Arundhati Roy Says ‘Kashmir should get Azadi from bhookhe-nange Hindustan’

[LaBong]

Indian bunya never give any thing we know his meaness thats why we see people of india fighting for rights
I mean look at kashmir , assam and Maoist areas. what a disgrace to mean Banya

^Hey boy see below how your dear friend described you!!

no no it wont be offending

it will only expose ur lack of Knowledge and i will enjoy ur lowness

 

[riju78]

Don’t pity us, Arundhati – not yet

Insofar as putting thoughts into words go, I guess I’m not really qualified to take up an issue with Arundhati Roy; she’s a globally acknowledged, indeed, acclaimed writer, while I am no more than an inconsequential rarely-read salaried cog in the gigantic wheels of the print media. Having said that, I am very clear that I don’t want my share of the accumulated pity that she thinks the nation collectively merits. So, here’s my inadequate submission:

Arundhati has said that she “spoke about justice for the people of Kashmir who live under one of the most brutal military occupations in the world; for Kashmiri Pandits who live out the tragedy of having been driven out of their homeland; for Dalit soldiers killed in Kashmir whose graves I visited on garbage heaps in their villages in Cuddalore; for the Indian poor who pay the price of this occupation in material ways and who are now learning to live in the terror of what is becoming a police state.”

I disagree with the effortless branding of Kashmir as “one of the most brutal military occupations in the world” – it is not pleasant, today, I am sure, but from 1948 to say, at least 1988, a period of well over four decades, Kashmir was a part of what we consider India – merged, integrated, acceded, depends on whom you ask – and for those four decades it was not part of India on the strength of a “brutal military occupation”. Unlike German soldiers marching into Poland or Chinese troops invading Tibet, India did not have to “invade” Kashmir and then hold it from Day One by administering martial law or its equivalent. I don’t mean to sound cheesy, but for years and years Bollywood didn’t churn out those scenes of a beautiful, peaceful, idyllic Kashmir on the strength of shooting crews backed by hundreds of ‘brutal soldiers’ trying to create a pretence of normal, peaceful life. That’s just how it was. Someone worked to change it. The question is – who?

Punjab, too, faced a decade of insurgency, something which we forget all too easily today. But it wasn’t ‘occupied’ prior to that, it isn’t ‘occupied’ today. Kashmir has faced more than a decade of insurgency, agreed, but to portray it as if everyone in Kashmir for all time has been subject to “one of the most brutal military occupations” does no justice to the intellect which Arundhati obviously possesses – more so in the context of the fact that the other friendly democratic states that border Kashmir, namely Pakistan and China, have no noticeable tradition of tender loving care extended by their respective militaries to people who question whether they belong to those states.

Having lived and worked in J&K for many years, as an editor, I have carried stories about remote hilly villages where terrorists surrounded hamlets of Gujjars and slit the throats of two dozen villagers to indicate the price of ‘cooperation’ extended to security forces patrolling the hills. When Bill Clinton came to India, we saw the carnage of 36 Sikhs in Chatttisinghpora – something which Arundhati’s comrade in arms, Syed Ali Shah Geeelani, incredibly enough, still reiterates was ‘done by India to defame Kashmiris’. There is no dearth of such instances – I quote only a couple to remind us all that Kashmir’s brutal occupation is not quite as much of an innocent-lambs-being-led-to-slaughter scenario as Ms Roy perhaps sees it as.

When Arundhati says that she speaks for justice “for Kashmiri Pandits who live out the tragedy of having been driven out of their homeland”, it is too ridiculous to even merit comment, given that she wants that justice to come while she shares a dias with Geelani. They were ‘driven out of their homeland’, Arundhati, by the brutal military occupiers of Kashmir, or by someone else? Driven out by whom? Why leave it to delightful ambiguities here? I do not know if Kashmiri Pandits give any weightage to her speaking ostensibly on their behalf. And the statistical chances of Pandits returning to Kashmir if the brutal military occupation ends tomorrow are slimmer than of Arundhati joining the BJP.

Arundhati seeks justice, too, “for Dalit soldiers killed in Kashmir whose graves I visited on garbage heaps in their villages in Cuddalore.” This is slick if you are writing a column for a foreign audience, the way Aussie ‘experts’ wrote on the caste composition of the Indian cricket team during the Bhajji-Symonds spat, but, hello, “Dalit soldiers” killed in Kashmir die in situations different from upper caste soldiers or Sikh soldiers or Muslim soldiers – or local, Kashmiri Muslim policemen? Don’t insult our intelligence, and the Army’s basic DNA, with this line of argument. You wish to be the defender of the rights of those oppressed in Kashmir, of the Pandits, and of the “Dalit soldiers” from among the troops who die there day in and day out? Sorry, this is just not real, it’s just not genuine, even if it is possibly good homework for global awards coming your way as defender of the rights of all oppressed sections in this part of the world.

Arundhati’s also looking for justice “for the Indian poor who pay the price of this occupation in material ways and who are now learning to live in the terror of what is becoming a police state”, but I have little comment to offer on this because, frankly, it is a little too esoteric for me to understand the point. I understand that India is in selective ways and selective zones a police state of sorts, but how insensitive policing in interior Bihar is attributable to Kashmir’s status – and how Azadi will address that – must have a subtle connect which my everyday, non literary mind has singularly failed to grasp. But then, we are all not blessed with equal talents.

