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Ahsan Iqbal: Debunking myths on CPEC

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1327172/windfall-chinese-coal-fired-projects/
Above is not Dawn news.
ISLAMABAD:

In what appear to be heavily China-favoured deals, Pakistan has offered up to 34.5 per cent annual profit on equity invested in coal-fired energy projects of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor and loans have been obtained at six per cent interest rates, excluding insurance cost.


The official documents revealed that by including the cost of insurance, also paid to a Chinese insurance company, the cost of borrowings would surge to 13 per cent. Adding insult to injury, the government has already exempted income of Chinese financial institutions from dividend income tax.
 
And how do you know they are not right?

Discussed thousands time....debunked thousands time ...which country in the world will not welcome investment in infrastructure. .which idiot country will not welcome investment in power sector when she is die need of it ....of course investment doesn't mean that it is coming for free bit nevertheless much needed one ...

Even if we are getting 10% profit while 90% going to China, I won't mind it in a longer run since it's better than nothing. YES nothing.
 
It can't go on for 100 pages when you still believe power plants are build from loans.
Ok, I might have errored on the loan part.
So in IPP these companies will invest billions of dollars to set up plants, these billions will be obviously not on charity so they will get them back using by selling the electricity. Now there is a guarantee to buy electricity from these companies at a higher rate. In such deals, there is a promise of buying a percentage of electricity 90 or more I assume.

1) What about power theft, there will be some power theft, that money will not come from consumers but the government has to pay.
2) If there is surplus electricity and not enough buyers for that rate, who will pay?

Its billions of dollars in many projects and government of Pakistan has a risk in every project. The cumulative risk of all this project is huge. With this huge amount, any dealy will jack-up the losses fast.
 
Ok, I might have errored on the loan part.
So in IPP these companies will invest billions of dollars to set up plants, these billions will be obviously not on charity so they will get them back using by selling the electricity. Now there is a guarantee to buy electricity from these companies at a higher rate. In such deals, there is a promise of buying a percentage of electricity 90 or more I assume.

1) What about power theft, there will be some power theft, that money will not come from consumers but the government has to pay.
2) If there is surplus electricity and not enough buyers for that rate, who will pay?

Its billions of dollars in many projects and government of Pakistan has a risk in every project. The cumulative risk of all this project is huge. With this huge amount, any dealy will jack-up the losses fast.

I already gave you exemple of some plants recently inaugurated. Sahiwal power plant at 8 cent per unit, ghukki gas plant at 7 cent per unit. It's much lower then what Pakistan currently generate from furnace oil and other old plants.

And yes Pakistan have given guarantee to buy electricity. Looking at shortages there is no chance of surplus any time soon. If it happen government will close old expensive plants which run on imported oil.

Line losses and theft is problem but government will take care of it by not providing elec to feeders where losses are high. Another reason for circular debt is high cost electricity generated from oil.
 
Discussed thousands time....debunked thousands time ...which country in the world will not welcome investment in infrastructure. .which idiot country will not welcome investment in power sector when she is die need of it ....of course investment doesn't mean that it is coming for free bit nevertheless much needed one ...

Even if we are getting 10% profit while 90% going to China, I won't mind it in a longer run since it's better than nothing. YES nothing.
Yes, every country will welcome investment, but they also have to check the deals and make sure they are good deals. Pakistan is not coming from strong position, Chinese are known for making deals hugely in their favor.

Take example fo Sri Lanka, they are not getting expected outcome from the port.

I already gave you exemple of some plants recently inaugurated. Sahiwal power plant at 8 cent per unit, ghukki gas plant at 7 cent per unit. It's much lower then what Pakistan currently generate from furnace oil and other old plants.

And yes Pakistan have given guarantee to buy electricity. Looking at shortages there is no chance of surplus any time soon. If it happen government will close old expensive plants which run on imported oil.

Line losses and theft is problem but government will take care of it by not providing elec to feeders where losses are high. Another reason for circular debt is high cost electricity generated from oil.
There are concerns that the rates will be higher than 8 cents when its comes to reality. Additionally, you did not answer on my other point on energy theft.
 
There are concerns that the rates will be higher than 8 cents when its comes to reality. Additionally, you did not answer on my other point on energy theft.

