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Brotherhood confronts Egypt 'anti-terror' law
Last updated: 11 hours ago

Branded a "terrorist group" in new legislation, Egypt's largest opposition movement continues its demonstrations.
After much pulling and tugging between Egypt's military-backed government and the Muslim Brotherhood, the state has adopted a highly controversial "anti-terrorism" law that effectively freezes any legal activity from the country's largest opposition group.

The law, which criminalises any kind of participation linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, intensifies Egypt's political polarisation. The legislation comes ahead of a nationwide referendum on the country's constitution set for January 5.

The bill was passed after a bomb blast killed 16 people on December 24 in the Nile Delta city of Al Mansoura. Although the law does not include Ansar Bayt al-Makdis, the an al-Qaeda-linked group who claimed responsibility for the attack, legislation does target the Muslim Brotherhood who condemned the assault and whose supporters have been staging daily peaceful protests since the army-led overthrow of President Mohamed Morsi on July 3.

Despite previous government pledges not to shun any faction from the political scene, the law bolts the lock on the return of a party that has won every vote since the 2011 uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak.

Human Rights Watch has said the law banning the Brotherhood is "politically driven".

Anti-coup protesters, mostly sympathisers of the Muslim Brotherhood, remain determined to stay on the streets, even if it means risking arrest.

"We will not stop our peaceful struggle," said Mahmoud, a student at Al-Azhar University, a hotbed of student activism where protests have continued despite a government ban on unauthorised rallies.

Since the so-called "anti-terror law" passed, at least five protesters have been killed, and almost 300 others have been arrested across the country on charges of "promoting terrorist ideologies".

Rather than bringing stability, security crackdowns on younger marchers could provide radical armed groups with new members seeking revenge, analysts said.

Algerian scenario

Some fear that Egypt will spiral into a civil war - much like what happened in Algeria when the military-backed government cracked down on the then-popular Islamist Salvation Front (FIS) during the 1990s. The ensuing conflict left about 200,000 people dead.

"The Algerian scenario is likely to happen in Egypt particularly with the lack of communication between the Muslim Brotherhood's leadership and its grassroots whom can be attracted and recruited by radical movements," Khalil al-Anani, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, told Al Jazeera.

Although the Brotherhood has been operating as an underground movement for decades and its members repeatedly land in Egyptian prisons, many analysts believe the interim government's crackdown on the group decreases chances for a political solution.

Most of the movement's leaders, including Morsi himself, are facing trial on a myriad of charges ranging from inciting violence to espionage. Since July 3, more than 1,000 Morsi supporters have been killed. Critics believe the Egyptian media has spearheaded a smear campaign against Brotherhood members who continue to protest.

"The current oppression is alienating many young Egyptians, particularly Islamists who [have] lost faith in politics and democracy and might adopt violence as the only way to deal with the current government," Anani said. "I don't think that the MB leadership will call for bearing arms against the state but many other non-affiliated sympathisers might."

An example of such a call was made by Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, the official spokesman of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Despite his criticisms of the Brotherhood's support for non-violence, Adnani has promoted "the rattle of the swords" and the "shedding of blood" to deal with Egypt's political crisis.

'Terrorism' hotlines

In the Sinai, home to more than a dozen armed groups, analysts fear some residents might abandon peaceful protests in favour of violent tacticts as a result of the new law. "The current confrontation between the regime and MB is driven by revenge and became a zero-sum game," said Anani.

Bomb attacks were launched in Cairo's Nasir City district and other parts of the country following the passage of the legislation.

Mohamed Farghali, a security analyst and researcher, said Muslim Brotherhood members are unlikely to join more radical religious groups, citing "ideological differences" between the two.

Farghali said that powerful weapons smuggled from Libya and Sudan are available on Egypt's black market, and he believes the "anti-terror" legislation could "take these [armed] groups to another level".

"These groups, which mostly found a foothold in the Sinai amid the security void that followed the January 25 uprising will now dig deeper to avoid the anti-terror law," he said. "The law does not include them, but it raises the public's alertness."

Immediately after the "anti-terror law" was issued, the Ministry of Interior made hotlines available for citizens to report anyone whom they "suspected" of belonging to or having ties with the Muslim Brotherhood.

