Arjun-II MBT development l Updates & discussion.

[Krate M]

open another thread on kargil story, the thread is on arjun mbt. In brief, your post is factually incorrect.

I wish I had the link to prove it. But the gist of it was that mk1 failed and was immediately withdrawn after kargil. Stingers and mk2 worked. But mk2 numbers were not high.
Wikipedia says mk1 withdrawn in just 9 yrs.
If I find the link I will open the thread.

 

[Dazzler]

I wish I had the link to prove it. But the gist of it was that mk1 failed and was immediately withdrawn after kargil. Stingers and mk2 worked. But mk2 numbers were not high.
Wikipedia says mk1 withdrawn in just 9 yrs.
If I find the link I will open the thread.

open a new thread when you find one, spare this thread. Afterall, it is on Arjun isnt it

 

[Krate M]

open a new thread when you find one, spare this thread. Afterall, it is on Arjun isnt it

Sure thing mate, will link you too. Back to regular program

 

[Capt.Popeye]

prove it or it never happened. as far as BS is concerned, there exists many variants with single/tandem warheads are wire/ mmw guidance. No stinger was used in kargil, anza was enough for migs.

now if you want to rant further, open a new thread or stay on topic.

LOLLLL, who gives a ratsa$$ what you want to believe!
I said what I did on the basis of 'substantiated information' including my own eye-witness experience.
But just to point you in the right direction; just check with @Ulla; he even posted some pictures of part of the stock-pile here on pdf........
But getting that stuff was a breakthrough........... helped to fine-tune all the CMs.

 

[chairborne ranger]

The pic in question, is for the rounds the arjun was tested with. Thee tech had remained static mostly.
Currently, RHAe on the new rounds, which are operationalised, as claimed by ARCI scientists is somewhere between 570-590mm. Obviously, they are looking at producing better penetrators, but for all its worth, at this point of time, these are the rounds being produced..

Mk2 was linked to the development of a better round as well.
These were reveled to public for this year's DEFEXPO.

 

[sathya]

What missile development or procurement, we are planning post lahat failure ?

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

What missile development or procurement, we are planning post lahat failure ?

Cannon launched,Laser Guided Missile(CLGM):Test fired in 2013

CLGM Testfired: The DRDO on Monday conducted tests of an advanced version of Cannon-launched Laser Guided Missile (CLGM) from the ITR here.

Three rounds of the missile were test-fired from a specially built launcher at the launching complex-II of ITR. A defence official said the missile destroyed the targets as expected.

“The tests were conducted in between 3.30 pm and 4.30 pm during low tide period. There will be one more round of test on Tuesday,” he said.

DRDO readies for tests of Pinaka versions -The New Indian Express

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Mark 1 practicing at Thar.

 

[skysthelimit]

India Gives In to Russia's Terms For High-Priced Tank Ammunition
Oct. 21, 2014 - 03:45AM | By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI

NEW DELHI — The Indian Defence Ministry — faced with a shortage of ammunition for its Russian-made T-90 tanks, coupled with an inability to produce ammunition at home — has no choice but to give in to Russian terms and purchase marked-up ammo from Moscow, an MoD source said.

The MoD reluctantly agreed to the deal last month, despite the fact that Russia hiked the price by 20 percent and refused to accept offset obligations.

Russia will receive a $197 million contract for the fin-stabilized armor-piercing discarding sabot. In 2011, the asking price for the same order was $163 million.

Besides jacking up the price, the Russians also refused to transfer technology for making the rounds to the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), a demand India has been making for the past five years, the MoD source added. A diplomat from the Russian Embassy merely said the sale of T-90 ammunition was on agreed-upon terms, and refused to give details.

India was forced to agree to the terms because OFB’s efforts at making the ammunition failed, an Indian Army official said.

“India bought T-90 tanks from Russia without transfer of technology for ammunition, which has resulted in perpetual shortages for the ammunition,” the official said.

“There were reportedly multiple problems in procurement of T-90 tank ammunition,” said Rahul Bhonsle, retired Indian Army brigadier general and defense analyst. “The ammunition produced in India was not compatible with the fire-control system of the tanks, thus these have to be modified. The Defence Research and Development Organisation [DRDO] has not been able to resolve the problem, hence there is a challenge. Meanwhile, there was apparently no fallback plan, thus orders had to be made to the single supplier, which hiked the prices thus compounding the problems.”

A DRDO official said technology for the ammunition actually has been developed and transferred to OFB.

The Indian Army official, however, said the ammunition developed by DRDO is only for the T-72 tanks. The ammunition failed when it was used in the T-90 tanks.

“The OFB has failed to produce ammunition for T-90 tanks because it is far more sophisticated than ammunition for Russian made T-72 tanks,” Bhonsle said. “Because in the case of T-90 ammunition, there are intricate linkages with the fire-control computer.”

