Duranto, Uttal and Durdanto. Those were commissioned in 1983, 1983, 1992 and 1988. It says Tk 200 crore would be required to upgrade the missile boats.

The report says as many as 82 ships, small and large, are in the navy's fleet. Most of the ships are older that 25 years. Only 15 ships/craft are aged under 25 years. Combat capability of the old ships has decreased and their maintenance and operation cost is high as well as risky, the navy adds.

It says, "With the old ships and present infrastructures, it is becoming difficult to discharge [the navy's] crucial duties."

The Daily Star - Details News
 
Brig Gen Azmi dismissed
Staff Correspondent

Brigadier General Abdullahil Aman Azmi was dismissed from the service Tuesday, highly-placed sources of the government said yesterday.

However, it could not be confirmed either from the Defence Ministry or ISPR.

The reason for his dismissal could not be known immediately. Azmi happens to be son of former Jamaat Ameer Golam Azam.

The sources said several other officials with rank and status of lieutenant colonel, major and captain have also been dismissed recently.

Meanwhile, the government has promoted two brigadier generals to the post of major general. They are: Engineering-in-Chief of Army Headquarters Brig Gen Hamid Al Hassan and Acting Director General of Ansar and VDP Brig Gen Md Rafiqul Islam.

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It is just dirty politics :tsk:

The removal of Brig. Gen Azmi is completely politically motivated move.It is totally unfair to punish anyone for the deeds of their father.This just shows the cheap mentality of the current AL govt.If there is really any compelling reason to sack him,then it should have been released to public through ISPR.

As well as the other removal of several middle ranked army officers are political move.Especially those who vent out their frustration and anger on PM Hasina,after seeing the way the Govt. handled the BDR mutiny situation.
 
Brig Gen Azmi dismissed
Staff Correspondent

Brigadier General Abdullahil Aman Azmi was dismissed from the service Tuesday, highly-placed sources of the government said yesterday.

However, it could not be confirmed either from the Defence Ministry or ISPR.

The reason for his dismissal could not be known immediately. Azmi happens to be son of former Jamaat Ameer Golam Azam.

The sources said several other officials with rank and status of lieutenant colonel, major and captain have also been dismissed recently.

Meanwhile, the government has promoted two brigadier generals to the post of major general. They are: Engineering-in-Chief of Army Headquarters Brig Gen Hamid Al Hassan and Acting Director General of Ansar and VDP Brig Gen Md Rafiqul Islam.

The Daily Star - Details News


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It is just dirty politics :tsk:

The removal of Brig. Gen Azmi is completely politically motivated move.It is totally unfair to punish anyone for the deeds of their father.This just shows the cheap mentality of the current AL govt.If there is really any compelling reason to sack him,then it should have been released to public through ISPR.

As well as the other removal of several middle ranked army officers are political move.Especially those who vent out their frustration and anger on PM Hasina,after seeing the way the Govt. handled the BDR mutiny situation.

Well it's Awami leauge my brother. Bd Army will be farther weaken in future days. By the time Awami leave office, Army will be completely Teeth less.
 
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It is just dirty politics :tsk:

The removal of Brig. Gen Azmi is completely politically motivated move.It is totally unfair to punish anyone for the deeds of their father.This just shows the cheap mentality of the current AL govt.If there is really any compelling reason to sack him,then it should have been released to public through ISPR.

As well as the other removal of several middle ranked army officers are political move.Especially those who vent out their frustration and anger on PM Hasina,after seeing the way the Govt. handled the BDR mutiny situation.[/QUOTE]

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Probably the most respected professional infantry officer in the army.
Never involved in any unethical work inside or outside the army. Friday's amardesh of 26th june has a good article about him.
 
This the top leadership, untill and unless you change them there will be no change in Govt's attitude. You change Hasina to bring Khaleda then again change Khaleda to bring Hasina...and goes on for ever...
Jokes aint it?
 
Navy eyes sub, new frigates
Prepares Tk 6,000cr plan to turn it into '3-dimesional' force
Shakhawat Liton

Bangladesh Navy seeks implementation of an ambitious ten-year plan to upgrade it into a three-dimensional force by introducing new frigates, a submarine, maritime patrol aircraft, helicopters and other equipment with an estimated cost of Tk 6,000 crore.

The navy has recently sent the plan prepared in line with the proposed Forces Goal-2020 to the Armed Forces Division (AFD) after considering the recent maritime situation, budgetary allocation, market prices of required equipment and other matters, says the force in a report.

The Daily Star obtained a copy of the report placed before the parliamentary standing committee on the defence ministry on Monday.

The navy plans include purchase of three frigates, three large patrol aircraft, 12 patrol craft, two landing craft utility (LCU), one hydrographic unit, one salvage vessel, four missile boats and installation of new missiles in some ships to strengthen its surface fleet.

It has proposed introducing its own aviation fleet to consolidate combat capability of the surface fleet by purchasing three maritime patrol aircraft and four helicopters in the next 10 years.

The navy also discloses a plan for purchasing a submarine by 2019 for the flotilla. It says the government has approved in principle this proposed purchase.