It is this, rather than the reoccurring blasts reminiscent of the wave of attacks that gripped the country in the 1990s, that worries Mohamed Soffar, a professor of political theory and Director of Civilisations Dialogue Center at Cairo University.

"We are being pulled back to post-state status, where societal and family ties are being abolished and each citizen is being pitted against the other. Violence is now legal as citizens are transformed into vigilantes," he said.

Following deadly attacks in Al Mansoura, thousands took to the streets demanding all Muslim Brotherhood affiliates be executed. Although the group has renounced violence since the 1970s, their critics believe otherwise, blaming them for the surge in violence immediately following Morsi's ouster. Brotherhood opponents cite comments made by currently-jailed senior leader Mohamed al-Beltagy in which he said an end to violence in the Sinai hinges on Morsi's return.

'The state will win'

Along with worries about peace in the Sinai and bomb attacks, some analysts are concerned that anti-government fighters, or indviduals with sympathies for al-Qaeda, have infiltrated the security forces, complicating the crackdown on the Brotherhood.

We have not yet reached the point of no return


Mohamed Soffar, Cairo University

"Even the police institution was not sparred. About 280 officers were detained for links to radical armed groups. Suspects arrested included people from the upper class. Extremism is no longer confined to the poor," Farghali said. This situation could spell the beginning of a protracted and bloody conflict, according to some observers.

"A real form of dialogue cannot be established amid such severe polarisation, but it is not impossible. We have not yet reached the point of no return," Soffar said. Egypt and Israel - two historic enemies - were able to establish diplomatic ties, he said, so if they could bridge the gap, Egypt's feuding population should be able to do the same.

Anani agrees reconciliation is possible, but warned that: "Egypt is heading towards more uncertainty and instability and democracy seems to be buried."

Despite ongoing attacks and street protests, coupled with an economy in crisis, Farghali believe the interim authorities will be able to keep control.

"At the end of the day, the state will win. It's a historical fact," he said. "It even happened in Algeria."

http://www.aljazeera.com/story/2013122812912744161
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OP-ED: Declaring Muslim Brotherhood "Terrorists" Has Far-Reaching Implications - Inter Press Service

OP-ED: Declaring Muslim Brotherhood “Terrorists” Has Far-Reaching Implications
By Emile Nakhleh

WASHINGTON, Dec 27 2013 (IPS) - For the first time in its 85-year history, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Wednesday was declared a terrorist organisation. The provisional government’s decision, presumably with the military junta’s approval, came after two deadly bombings in Mansura and Cairo.

The government offered no proof of the MB’s involvement in the bombings; in fact, a radical group by the name of Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis (Defenders of the Holy Mosque) claimed responsibility for the attacks. The MB denounced all violent acts, especially against security officers.

The MB is not just a political organisation, as these hardliners maintain. It’s the most visible and credible face of civic Islam in the country.


The government’s action against the MB will have far-reaching implications, both short-term and long-term, for Egypt and ultimately for the U.S. Declaring the MB a terrorist organisation is a short-term victory for the hard-liners within the junta and the provisional civilian government who have vowed to crush the MB. But it is a Pyrrhic victory because since the 1940s, every Egyptian government that clashed with the MB failed to crush it.

The MB is not just a political organisation, as these hardliners maintain. It is a social, religious, educational, healthcare, and cultural movement. It’s the most visible and credible face of civic Islam in the country. It is also the largest and most-disciplined Islamic political society in the Arab and Sunni Islamic world.

The MB has penetrated Egyptian society, especially in the lower middle class and poorer neighbourhoods, through a myriad of non-governmental organisations. These groups provide food, healthcare, childcare, and education for free or at affordable costs. Furthermore, millions of middle class, professional Egyptians benefit from the medical services of MB-run hospitals and clinics.

When compared with expensive private hospitals or low-quality government hospitals, MB health facilities offer the only appealing alternative available to most Egyptians.

The government’s short-sighted decision branding the MB a terrorist organisation will force all these services to stop, leaving millions of Egyptians without health, education, and welfare services. These abrupt hardships would push people to the streets, creating a new wave of unrest, violence, and instability.