Anyway, this is not one of Ms Roy’s essays, so I daren’t type away endlessly. I’ll conclude.

You say, Arundhati, “pity the nation that has to silence its writers for speaking their minds. Pity the nation that needs to jail those who ask for justice, while communal killers, mass murderers, corporate scamsters, looters, rapists, and those who prey on the poorest of the poor, roam free.” I say, you are jumping the gun. Neither have you been silenced at any point for speaking your mind – distasteful as it may be to many when it veers towards applauding anyone willing to kill an Indian soldier, be it a Naxal in Chattisgarh or a terrorist in Kashmir – nor does the nation need to be pitied. Yet. Writers and dissidents are silenced, in friendlier and I suppose less ‘brutal’ societies such as Pakistan, China, Myanmar, but the very fact that you can issue statements and notes challenging the same to be done here is, perhaps, the strongest negation of those statements. Yes, many murderers, scamsters and rapists still roam free, and no, we aren't proud of that in the least, but no, you haven’t been jailed for asking for justice. And I don’t see that happening. Truth be told, I think you don’t see it happening either.

So while one gives all credit to your intellectual prowess, I don’t think this overdose of pity for the nation is quite deserved. It's a lot of hyperbole. As part of ‘the nation’, even if just one-billionth, I respectfully wish to return my proportion of pity offered by you, Ms Roy. Please accept it. And while you’re at it, pass it on to Mr Geelani; I daresay he needs it more.

Excellent article..... I have asked dear jana quite a few times that why was there peace in Kashmir till 89.... she never replied as usual .... after reading all ur rants here let me ask u again... thanks

 

[riju78]

no no it wont be offending

it will only expose ur lack of Knowledge and i will enjoy ur lowness

So u admit ur lack of knowledge and that we can enjoy ur lowness....thank u

 

[faisaljaffery]

Its right more than 50% of the indian population is bhooki and nangi.. they dont have food to feed their childeren and india is dreaming of regional super power. its seems like a joke

 

[Bill Longley]

^Hey boy see below how your dear friend described you!!

boy so you deny this?

communities from the Vaishya social order of the Indian caste system are generally known as banias[2] while in other cases, it is used as an occupational term referring to various businesspeople and other traders irrespective of their caste.Bania's comprise of the most wealthy people[3]
Bania is derived from the Sanskrit word Banijya which means trade and commerce.[4] [5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bania_(caste)

The Tribes and Castes of the Central ... - Google Books

 

[LaBong]

boy so you deny this?

Like all of you aren't cave-dwellers, all of us not belong to that group. And a majority of us don't believe in Caste system.

Also you didn't mean bania in it's actual sense but used it in a derogatory way, in that way cave-dwellers ain't an offensive word as well! You dwell in caves, what's the big deal!

 

[Bill Longley]

So u admit ur lack of knowledge and that we can enjoy ur lowness....thank u

read my answer then come up with argument

I enjoy kicking lowlife thugs like you people

 

[Bill Longley]

Like all of you aren't cave-dwellers, all of us not belong to that group. And a majority of us don't believe in Caste system.

Also you didn't mean bania in it's actual sense but used it in a derogatory way, in that way cave-dwellers ain't an offensive word as well! You dwell in caves, what's the big deal!

hmmm
who are cave dwellers?
plz simplify so that i can answer

and boy meaness in blood of dwellers of caste infested indians

treatment of dalits prove what i say

 

[LaBong]

hmmm
who are cave dwellers?
plz simplify so that i can answer

and boy meaness in blood of dwellers of caste infested indians

treatment of dalits prove what i say

Like I said, those who dwell in caves, find out who!

Treatment of Dalits and Caste system have been discussed to death in this forum, don't want to derail the topic. All I can say, they have been treated better than you treat your fellow people subscribed to similar faith in your country.

 

[Bill Longley]

Like I said, those who dwell in caves, find out who!

Treatment of Dalits and Caste system have been discussed to death in this forum, don't want to derail the topic. All I can say, they have been treated better than you treat your fellow people subscribed to similar faith in your country.

boy who live in caves?

answer me

 

[LaBong]

boy who live in caves?

answer me

Will you stop appending boy to your every post if I take back calling boy to you, pretty please! Gah you're resilient!

Here is your answer:
Stereotyped in their own country – The Express Tribune

 

[monitor]

what aurandhi said is liberation of kashmir from india ,how pakstan will fill if the azad kashmiries too want to form a kashmir with indian occupied kashmiries ? its true that pakistan have done every thing it could for the right of kashmiries people for the last six decade .but i think the young generation's passion for pakiatan will not be the same as of there earlier generation .

 

[riju78]

read my answer then come up with argument

I enjoy kicking lowlife thugs like you people

Ho Ho... u just answered a lot of questions on what u r...so I give up..bye

 

[Bill Longley]

Stop this nonsense of caves you bigot. Go and kill a few more Ahmadiyas and Shias, finish your quota for the day, then come and talk to me about Dalit discrimination, which has almost died out. And even in the places where it does exist, at least they are not bombed and maimed, unlike the land of the pure where bombings and other murderous assaults take place on minorities on a daily basis.

is this ur best shot ?


daily basis you mean like Kashmir, Ahmed abad..... gosh list is long

 

[Bhairava]

is this ur best shot ?


daily basis you mean like Kashmir, Ahmed abad..... gosh list is long

Nope....like in Karachi,Quetta etc....Gosh if I start listing the places..this website will run out of bandwidth.