An untold story: How India got its missile defense

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  1. itsme
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    u can say we reinvented the wheel, as americans and russians had done it much before others. yes we copid the whole concept from them of abm from them and isreal. but its 100% made in india and pak cant make it in 100 yrs. thats the truth:victory::partay:

    u need to broaden ur knowledge. lca, atv, arjun had started much much earlier and the nuclear tests of 1998 were ordered by narsimha rao in 1992 not Mr atal vajeepyee. during vajpayee our forces were in a state of paralysis. they were weakened by him. dont forget the 1999 plane hijack where indian forces couldnt even manage the courage to storm the plane and let it fly like idiots, thats what i call impotence.
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    Who cares if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches the mice..

    Atleast our ABM is not repainted like the missiles they are going to shoot down Viz. Taepodong & M-18 aka. Gauri & Shaheen
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    Yes and the initiative was taken under the BJP govt of PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

    BTW many pakistanis and some indians think Dr APJ Abdul Kalam was nuclear scientist and contributed to indias nuclear program.Thats not correct .Dr APJ Abdul Kalam was a rocket/missile scientist and led the development of india's integrated missile program.
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    does Pakistan have M-9 and M-11? :what:
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    We learned the radar technology but mission computer, missiles other system are our own.
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    [/QUOTE] u need to broaden ur knowledge. lca, atv, arjun had started much much earlier and the nuclear tests of 1998 were ordered by narsimha rao in 1992 not Mr atal vajeepyee. during vajpayee our forces were in a state of paralysis. they were weakened by him. dont forget the 1999 plane hijack where indian forces couldnt even manage the courage to storm the plane and let it fly like idiots, thats what i call impotence.[/QUOTE]

    Well on concept yes but on which stage, it's only under BJP govt, all these programs got pace. Dude just leave plane high-jacking, there are hell lot of incident in history and still we are feeding biryani and spending millions on terrorist.

    Atal ji had shown spine, don't forget nuclear blast which was had put change the power equation and in last 3 decades I can say Pradan Mantri Gramin Sadak Yojana & Golden rectangle sadak yojana are the best plan which had boost the Indian economy

    The main problem of that time was that none of the Indian agencies were prepared or trained in preventing such activities (don't blame Atal ji for that) coz all these are prevented by system not by govt. and don't compare it with any anti terrorist activities done by German or Zeus coz they were allowed to land in airfield by receptive governments were the plane was landed but in this case more terrorist were out side the plain then inside of the plane

    Yes the haft series with green paint remember ..........
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    US(Israel), Russia and India only. China has only shown ASAT, this means they have the know-how but developing such system will take them a decade because of high accuracy, less reaction time and multi layer.

    BMD program is a great success with only one failure. I mean no country has such a great success. Not to mention now LRDE is building a new LRTR by itself which will be 1500 km range. I think it must already be ready.
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    And your problem is gentleman?
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    Even if we take your statement to be true, we are still in a better position.

    We atleast don't buy copied junk and pay again to get them painted in G___N color.
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    Hatf-3 / Shaheen-I / M-11

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    DF-11 / M-11 / CSS-7
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    In 1987 China concluded a deal with Pakistan to sell M-11 missiles and launchers. China delivered unassembled M-11 missiles (300 km/500 kg) to Pakistan in 1993.(1) More than 30 M-11s may be in storage at Pakistan's Sargodha air force base west of Lahore.(2) Other reports suggest that as many as 84 such missiles are deployed at the Sargodha Air Base. (3)

    In the early 1980s China is widely reported to have provided Pakistan with the blueprints for a 1966 design of a U-235 nuclear-implosion device, of the type used in the warhead that China flew on a DF-2A missile during its fourth nuclear test on 27 October 1966. This missile warhead was reported to weigh about 1,300 kilograms with a yield of about 12-25 kt. This warhead design would be too large to be carried on an M-11.

    Pakistan is believed to have a capability to deploy a nuclear warhead using plutonium and weighing around 500 kilograms. The missile has a separating warhead, making it desirable as a nuclear-weapons delivery system. The M-11 does not have the range to reach beyond the Indian Desert to threaten New Delhi or other large population centers.