The military junta is blindly lashing out against the MB because it has failed to quell the daily demonstrations against its deepening dictatorship. The recent convictions and imprisonment of three Tahrir Square secular icons is another sign of the military’s visceral and ruthless intolerance of all voices of opposition, secular or Islamist.

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The government’s action is not expected to stop public demonstrations against the military despite the rising wave of arrests of MB members and sympathisers. As more MB leaders are detained and as communications between the leadership and rank and file are interrupted, younger and perhaps more radical members of the MB will hit the streets. Egypt will experience a heightened level of chaos and insecurity.

Chances for an inclusive political settlement are rapidly diminishing. The military junta would be foolish to think they could devise a stable political system without including the MB. Political Islam is an organic component of Egyptian politics dating back to 1928 when the MB was founded.

General Sisi might ride the wave of anti-MB hysteria all the way to the presidency, but riding the tiger is a risky proposition, as the modern history of Egypt has shown. He should learn from the military dictators who preceded him as presidents that repressing the MB and jailing and executing its leaders have failed to make it go away. The wave of violence that is expected to follow the junta’s decision would ultimately force the government to reconsider its decision.

Declaring the MB a terrorist organisation will also have serious negative implications for the United States. Hard-line supporters of the military will likely accuse the U.S. of coddling the MB, and MB supporters would turn against the U.S. for its perceived support of the military. U.S. personnel and facilities in Egypt will be targeted by regime thugs and by potential terrorists.

The U.S. State Department’s mild rebuke of the junta’s action – voicing its support for “an inclusive political process” and calling for “dialogue and political participation across the political spectrum” – will fail to satisfy either the military or the MB. Washington should make it clear to the junta that political stability in Egypt cannot be achieved by excluding the MB and its affiliates from the political process.

In fact, Washington has been engaging the MB since the early 1990s when the organisation decided to shun violence and participate in Egyptian politics through elections despite frequent objections from the Mubarak regime. The U.S. should continue to do so regardless of the junta’s ill-advised decision.

Emile Nakhleh is a former Senior Intelligence Service Officer, a Research Professor at the University of New Mexico, and author of “A Necessary Engagement: Reinventing America’s Relations with the Muslim World.”

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This is a very sane and sensible article by Emile Nakhleh. The emerging scenario is one which points towards Algeria of early '90s.

Doubtless the liberals would use the backlash and opportunistic vendettas as work of Islamic militants. This would in turn be used to discredit political Islam. Would anybody remember how it all actually started?

Egyptian military and its Gulf allies have done a huge dis-service to Egypt, Arab world, and Muslim world.

I am making a prediction. In a few years someone from Egyptian military would make a coup to remove Al-Sisi and his advisors.
 
I just don't get it

the nation was going fine, times were tough but that's what happens when you go through a radical period of change

now it's a clamped down police state slaughtering and arresting it's own citizens and persecuting the biggest democratic movement in its history

what a waste of egyptian hopes and dreams
 
Brotherhood confronts Egypt 'anti-terror' law
Last updated: 11 hours ago

Branded a "terrorist group" in new legislation, Egypt's largest opposition movement continues its demonstrations.
After much pulling and tugging between Egypt's military-backed government and the Muslim Brotherhood, the state has adopted a highly controversial "anti-terrorism" law that effectively freezes any legal activity from the country's largest opposition group.

The law, which criminalises any kind of participation linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, intensifies Egypt's political polarisation. The legislation comes ahead of a nationwide referendum on the country's constitution set for January 5.

The bill was passed after a bomb blast killed 16 people on December 24 in the Nile Delta city of Al Mansoura. Although the law does not include Ansar Bayt al-Makdis, the an al-Qaeda-linked group who claimed responsibility for the attack, legislation does target the Muslim Brotherhood who condemned the assault and whose supporters have been staging daily peaceful protests since the army-led overthrow of President Mohamed Morsi on July 3.

Despite previous government pledges not to shun any faction from the political scene, the law bolts the lock on the return of a party that has won every vote since the 2011 uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak.

Human Rights Watch has said the law banning the Brotherhood is "politically driven".