"Before purchasing the submarine, steps have already been taken to build infrastructure and train up personnel. When the preparatory work is completed, it will be possible to initiate steps to purchase a submarine by 2019," the navy report adds.

"Bangladesh Navy will obtain capability of a three-dimensional force if its aviation wing and a submarine are added to its fleet," believes the navy, tasked with protecting the nation's territorial waters, safeguard Bangladesh's economic interest and exercise maritime control within the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf.

Citing the need for a three dimensional modern force, the navy says aircraft and submarines along with surface fleets are considered essential parts to increase a navy's combat capability.

"It was not possible in the past to introduce aircraft and submarines in the fleet due to various adversities despite having the plan and desire," the navy observes.

Apart from purchasing equipment, it also proposed formation of SWADS Command for carrying out a special warfare to control militancy and smuggling in sea and rivers.

"If the special force is formed, it will be able to play active role along with the two other forces in sea and rivers," the navy said.

The navy also proposes increasing its personnel, setting up naval bases and training institutes. The proposals now await the government's consideration.

The proposals include setting up bases for naval commandos, divers, rescuers and naval aviation, and development of a naval base in Mongla.

Other proposals are installation of a junior staff training institute, navy hydrographic unit, oceanographic centre and operational sea training guide, and approval of the organogram of Khulna and Narayanganj shipyards.

The navy is also preparing more proposals to this end for sending to the government for consideration. Those include setting up of a naval base at St Martine's Island, submarine base, setting up a separate naval base in Dhaka, and restructuring the organogram of the naval headquarters and area commanders' headquarters.

On manpower, the navy proposes increasing 4,000 personnel of various ranks in the next 10 years. The existing approved manpower of the navy is 17,000.

The navy says based on the possible allocation of fund every year, the process of purchasing and building surface and aviation platforms to achieve three-dimensional ability will continue. Off-the-shelf purchase process will also continue simultaneously that would cost less and save time, it adds.

"Additional allocation of Tk 1,200 crore will be required for purchasing submarine, the hydrographic unit and the salvage ship," the navy says, adding, "An estimated allocation of Tk 5,000 will be required for principal purchase and development in the next 10 years."

The principal purchase excludes the submarine, hydrographic unit and the salvage ship.

As per the plan, three large patrol craft and 12 patrol craft will be built at the navy's own shipyards. Purchase of two helicopters and two maritime patrol aircraft are under process, the report says.

In defence for replacing three frigates -- Abu Bakar, Omar Faruk and Ali Haider -- the navy says the ships were built in 1953, 1953 and 1957 and Tk 300 crore will be required to upgrade those. Upgrading the old vessels is not viable, the navy claims.

The navy also proposes replacing four out of the eight missile boats -- Durbar, Duranto, Uttal and Durdanto. Those were commissioned in 1983, 1983, 1992 and 1988. It says Tk 200 crore would be required to upgrade the missile boats.

The report says as many as 82 ships, small and large, are in the navy's fleet. Most of the ships are older that 25 years. Only 15 ships/craft are aged under 25 years. Combat capability of the old ships has decreased and their maintenance and operation cost is high as well as risky, the navy adds.

It says, "With the old ships and present infrastructures, it is becoming difficult to discharge [the navy's] crucial duties."

The Daily Star - Details News

Arent we supposed to have 4 submarines by 2014 and 3 frigates by 2010?? anyone can explain??
 
Arent we supposed to have 4 submarines by 2014 and 3 frigates by 2010?? anyone can explain??

Explanation is very simple. india is in control of stooge awami govt and according to indian wishes Bangladesh does not need even any regular defense forces. Sub and frigate comes much later in the equation. Rest for you as Bangladeshi citizen to figure out.

If those defense enthusiast can not figure out what is taking place in Bangladesh then indian Awami stooges must be running one good digital deception.
 
Explanation is very simple. india is in control of stooge awami govt and according to indian wishes Bangladesh does not need even any regular defense forces. Sub and frigate comes much later in the equation. Rest for you as Bangladeshi citizen to figure out.

If those defense enthusiast can not figure out what is taking place in Bangladesh then indian Awami stooges must be running one good digital deception.

you need some serious medication buddy,cant you give a simple and conspiracy free answer to any question!?......cut the crap
 
you need some serious medication buddy,cant you give a simple and conspiracy free answer to any question!?......cut the crap

Ignoring pesky irritant
 
Ignoring pesky irritant

then try itch guard.......but you need something much bigger than that to get all the crap outta your head........you are first person ever on the earth to hate your own govt and your own country so much........support the govt which is in power,election is another thing......shame on you
 
Arent we supposed to have 4 submarines by 2014 and 3 frigates by 2010?? anyone can explain??

Its the fund problem.We are obviously not rich enough country to buy 4 subs within 4 years.It would cost a billion dollars.

Its nothing about being stooges,the plan for 4 subs were laid during BNP rule,and it is apparent that it was only a plan and nothing else.As they did not float any tender to buy subs.Some people just find politics everywhere.Craps.

Above all,we have to have the infrastructure and skilled man power to have those subs.The process of training is underway,but the lack of funding is stopping us.

When a country cannot provide good education at cheap cost to its citizen,how do you think 4 subs will be possible?Be happy even if we get one.:rolleyes:
 
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