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Muslims in India will never be treated equally because of the Indian Judicial system. People like Modi are allowed to rule.

People like Modi :cool: let me tell you Gujarat is one of the most developed state in India.

You are crying 2001... go there and you will see how many Muslim businessmen are prospering and investing in Gujarat.

Let me tell you my first hand experience with Muslims in UP and Gujarat:

In UP a thief try to stole my bike parked in front of my house but fortunately we caught him. When we went to lodge a FIR, several influential local Muslim leaders from Samajwadi Party were sitting there to pitch for that guy. I live in an area where Muslim population is more than 90%. They told my father "Bhai pani mey rehkar magarmachh se bair nahi kartey". My father replied "ye chor magarmachh hai?". that person answered "nahi hum hain." and station in-charge (Mr. I.Z. Khan) joined his chorus.

We lodged the FIR against him with the help of local BJP leader because this provoked us further to do so.

In Gujarat one person looted my laptop. He was caught by the mob. He begged not to lodge a police complaint but I did so. As soon as police come to know that he is Muslim they stop beating him and said "arey junta ney pehley hi bahut mara hai agar kuch ho gaya to hum badnaam ho jaye gey."

About Indian Judicial System:

Clerics criticise Qureshi - India - The Times of India

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topi...o=73382&version=1&template_id=40&parent_id=22

Mohamed Yaqoob Qureshi, a minister in the Uttar Pradesh state government, told the crowd in Meerut, 400km northwest of the state capital Lucknow, that he would give "the avenger" Rs510mn ($11.5mn) and his weight in gold.

The government of Uttar Pradesh, India’s most populous state and which has a large Muslim community, said the minister’s statements were "his personal wish" and did not violate government rules.
"In a democracy such announcements are made. It cannot be said to be a law and order issue."

All-India Muslim Personal Law Board, an authoritative national body of Muslim clerics, slammed the reward as "anti-Islamic and anti-humanity,"


510mn rupees for cartoonist’s head – Uttar Pradesh minister announces bounty, government says it’s ok

For your better understanding let me tell you no case was registered against this guy. although it is punishable under IPC. Modi is not the only beneficiary of Indian Judicial System
 


Azad sahab must be feeling so helpless .He predicted the condition of the Indian Muslims almost four decades ago and he was so right also pay attention to the reason he gives for their present condition.
 
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No one should 'JUSTIFY' communal massacres
84 Delhi
89 Bhagalpur
92-93 Bombay
2002 Gujrat
are the recent ones that come to mind .

Its the failiure of the centre , state and civil bureaucracy and law enforcement agencies as a whole . Pogroms can never be justified !
 
Z4XVdNp694o[/media] - Speech of Abul Kalam Azad about separation of Indo-Pak.


Azad sahab must be feeling so helpless .He predicted the condition of the Indian Muslims almost four decades ago and he was so right also pay attention to the reason he gives for their present condition.

Maulana’s predictions about what will happen to Pakistan, if it got created, have come so uncannily true that they almost read like newspaper headlines.


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THE MAN WHO KNEW THE FUTURE
 
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Article In TOI by M J Akbar

Sunday, March 08, 2009

A Flawed Idea

By M J Akbar

Indians and Pakistanis are the same people. Why then have the two nations moved on such divergent arcs over the last six decades? The idea of India is stronger than the Indian, and the idea of Pakistan weaker than the Pakistani. Multi-religious, multi-ethnic, secular, democratic India was an idea that belonged to the future; one-dimensional Pakistan was a concept borrowed from the fears of the past. India has progressed into a modern nation occasionally hampered by backward forces. Pakistan is regressing into a medieval society with a smattering of modern elements.

Pakistan was born out of the wedlock of two inter-related propositions. Its founders argued, without any substantive evidence, that Hindus and Muslims could never live together as equals in a single nation. They imposed a parallel theory, perhaps in an effort to strengthen the argument with an emotive layer, that Islam was in danger on the subcontinent. Pakistan's declared destiny, therefore, was not merely as a refuge for some Indian Muslims, but also a fortress of the faith. This was the rationale for what became known as the "two-nation theory". The British bought the argument, the Congress accepted it reluctantly, the Muslim League exulted.