Anti-coup protesters, mostly sympathisers of the Muslim Brotherhood, remain determined to stay on the streets, even if it means risking arrest.

"We will not stop our peaceful struggle," said Mahmoud, a student at Al-Azhar University, a hotbed of student activism where protests have continued despite a government ban on unauthorised rallies.

Since the so-called "anti-terror law" passed, at least five protesters have been killed, and almost 300 others have been arrested across the country on charges of "promoting terrorist ideologies".

Rather than bringing stability, security crackdowns on younger marchers could provide radical armed groups with new members seeking revenge, analysts said.

Algerian scenario

Some fear that Egypt will spiral into a civil war - much like what happened in Algeria when the military-backed government cracked down on the then-popular Islamist Salvation Front (FIS) during the 1990s. The ensuing conflict left about 200,000 people dead.

"The Algerian scenario is likely to happen in Egypt particularly with the lack of communication between the Muslim Brotherhood's leadership and its grassroots whom can be attracted and recruited by radical movements," Khalil al-Anani, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, told Al Jazeera.

Although the Brotherhood has been operating as an underground movement for decades and its members repeatedly land in Egyptian prisons, many analysts believe the interim government's crackdown on the group decreases chances for a political solution.

Most of the movement's leaders, including Morsi himself, are facing trial on a myriad of charges ranging from inciting violence to espionage. Since July 3, more than 1,000 Morsi supporters have been killed. Critics believe the Egyptian media has spearheaded a smear campaign against Brotherhood members who continue to protest.

"The current oppression is alienating many young Egyptians, particularly Islamists who [have] lost faith in politics and democracy and might adopt violence as the only way to deal with the current government," Anani said. "I don't think that the MB leadership will call for bearing arms against the state but many other non-affiliated sympathisers might."

An example of such a call was made by Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, the official spokesman of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Despite his criticisms of the Brotherhood's support for non-violence, Adnani has promoted "the rattle of the swords" and the "shedding of blood" to deal with Egypt's political crisis.

'Terrorism' hotlines

In the Sinai, home to more than a dozen armed groups, analysts fear some residents might abandon peaceful protests in favour of violent tacticts as a result of the new law. "The current confrontation between the regime and MB is driven by revenge and became a zero-sum game," said Anani.

Bomb attacks were launched in Cairo's Nasir City district and other parts of the country following the passage of the legislation.

Mohamed Farghali, a security analyst and researcher, said Muslim Brotherhood members are unlikely to join more radical religious groups, citing "ideological differences" between the two.

Farghali said that powerful weapons smuggled from Libya and Sudan are available on Egypt's black market, and he believes the "anti-terror" legislation could "take these [armed] groups to another level".

"These groups, which mostly found a foothold in the Sinai amid the security void that followed the January 25 uprising will now dig deeper to avoid the anti-terror law," he said. "The law does not include them, but it raises the public's alertness."

Immediately after the "anti-terror law" was issued, the Ministry of Interior made hotlines available for citizens to report anyone whom they "suspected" of belonging to or having ties with the Muslim Brotherhood.

It is this, rather than the reoccurring blasts reminiscent of the wave of attacks that gripped the country in the 1990s, that worries Mohamed Soffar, a professor of political theory and Director of Civilisations Dialogue Center at Cairo University.

"We are being pulled back to post-state status, where societal and family ties are being abolished and each citizen is being pitted against the other. Violence is now legal as citizens are transformed into vigilantes," he said.

Following deadly attacks in Al Mansoura, thousands took to the streets demanding all Muslim Brotherhood affiliates be executed. Although the group has renounced violence since the 1970s, their critics believe otherwise, blaming them for the surge in violence immediately following Morsi's ouster. Brotherhood opponents cite comments made by currently-jailed senior leader Mohamed al-Beltagy in which he said an end to violence in the Sinai hinges on Morsi's return.

'The state will win'

Along with worries about peace in the Sinai and bomb attacks, some analysts are concerned that anti-government fighters, or indviduals with sympathies for al-Qaeda, have infiltrated the security forces, complicating the crackdown on the Brotherhood.

