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Apple's center of gravity is China, not Cupertino​


Oct 6, 2023, 9:35 PM GMT+8

Apple CEO Tim Cook attends China Development Forum in 2017

Apple CEO Tim Cook has described the company's relationship with China as a "symbiotic" one. Visual China Group via Getty Images
  • Apple might be headquartered in Cupertino but its heart is in China.
  • Its devices are still manufactured there, and Greater China accounts for growing sales.
  • Apple has already made concessions to the CCP.
Apple's leadership may operate from the 175-acre, tree-covered campus in sunny Cupertino, California but, in reality, the company's center of gravity is in China.

That's looking like an urgent problem, given geopolitical tensions are growing between the US and China and Apple remains the world's most valuable tech company.

Since 2001, China has become the single-most important place for Apple to build its devices, from iPods in the 2000s to iPhones today.

Roughly 95% of Apple products including iPhones, AirPods, Macs and iPads are reported to be made in China. While Apple is moving some manufacturing to India, experts think progress will be slow.

Taiwan-based Isaiah Research, a supply-chain consultancy, estimated to Insider that the tech giant will still be producing up to 83% of iPhones in China, and just 23% or less in India.

As yet, no Asian country can match China's prowess in manufacturing.

There are other dependencies.

Taiwan-based Foxconn, arguably Apple's most important contractor, is the largest private employer in China. Apple has around 1 million employees, and supports around another 4 million jobs through its manufacturing and tech ecosystems, according to the company's Chinese website. And more recently, Apple has entrusted the assembly of its upcoming Vision Pro mixed-reality goggles to a Chinese contract manufacturer.

All of this is immensely awkward for Apple. Its hardware dependence on China weakens its defenses against, say, the whims of Beijing's censorship of software, an under-considered geopolitical battleground.

Despite its initial protests, Apple now enforcing new rules in China that mean new apps must be licensed by the government before they can launch on the China App Store. In other words, the Chinese government has direct refusal power to allow Apple apps, though it isn't clear yet whether any apps have been affected. (Google's Play Store isn't available in China.) Equivalent power for the US government seems unthinkable.

"The real impact of this approval process is it underscores the increasing tensions between China and the West," Gene Munster, managing partner at Deepwater Asset Management and a longtime Apple watcher, wrote on X.

Jay Newman, a former hedge fund manager at Elliott Management, has previously commented how "even small shifts risk retaliation by Chinese overlords who might retaliate by turning Chinese consumers against Apple products."

It's already happening.

Though Apple's new iPhone 15 has been flying off the shelves in China, the Mate 60 Pro — a new 5G smartphone released in August by Chinese tech giant Huawei — has been championed as a symbol of China's growing independence from the West. And multiple media outlets reported that China had banned iPhones for government staffers, knocking its share price.

Apple CEO Tim Cook likes to present the company's decades-long involvement with China as a cause for celebration.

At the high-profile China Development Forum in Beijing in March, he said: "This has been a symbiotic kind of relationship."

It's not clear China sees it that way.

 
Cupertino is heart of Apple's engineering

China manufactures only because Apple provides the blueprints and engineering skills to make them

In case Apple will hedge
Without finding a cost effective and skilled labor in China you simply can't exist.
Or you know more than Apple Ceo.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing.
 
But, Apple US takes about 70% profits of all the Apple products manufactured in China, and China only takes about 5% to 7% of the Apple profits. Something has to change.
 
Without finding a cost effective and skilled labor in China you simply can't exist.
Or you know more than Apple Ceo.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing.

Everything Chinese workers know is from the engineers in Cupertino

Apple CEO is the one moving factories out of China. I am not the one :( I am skeptical of the 50% target in India. I can see 25% getting moved out.
 
Everything Chinese workers know is from the engineers in Cupertino
What a fool you are to make such statement ? You mean all those Chinese higher education and technical schools training mean nothing to you. Try to move all the Apple manufacturing to your India or US then.
 
China is Apple's biggest market, so it's very natural for Apple to have its design and manufacutring in China.
 
China is Apple's biggest market, so it's very natural for Apple to have its design and manufacutring in China.

China accounts for 20% of Apple sales. Apple does not have to make more than in China

What a fool you are to make such statement ? You mean all those Chinese higher education and technical schools training mean nothing to you. Try to move all the Apple manufacturing to your India or US then.

Without the blueprints from Cupertino you cannot build squat
 
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Without the blueprints from Cupertino you cannot build squat
You can't pooh-pooh manufacturing technology, especially high volume consumer product manufacturing that has to be both economical and high quality. All auto manufacturers know the 'blueprint' to build a car; but still why do the buyers prefer Toyota or Honda over some other brand? (Or Mercedes or BMW over some other brand, if you are well-heeled).
 
China accounts for 20% of Apple sales. Apple does not have to make more than in China



Without the blueprints from Cupertino you cannot build squat
Fool, the Americans want to keep most Apple design jobs in US, it's not Chinese engineers not capable technically.
 