The Indian state was founded on equality and equity: political equality through democracy, religious equality through secularism, gender equality, and economic equity. Economic equality is a fantasy, but without an equitable economy that works towards the elimination of poverty there cannot be a sustainable state. India, therefore, saw land reforms and the abolition of zamindari. Pakistan has been unable to enforce land reforms. India and Pakistan were alternative models for a nation-state. Time would determine which idea had the legs to reach a modern horizon.

The two strands within Pakistan's DNA began to slowly split its personality. The father of the nation, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, thought he had produced a child in his own image, but his secular prescription was soon suppressed. His ideas were buried at his funeral. His heirs began to concede space to mullahs like Maulana Maudoodi who asked, in essence, that if Pakistan had been created to defend Islam, then who would be its best guardians?

After some debate, the first Constitution in 1956 proclaimed Pakistan as an "Islamic" state. It was an uneasy compromise. No one cared (or dared) to examine what it might mean. The principal institutions of state, and the economy, remained largely in the control of the secular tendency until, through racist prejudice, arrogance and awesome military incompetence it was unable to protect the integrity of the nation. The crisis of 1969-1971, and the second partition of the subcontinent, which created a Muslim-majority Bangladesh out of a Muslim-majority Pakistan, forced Pakistan to introspect deeply about its identity.

Perhaps the last true secularist of this Islamic state was the Western-Oriented-Gentleman Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who came to power in 1971, preached emancipation from poverty and did not mind a spot of whisky in the evening. By the end of his six years in office, he had imposed prohibition. The ground had begun to shift even before the coup that brought Gen Zia to power.

Zia had the answer to his own question: if Islam was the cement of Pakistan, how could you expect the edifice to survive if the cement had been diluted. Islam became the ideology of the state, not as a liberal and liberating influence, but in its Wahabi manifestation: compulsory prayers in government offices, public flogging, the worst form of gender bias in legislation, the conversion of history into anti-Hindu and anti-Indian fantasy, a distorted school curriculum, with "Islamic knowledge" becoming a criterion for selection to academic posts. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan provided the excuse for the adoption of "jihad" as state policy as well as a medley of irregular forces, liberally funded by American and Saudi money. The madrassas became not only the supply factories for irregular soldiers, but also the breeding ground for armed bands that are holding Pakistan hostage today.

If it had been only a question of an individual's excesses Zia's death could have been a swivel moment for the restoration of the pre-Zia era, particularly since his successor was Benazir Bhutto. But in the quarter century since his sudden death by mid-air explosion, no one in Islamabad has had the courage to change the curriculum or challenge the spread of the madrassas. There are now over 20,000 of them, with perhaps two million students, most (not all) of them controlled by extremists. Worse, prompted by thoughtless advice, Benazir engineered the rise of the Taliban and helped it conquer Kabul. The children of Gen Zia are now threatening Islamabad. Sometimes a simple fact can illuminate the nature of a society. During the 2005 earthquake, male students of the Frontier Medical College were stopped by religious fanatics - their elders - from saving girls from the rubble of their school building. The girls were allowed to die rather than be "polluted" by the male touch. This would be inconceivable in India.

For six decades, power in Pakistan has teetered between military dictatorship and civilian rule. When the credibility of civilians was exhausted the people welcomed the army; when the generals overstayed their welcome, the citizen returned to political parties. Pakistan is facing a dangerous moment, when the credibility of both the military and politicians seems to have ebbed beyond recovery. How long before the poor and the middle classes turn to the theocrats waiting to take over? The state has already handed over a province like Swat to Islamic rule. Men like Baitullah Mehsud, Mangal Bagh and Maulana Faziullah are a very different breed from the mullahs who have already been co-opted and corrupted by the system. They have a supplementary query which resonates with the street and the village after 9/11: why is Pakistan's army fighting America's war against fellow Muslims? Any suggestion that Pakistan might have become a much larger base for terrorists than Afghanistan ever was is met with the usual response, denial.