We have not yet reached the point of no return


Mohamed Soffar, Cairo University

"Even the police institution was not sparred. About 280 officers were detained for links to radical armed groups. Suspects arrested included people from the upper class. Extremism is no longer confined to the poor," Farghali said. This situation could spell the beginning of a protracted and bloody conflict, according to some observers.

"A real form of dialogue cannot be established amid such severe polarisation, but it is not impossible. We have not yet reached the point of no return," Soffar said. Egypt and Israel - two historic enemies - were able to establish diplomatic ties, he said, so if they could bridge the gap, Egypt's feuding population should be able to do the same.

Anani agrees reconciliation is possible, but warned that: "Egypt is heading towards more uncertainty and instability and democracy seems to be buried."

Despite ongoing attacks and street protests, coupled with an economy in crisis, Farghali believe the interim authorities will be able to keep control.

"At the end of the day, the state will win. It's a historical fact," he said. "It even happened in Algeria."

http://www.aljazeera.com/story/2013122812912744161
Is Egypt Headed Back Toward Civil War? « Commentary Magazine
Kuwait is the first country to reject Egypt's call to blacklist Muslim Brotherhood

Your first blunder is you cite Aldjazira. Second Algeria and Egypt are too different, and the Algerian scenario will not take place in Egypt, if the Egyptian security apparitus handles it properly..
1. Algeria's terrain favorises the implementation of the terrorisme...Egypt is 90% desert and inhabited. For terrorism to survive you have to have a support from the population, and the latter is lacking...
2. Algerian security forces manged to fence out the terrorist out of the cities, to the rural areas where it was easy to combat without civilian losses...The Egyptians cities are secured by draconian security forces, the likely hood of the MB nesting there, is slim to none. The only area, where they may create some headaches for the Egyptian authorities, is in the Sinai, due to the mountain ranges a favorite place for any dissention to survive.
4..and last, Algeria's was embargoed by the West and the Arab sates, save UAE. Most of the Arab states and Rafsandjani's Iran, contributed directly and still to this day to fan the flames, just like they are doing in Syria now...There is no embargo on Egypt, and lavished with GCC financial aid. The success of a brotherhood uprising is nil!
 
@Ceylal, good point about terrain. When I consider Algerian situation, I specifically mean bloodshed and vendettas masked as militancy. The atmosphere of lawlessness encourages people to settle scores among themselves.

A political ideology can not be defeated with force.

The Algerian & Egyptian examples show that you can not keep Islamists out of power. They need to be accommodated politically. Otherwise political stability can not be achieved and bloodshed will result. Islamists should be allowed to tackle challenges of governance if they win elections. They can not deliver on all promises made in an election campaign. That can be used to reduce Islamists to other political forces. Politics encourages pragmatism. A pragmatic Islamist is someone who can be engaged as a partner in political sphere. This shuts the door on religious militancy in most cases.
 
if it's the only way to make islam rule over Egypt, then it's gonna happen bc the people of Egypt r not better than the Syrians
 
MB is banned like it was in Algeria. But be sure that no war will happen. Egyptian state is in full control of everything. Plus Egyptian army is too strong to be compared with Algeria's.
 
it's own citizens and persecuting the biggest democratic movement in its history
Its absolutely ridiculous to say that democracy and your brand of Islam can co-exist! Islamist governments are being rolled back due to incapability of governing...They fail in Algeria because people didn't want them, They failed in Tunisia and Tunisians recalled them after liberties were curtailed, women assigned to household duties and opposition figures assassinated. Egypt fall in the same case, after two years, the only thing Morsi offered to the Egyptians is a plate of patience with a dose of religion as desert...And Now merde Egodan system is crumbling and dissent of the Turkish street is rising...Islamist governments are a failure , hard to hide

{quote]what a waste of egyptian hopes and dreams[/quote] Are you talking about your hopes and dreams? Because Egyptians hopes and dreams were sauvegarded by the Egyptian Army who responded to their call!
 