China accounts for 20% of Apple sales. Apple does not have to make more than in China

China overtakes U.S. to become biggest iPhone market for the first time ever​

BYSURAJ
AUGUST 30, 2023

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U.S. and China remain the biggest iPhone market for Apple and the two countries have accounted for a major chunk of iPhone sales for the company. While the U.S. ruled the top spot ever since the inception of Apple, in the second quarter of 2023, China has overtaken the U.S. to climb to the first spot.

According to a report by Tech Insights (via The Elec), a global market research firm, China became the country that sold more iPhones than the U.S. in Q2 2023. China accounted for a whopping 24% of global iPhone sales while the U.S. stood at the second position with 21% of global iPhone sales in the particular quarter.

This is the first time in history that China has surpassed the U.S. to become the biggest iPhone market.

According to the research firm, the numbers are “the result of reflecting China’s economic power, the rapidly growing middle class, and Chinese consumers’ preference for premium phones.”

While there is no doubt that the Chinese market has seen unprecedented sales of iPhones, another reason why the Asian country has been able to surpass the U.S. is sluggish sales in the latter.

In the second quarter of 2023, the iPhone sales numbers have declined and the reason behind this could be the upcoming release of new iPhones. It is highly likely that potential buyers are delaying and are waiting for the launch of the new iPhone 15 series to get the latest model, instead of spending on an older iPhone.

iPhone 14 Pro becomes best selling smartphone​

While we are the sales number for iPhones in the second quarter of 2023, another report mentions that the iPhone 14 Pro Max was the best-selling iPhone in the quarter. The analysis comes from Omdia’s Smartphone Model Market Tracker – 2Q23. iPhone 14 Pro Max is the most shipped smartphone worldwide in the first half of this year. The second place is taken up by the iPhone 14 Pro, followed by iPhone 14.

Tech Insights says, “Because the smartphone market is very fluid, it is necessary to understand the complex interaction between market forces, consumer preferences, and economic dynamics.”

If we talk about the global smartphone market in the second quarter of 2023, Samsung remains the leader. The Korean company has shipped 53.5 million units of smartphones and has accounted for 20% market share globally.

The second spot in the global smartphone market is retained by Apple with 43.1 million units of iPhone and accounting for 16% market share in the segment.

 

iPhone 16 trial production to start in Chengdu, China this December​

By Soumyakanti

Oct 5, 2023

According to the tipster, Apple has established a sample production line in Chengdu, China. The leaked timeline suggests that domestic contract manufacturers could begin producing engineering prototypes as early as December. Subsequently, supplier integration and debugging activities are anticipated to take place in March or April of the following year.

The iPhone 15 series, which is already available to consumers, has received mixed reviews, with some critics noting its lack of significant innovation, reports of overheating issues, and concerns about limited changes compared to previous models. Apple appears to be facing increasing competition, especially in the software department, as some basic features available on Android devices are not yet on iOS. Consumers are seeking more from Apple.

iPhone 16 render


However, the upcoming iPhone 16 series, expected to launch next year, holds promise for reinvigorating Apple’s reputation for innovation. This new lineup is expected to feature four models: iPhone 16, iPhone 16 Plus, iPhone 16 Pro, and iPhone 16 Pro Max. These forthcoming models are anticipated to bring significant changes and improvements to the table.

According to past reports, the iPhone 16 is set to introduce a significant design innovation with its borderless design, which aims to reduce borders and enhance the screen-to-body ratio for a wider and more immersive viewing experience. Additionally, the iPhone 16 is expected to utilize new materials to make the phone lighter and thinner while improving durability and grip. While they used Titanium this year on Pro models, it may have resulted in some overheating issues, prompting the need for further refinement.

On the technical side, tipster Mobile Chip Expert has provided insights into the upcoming iPhone 16’s specifications. The base model is expected to feature the A17 chip using the N3E process, mirroring Apple’s recent introduction of the A17 Pro chip for its Pro models. This differentiation between Pro and standard chips might be a cornerstone of Apple’s future strategies.

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Additionally, the iPhone 16 is anticipated to incorporate thinner printed circuit boards (PCBs) made from RCC adhesive-backed copper foil, replacing the former flexible copper substrate.

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This modification could make the device slimmer and pave the way for hardware enhancements such as a larger screen for the Pro models.

 
You can't pooh-pooh manufacturing technology, especially high volume consumer product manufacturing that has to be both economical and high quality. All auto manufacturers know the 'blueprint' to build a car; but still why do the buyers prefer Toyota or Honda over some other brand? (Or Mercedes or BMW over some other brand, if you are well-heeled).

How do you think Apple builds or run their factories in China ? They own every step of the process.

Fool, the Americans want to keep most Apple design jobs in US, it's not Chinese engineers not capable technically.

I never said anything about Chinese engineers. All I am saying the center of gravity is Cupertino not Shenzhen. The blueprint to build is in Cupertino
 
How do you think Apple builds or run their factories in China ? They own every step of the process.



I never said anything about Chinese engineers. All I am saying the center of gravity is Cupertino not Shenzhen. The blueprint to build is in Cupertino
Tim Cook disagrees with you, are you more qualified than him ?
 

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