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December 20, 2018 Topic: Security Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: JapanJapanese NavyAircraft CarriersChinaF-35B

This might be a bad idea. Here's why.

by [URL='https://nationalinterest.org/profile/michael-peck']Michael Peck
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Japan has a plan: convert its anti-submarine helicopter carriers into aircraft carriers that can operate fixed-wing U.S. F-35B fighters.

But does this mean that Japan gains a useful aircraft carrier—or loses a powerful anti-submarine ship while gaining a marginally useful aircraft carrier?

“The issue is whether Japan really needs this capability,” says Asian security scholar Corey Wallace. “F-35Bs make sense given Japan's far-flung islands with small airfields. But the risk here is turning a powerful ASW [anti-submarine warfare] and amphibious platform, which also has major utility for disaster response, into a training carrier."

At the heart of the question is the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force’s “helicopter destroyers,” which actually resemble small, flat top aircraft carriers. The two 13,000-ton ˆ-class and the two 19,000-ton Izumo-class vessels, each equipped with a small squadron of helicopters, are ostensibly intended for anti-submarine and amphibious operations. Not calling them “aircraft carriers” is an important distinction, because Japan’s post-World War II constitution forbids offensive weapons, of which a conventional American-style aircraft carrier might be considered one.

But Japan appears to be crossing the aircraft carrier Rubicon. Japan has announced plans to buy forty-two U.S. F-35B stealth fighters and to convert the helicopter destroyer Izumo to operate them. The F-35B is the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) variant of the F-35: they can be launched from an inclined “ski jump” flight deck on a carrier, and then land vertically like a helicopter. This allows small carriers with short decks to operate STOVL aircraft, like the F-35B, where long decks and catapults are needed for conventional aircraft like the F-18E/F Super Hornet.


Warships, like any mechanical design, involve trade-offs. The question is what Japan is giving up to gain a modest carrier capability. “The Hyuga-class carriers can carry up to some 20 F-35B fighters,” Narushige Michishita, a security expert at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo, told the National Interest .

“However, the Hyuga-class carriers do not have a ski-jump deck, let alone catapult, seriously limiting the F-35B’s operational radius. More important, if you put too many F-35Bs on a Hyuga, it will undermine its anti-submarine warfare capability, which is the most important mission of the ship. I would, therefore, say that the most important objective of putting F-35Bs on Hyuga is to improve its air defense capability so that it can conduct anti-submarine warfare operations in the hostile environment.”


Asian security expert Ben Rimland says Japanese carriers reflect a change in policy regarding Japanese islands that are claimed by China. “Purchasing V/STOL aircraft, and their likely stationing aboard modified Izumo-class helicopter carriers means that Japan is committed to a policy of base dispersal in the Ryukyu island chain,” Rimland told the National Interest . “This will likely feature ad-hoc airfields on smaller islands, in addition to the new aircraft carriers, serving to create multiple vectors of attack. This will undoubtedly complicate the jobs of Chinese planners.”

Rimland says it isn’t yet clear whether the F-35Bs will be operated by the Japanese Navy or by the Air Force. If it’s the air force, this will be another example of the Ministry of Defense pushing for the military services to learn to operate jointly. “I would expect that this pushes the ASDF and MSDF to adopt common tactical data links like cooperative engagement capability to create a common operational picture,” Rimland adds. “The ASDF would also be expected to protect MSDF vessels, assuming that at least a few F-35Bs would be dedicated to a CAP [combat air patrol] around the carrier.”

Because the Izumos are not real carriers, Rimland also expects the Izumos will serve as training vessels to practice carrier operations. He likens them to the Liaoning, the old ex-Soviet carrier acquired by China as its first carrier, a precursor to more capable Chinese-built carriers.

Michael Peck is a contributing writer for the National Interest. He can be found on Twitter and Facebook.

Image: Wikimedia Commons.

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F-35Bs on carriers can devastate the chinese naval surface fleet
 
F-35B is not built for carrier op. Plus it's too fat and slow for air combat. F-35 was never built for air combat in the first place. Big planes like J-20 and Su-57 would eat it alive.

If it isn’t built for air combat than for what ? Amazon drone delivery service ? Can’t be as it’s not even a drone. No ?
 
If it isn’t built for air combat than for what ? Amazon drone delivery service ? Can’t be as it’s not even a drone. No ?

It's JSF Joint Strike Fighter. Like Su-34, it's built for attack.

In war, when F 35 will meet J 20, F 35 will shoot down J 20 even before later can see fromer.

BS. J-20 is F-15 size. F-35 is F-16 size. F-15 trumps F-16 in air combat every time. F-16 is only a cheap supplement to F-15.
 
In war, when F 35 will meet J 20, F 35 will shoot down J 20 even before later can see fromer.
No, J-20 is far too stealth. Remember American willing to sell F-35 junk overseas then sell F-22. That shows F-35 is not good enough. J-20 is not for sale too. So it equivalent to F-22. :enjoy:

J-20 will shot down F-35 first. Its a real fighter jet, better kinetic level of delivery of air to air mission and larger AESA radar than F-35. :enjoy:
 
F-35B is not built for carrier op. Plus it's too fat and slow for air combat. F-35 was never built for air combat in the first place. Big planes like J-20 and Su-57 would eat it alive.

PLAAF does not have su-57s. Nobody knows what the J-20 does
 
Indian is king of boasting..... They will claim LCA is even better than F-22 raptor. Everything is fart. :enjoy:
Your comment is as good as zero.

But chinses detecting F 22 450 km is a gospel truth !!
 
F-35B is not built for carrier op. Plus it's too fat and slow for air combat. F-35 was never built for air combat in the first place. Big planes like J-20 and Su-57 would eat it alive.
Do us all a favor; quit PDF.

If it isn’t built for air combat than for what ? Amazon drone delivery service ? Can’t be as it’s not even a drone. No ?
Don't bother with him.

No, J-20 is far too stealth.
FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/f-22...ade-jet-fighters.566560/page-11#post-11003614

Remember American willing to sell F-35 junk overseas then sell F-22. That shows F-35 is not good enough. J-20 is not for sale too. So it equivalent to F-22. :enjoy:
Fantastic logic.

J-20 is not for export because it is equipped with the best of Chinese technologies (China is hesitant to share these technologies with others; political decision), but this FACTOR [on its own] does not suggest parity with F-22A because the two aircraft do not have much in common.

J-20 will shot down F-35 first. Its a real fighter jet, better kinetic level of delivery of air to air mission and larger AESA radar than F-35. :enjoy:
Click the link above.

Larger AESA radar translate into what exactly? F-35 is VLO in the X-band frequency range, so it does not matter how big the X-Band radar system of J-20 is, because it will be useless [on its own].
 
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