@Ceylal, good point about terrain. When I consider Algerian situation, I specifically mean bloodshed and vendettas masked as militancy. The atmosphere of lawlessness encourages people to settle scores among themselves.
All the accusations regarding the massacres imputed to the Algerian Army has been debunked by french tribunals and testimonial from ex djihadists...The only one , behind those massacres and mass grave and the destruction are the djihadists. The Algerian army is not made (at the time of professionals), but by young elements who were doing their military service, and I found hard to believe that young boy will turn his arm against his own people

A political ideology can not be defeated with force.
That is true, and in case of Algeria, the military did a great job in emasculating the threats, by politicians have failed to address the source of the problem, to this day..

The Algerian & Egyptian examples show that you can not keep Islamists out of power. They need to be accommodated politically. Otherwise political stability can not be achieved and bloodshed will result.
Islamist in Algeria have a voice and are represented by several parties, but the problem with political Islam is not governing or playing by the rules...Their final and only objective is to instore an archaic system and subdue the citizen by force..We lived in Algeria, Egypt is dealing with it and Lybia is living it as we speak!
 
MB is banned like it was in Algeria. But be sure that no war will happen. Egyptian state is in full control of everything. Plus Egyptian army is too strong to be compared with Algeria's.
Really?
Massacring over a thousand civilians with real bullet and armored vehicle is anything but strong. That was an utmost failure of the Egyptian army. Strength is not a function of how much force you can muster, it is a function how you use it...And Egyptian army failed miserably there...All the good things that she was hailed for by answering the call of her people, was erased those days when they fail to handle the MB supporters...

In MENA area, there is only two countries, when you about strength and projection power, is Israel and Algeria...The rest didn't even make the cut!
Just stick to Jordanian and refrain from giving opinions on the things , you gnore.
 
Its absolutely ridiculous to say that democracy and your brand of Islam can co-exist! Islamist governments are being rolled back due to incapability of governing...They fail in Algeria because people didn't want them, They failed in Tunisia and Tunisians recalled them after liberties were curtailed, women assigned to household duties and opposition figures assassinated. Egypt fall in the same case, after two years, the only thing Morsi offered to the Egyptians is a plate of patience with a dose of religion as desert...And Now merde Egodan system is crumbling and dissent of the Turkish street is rising...Islamist governments are a failure , hard to hide




When have the liberal haramii types actually allowed islamic/muslim goverments to rule

When the People of Algeria were on the cusp of voting for islamic parties, it was the kaffir anti-islam military that stepped in to set off a decade of civil war, when did you let them rule. When was the will of the people to vote for who they want respected

Same as Egypt, decades and decades of corrupt useless military rule has made the muslim world weak, these haramii's are useless and self serving all they care about is their alcohol and aslong as the can whore themselves and their women whilst the majority conservative population cant do anything they are happy

After decades of secular dictator rule in Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood won all of the democratic elections

However they were not even allowed to complete their term with a only after a few months the military plot to overthrow them was intiated, its a disgrace




In Turkey after decades of corrupt rule the AKP with a good brand of effective islamic politics has turned Turkey into one of the Top economies of the world and made Turkey strong,, look at Turkey compared to useless Egypt or Algeria, they have a good chance of winning the next election too.



The reality of the problem is that the muslim world is infected with these secular jahils who were propped up by the west, they then refuse to budge to give up their positions of power. The house of saud, the GGC sheiks, assad, mubarak, ghadaffi

The same scum year after year who cant reform our economies, take our militaries forward

Algeria cant fight any other nation its useless, its entire military (the same with syria, egypt, iraq) was set up to keep their own people oppressed and down

We need urgent change in the muslim world, all these decades old dictators and kings need to fall and a new muslim order established with the people informed from the start that change means CHAOS

it may take another few decades to sweep out the old corrupt order and fix the system, in a working sytem like Turkey's it took the AKP only a few years because the Turkish people were more mature although even they have idiots who deman falls of democratic regimes because they know they dont have enough people or votes to win otherwise

But in places like algeria, egypt or syria where the slime have ruled like kings it takes alot more
 
First MB was terrorist organization, now its political reality in Egypt. A election winner. Now its ejected again , and now status of terrorist party award is granted . Time for Egyptian to make up their mind.
 
When are the new elections?
Referendum on the constitution is in fifteen days,then it will be decided whether presidential or parliamentary elections should come first. All in all Egypt should have a new constitution, parliament, and president by the end of July.
 
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