    In 1991 the United States imposed economic sanctions, based on US law, against both China and Pakistan for China�s transfer of M-11 missile-related equipment. The sanctions were lifted against China in 1992. On 25 August 1993 the United States imposed "Category Two" sanctions against certain Chinese and Pakistani entities that were involved in an M-11 missile-related transfer, which is prohibited under US law. Category Two sanctions -- which are imposed if the transfer "involves certain items in the MTCR (Missile Control Technology Regime) Annex which contribute to missile development" -- require "denial of new export licenses for MTCR Annex items...and denial of US government contracts relating to MTCR Annex items with the sanctioned entities for two years." The sanctions were lifted against China in 1994, when China reaffirmed its 1992 commitment to adhere to the Missile Technology Control Regime [MTCR] and made a number of new, related commitments. However, China remains Pakistan�s principal supplier of missile-related technology. The sanctions against Pakistan were not lifted until they expired in 1995.

    This missile project is managed by the National Defence Complex (NDC), a subsidiary of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) which was formed in 1993. The Shaheen missile program was initiated in 1995 and assigned to the NDC. The Shaheen project used the resources that were available within the various other institutions in Pakistan, supplemented with infrastructure created at the National Development Complex for capabilities which were not available elsewhere in Pakistan. The facilities of SUPARCO were utilized in the Shaheen project, along with the facilities of industry in Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad, Gujranwala, Sialkot, Gujrat and other cities. Missile components from these various facilities were brought to the NDC for final integration.
    On August 25, 1996, R. Jeffrey Smith of The Washington Post reported that U.S. intelligence officials were concerned that a partially completed factory in the suburbs of Rawalpindi would be ready in a year or two to produce "precise duplicates" of the M-11. The National Intelligence Estimate, said to the basis for the report, also stated that Pakistan may have developed nuclear warheads for the M-11, according to Smith.(4)

    The public record does not disclose a consistent basis for application of the "Hatf-3" nomenclature to a specific missile system. On 03 July 1997 Pakistan conducted a missile test that unofficial press reports claimed was an 800-km range Hatf-3 missile [the nomenclature associated with this test was never offially confirmed]. The test followed an uproar in Pakistan over the alleged deployment of 250-kilometre range Prithvi (Earth) missiles by rival India on Pakistan's border. While Indian sources asserted that the missile was a Chinese M-9, US analysts concluded that the missile was most likely an improved M-11. Very little additional information is available on this alleged launch.

    The Indian Test of the Agni II IRBM was conducted 11 April 1999. Pakistan responded on 14 Apr 1999 with a test firing of its Ghauri II missile from the Jhelum region in northeast Pakistan. Dr. Samar Mubarik Mand, in charge of the Shaheen project, left for China and returned home on 14 April 1999. Then, on 15 April 1999, a successful test of Shaheen was conducted. Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission said it tested a single stage IRBM called the Shaheen for the first time. Said to have a range of 750 km., it was fired from Sonmiani, a coastal site near Karachi. Officials said the missile can carry a 1 metric ton payload.

    The 15 April 1999 test marked the debut of the "Shaheen" [a royal white falcon] nomenclature in Pakistan's missile inventory, as well as the genesis of some confusion concerning Pakistan's missile imports from China. The claimed 750 km range of the Shaheen is roughly double the standard range of the Hatf-3/M-11, and is consistent with the range of the much large Chinese M-9. Unconfirmed reports have suggested that China may have transferred a small number of M-9 missiles to Pakistan, in addition to the well-established transfer of M-11 missiles. In any event, the still photos and video released by Pakistan of the "Shaheen" missile are clearly the M-9, not the M-11, and the Shaheen Transporter Erector Launcher [TEL] is clearly a modified version of the M-11 TEL. The two "Shaheen" missiles displayed in the military parade were apparently the improved longer-range CSS-7 Mod 2, rather than the original Mod 1 exported to Pakistan in the early 1990s.
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    Nope never trust them, Sometime back read a news that Russia and Israel had shared some information about their respective partners.... You cannot expect Israel to give Indian codes to China for exchange of some other information!

    Friendship and Partnership is OK, But don't depend entirely on them!
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    No one is thanking u troller :P
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    There are four way to get a technology

    Buy the product...Not capable of develop technology...Example - Pakistan
    Copy the Product and later understand technology ...Example - China
    Agreement of TOT..and later develop further ...Example - India
    Invention and Innovation..Example - US, Russia
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    Perhaps it's news to you. Most people in India and abroad know him as Missile Man of India.
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    Hey guys that s correct I have seen his interaction many times.... He is more known as the Agni man......
    Jelousy in the name of troll..... carry on we guys started to enjoy u guys troll......