On the day that terrorists attacked Sri Lankan cricketers, I had a previously arranged speaking engagement at a university in Delhi before largely Muslim students. I began with the suggestion that every Indian Muslim should offer a special, public prayer of thanks to the Almighty Allah for His extraordinary benevolence - for the mercy He had shown by preventing us from ending up in Pakistan in 1947. The suggestion was received with startled amusement, instinctive applause and a palpable sense of sheer relief.
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M.J. Akbar - Author and Veteran Journalist: A Flawed Idea
 
Article In TOI by M J Akbar

Sunday, March 08, 2009

A Flawed Idea

By M J Akbar

Sometimes a simple fact can illuminate the nature of a society. During the 2005 earthquake, male students of the Frontier Medical College were stopped by religious fanatics - their elders - from saving girls from the rubble of their school building. The girls were allowed to die rather than be "polluted" by the male touch. This would be inconceivable in India.


On the day that terrorists attacked Sri Lankan cricketers, I had a previously arranged speaking engagement at a university in Delhi before largely Muslim students. I began with the suggestion that every Indian Muslim should offer a special, public prayer of thanks to the Almighty Allah for His extraordinary benevolence - for the mercy He had shown by preventing us from ending up in Pakistan in 1947. The suggestion was received with startled amusement, instinctive applause and a palpable sense of sheer relief.
Posted by M J Akbar at 15:08



M.J. Akbar - Author and Veteran Journalist: A Flawed Idea


para1:medical students prevented from saving life because they should not touch women?????the basic medial ethos goes to the drain with this......people who feared the fanatics and left the girls to die- i believe would never have become able/competant doctors.......this is the most pathetic thing i ve ever come across...


para2:this makes me wonder why ?pakistani's cant stop caring about indian muslims!!!!
 
Those of you making comments about Indian Muslim, you never been to Indian. Infact majority of you haven't outside your PIND, you left you pind and went to Neitherland or England. You don't even know how much problems Pakistani face everyday.

You should realize that majority of Muslims living in India are Happy and they don't want to come to Pakistan. Just like Pakistan, India Muslims have their problems, Hindu-Muslim riots in volatile places like Gujrat and Bombay , etc.
 
Indian Muslims living under worse Condition
1, Asim Premji

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an Indian engineer and businessman. He is the Chairman of Wipro, one of the largest software companies in India. Azim Premji was rated the richest person in the country from 1999 to 2005 as per Forbes[4]. His wealth in 2009 was estimated at US$5.7 billion which places him as the fifth richest Indian.

Show me a Pakistani MUSLIM business man who is as powerfull him in Business


2, Sarukh Khan


sometimes credited as Shah Rukh Khan, is an Indian actor and a prominent Bollywood figure, as well as a film producer and television host. In 2008, Newsweek named him one of the 50 most powerful people in the world.

Now show me a Pakistani MUSLIM Actor/Actress who is as powerfull and popular as him

3, Dr.A.P.J. Abdul Kalam

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Avul Pakir Jainulabdeen Abdul Kalam was born October 15, 1931, Tamil Nadu, India, usually referred to as Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalam, was the eleventh President of India, serving from 2002 to 2007,he was elected during the rule of the Bharatiya Janata Party, led ruling coalition, under prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. During his term as President, he was popularly known as the People's President. we call him people's president and by the way according to some pakistani's all Indian people are Hindus.:rolleyes: he worked as an aeronautical engineer with DRDO and ISRO. He is popularly known as the Missile Man of India for his work on development of ballistic missile and space rocket technology. In India he is highly respected as a scientist and as an engineer.

Now show me a Pakistani MUSLIM politician who as is powerfull, popular and intellectual as him.


Now ive given u people from Business, Enternainment and Political fields and they are at the top. I think I made my point loud and clear!
 
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