“The way out of the ammunition crisis is the need to tie up with overseas original equipment manufactures [OEMs],” said defense analyst Nitin Mehta. The rise in demand for T-90 ammunition as the fleet strength increases will be an attraction for OEMs to come forward to partner with Indian companies in producing the required ammunition, Mehta said.

The Indian Army operates more than 500 T-90 tanks, and plans to increase the strength to more than 1,300 by 2020 through license-production at Indian facilities.

An executive at a domestic private company said OFB has a monopoly on ammunition.

“The private companies [focus on] propellant and explosives, and not in the filling of the shell or rocket motor,” the executive said.

India Gives In to Russia's Terms For High-Priced Tank Ammunition | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[Gessler]

India Gives In to Russia's Terms For High-Priced Tank Ammunition
Oct. 21, 2014 - 03:45AM | By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI

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NEW DELHI — The Indian Defence Ministry — faced with a shortage of ammunition for its Russian-made T-90 tanks, coupled with an inability to produce ammunition at home — has no choice but to give in to Russian terms and purchase marked-up ammo from Moscow, an MoD source said.

The MoD reluctantly agreed to the deal last month, despite the fact that Russia hiked the price by 20 percent and refused to accept offset obligations.

Russia will receive a $197 million contract for the fin-stabilized armor-piercing discarding sabot. In 2011, the asking price for the same order was $163 million.

Besides jacking up the price, the Russians also refused to transfer technology for making the rounds to the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), a demand India has been making for the past five years, the MoD source added. A diplomat from the Russian Embassy merely said the sale of T-90 ammunition was on agreed-upon terms, and refused to give details.

India was forced to agree to the terms because OFB’s efforts at making the ammunition failed, an Indian Army official said.

“India bought T-90 tanks from Russia without transfer of technology for ammunition, which has resulted in perpetual shortages for the ammunition,” the official said.

“There were reportedly multiple problems in procurement of T-90 tank ammunition,” said Rahul Bhonsle, retired Indian Army brigadier general and defense analyst. “The ammunition produced in India was not compatible with the fire-control system of the tanks, thus these have to be modified. The Defence Research and Development Organisation [DRDO] has not been able to resolve the problem, hence there is a challenge. Meanwhile, there was apparently no fallback plan, thus orders had to be made to the single supplier, which hiked the prices thus compounding the problems.”

A DRDO official said technology for the ammunition actually has been developed and transferred to OFB.

The Indian Army official, however, said the ammunition developed by DRDO is only for the T-72 tanks. The ammunition failed when it was used in the T-90 tanks.

“The OFB has failed to produce ammunition for T-90 tanks because it is far more sophisticated than ammunition for Russian made T-72 tanks,” Bhonsle said. “Because in the case of T-90 ammunition, there are intricate linkages with the fire-control computer.”

“The way out of the ammunition crisis is the need to tie up with overseas original equipment manufactures [OEMs],” said defense analyst Nitin Mehta. The rise in demand for T-90 ammunition as the fleet strength increases will be an attraction for OEMs to come forward to partner with Indian companies in producing the required ammunition, Mehta said.

The Indian Army operates more than 500 T-90 tanks, and plans to increase the strength to more than 1,300 by 2020 through license-production at Indian facilities.

An executive at a domestic private company said OFB has a monopoly on ammunition.

“The private companies [focus on] propellant and explosives, and not in the filling of the shell or rocket motor,” the executive said.

India Gives In to Russia's Terms For High-Priced Tank Ammunition | Defense News | defensenews.com

What's this doing in Arjun Mk-2 thread?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Demo of Mark 1.

 

[ashish1]

Demo of Mark 1.

Saw this tank very closely.

 

[ni8mare]

There is lot of confusion regarding the penetration power of DRDO T-1 FSAPDS round.
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On one it says penetration 300 RHA @ 2000m, while other says its capable of defeating triple heavy standard NATO target @ 5000m. What is the relation between RHA and Triple heavy NATO target and how does this fair when compared to other 120mm FSAPDS?

T-1 is discontinued in favour of capable israeli rounds
now they made this ............check this....

 

[Daedalus]

T-1 is discontinued in favour of capable israeli rounds
now they made this ............check this....

I know that. Check my post #443.

 

[Penguin]

India Gives In to Russia's Terms For High-Priced Tank Ammunition
Oct. 21, 2014 - 03:45AM | By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI

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The Indian Army official, however, said the ammunition developed by DRDO is only for the T-72 tanks. The ammunition failed when it was used in the T-90 tanks.

“The OFB has failed to produce ammunition for T-90 tanks because it is far more sophisticated than ammunition for Russian made T-72 tanks,” Bhonsle said. “Because in the case of T-90 ammunition, there are intricate linkages with the fire-control computer.”

Do not both use the 125mm 2A46 smoothbore tank gun?
Can't India get ammunition from elsewehere (e.g. Ukraine ;-)