Actually maybe only gas plants unit price will increase or decrease depending on price of gas in international market. I already answered you about 5-10% theft that happen. Likely to be much lower in coming years because we already have seen improvement over the last 4 years.

CPEC is $300 billion project till 2030, only small part of it will be loan.
 
Actually maybe only gas plants unit price will increase or decrease depending on price of gas in international market. I already answered you about 5-10% theft that happen. Likely to be much lower in coming years because we already have seen improvement over the last 4 years.

CPEC is $300 billion project till 2030, only small part of it will be loan.
Loan or no loan, the recovery of all the investment will happen from Pakistan only.
 
Ok, I might have errored on the loan part.
So in IPP these companies will invest billions of dollars to set up plants, these billions will be obviously not on charity so they will get them back using by selling the electricity. Now there is a guarantee to buy electricity from these companies at a higher rate. In such deals, there is a promise of buying a percentage of electricity 90 or more I assume.

1) What about power theft, there will be some power theft, that money will not come from consumers but the government has to pay.
2) If there is surplus electricity and not enough buyers for that rate, who will pay?

Its billions of dollars in many projects and government of Pakistan has a risk in every project. The cumulative risk of all this project is huge. With this huge amount, any dealy will jack-up the losses fast.

right now pak has 5000mw shortage and about 3000 mw will be added to national grid by next year.. pak has only 22000 mw capacity storage yet so new capacities are being developed with transmission lines. total 35000 mw required in current system for both domestic & commercial purposes (rural & urban). construction of economic & industrial zones have been started where electricity will be supplied. many countries & individuals eyeing to invest. pak is offering favorable deal. some time we have to delay or speed up the particular project to manage the calculative move.

i have told you some statistics. now plz first elaborate how will you manage it in calculative manner. if you can answer it with exact period & time then we can discuss it later.
 
1) What about power theft, there will be some power theft, that money will not come from consumers but the government has to pay.
2) If there is surplus electricity and not enough buyers for that rate, who will pay?

Chinese are known for making deals hugely in their favor.
First of all why are you maligning Chinese if Pakistani people don't pay bills? And why the hell would Chinese invest if they aren't allowed to profit from their investments? What kind of mental disease do you people have?
 
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One clear propaganda against CPEC by Dawn is clearing this thread. Your own Minister of Planning and Development, Ahsan Iqbal came up with this article against last week's Dawn write up about CPEC yet Dawn deliberately never published his article of "debunking myths on cpec" as of now when they should had at every cost to get the Govt's perspective/justification. Just visit their website or google the title by adding dawn in search bar, no news about it.

What shall we get from this ? Clearly its a smear campaign against CPEC in DAWN.
 
#Pakistan presents new $50 billion #development-heavy #budget for FY 2017-18 - ABC News - http://abcn.ws/2s271CJ via @abc

Pakistan's Finance Minister Ishaq Dar Friday presented a $50 billion development heavy budget that also promised a seven percent increase in military spending, a growth rate of near 6 per cent and an appeasement for farmers who protested ahead of the budget announcement, clashing with police who used tear gas to disperse them.

The budget offered Pakistan's farmers $6.8 billion in loans, as well as fuel and electricity subsidies.

In poor Pakistan the budget promised $1.15 billion in subsidies, mostly to reduce electricity and fuel costs. In his speech to Parliament Dar said the annual per capita income in Pakistan had increased from $1,334 to $1,629 over the last four years of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's government. Tax collection which is notoriously low in Pakistan also increased nearly 80 percent in the same period, he said.

In addition to a seven percent increase in military spending, Pakistan's budget also gave every soldier a 10 percent salary hike for fighting terror. The defense budget was set at $9 billion compared to $8.4 billion last year.

Pakistan's defense budget is not open for debate by Parliament nor does it generally include pensions paid to military personnel. The cost of their pensions comes out of the current budget.

Pakistan has been in a protracted war against terrorists with most battles waged in the tribal regions that border Afghanistan.

Friday's budget was seen as business friendly, offering a 30 percent tax cut to the corporate sector. It also exempts industries from the country-wide rolling power cuts that afflict Pakistanis on a daily basis.

Of the $20 billion plus development budget, Dar said $1.8 billion will go toward financing projects linked to its multi-billion dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor scheme that includes a vast array of joint ventures including roads and power plants.

Opposition politicians slammed the budget, with Asad Umar of the Tehreek-e-Insaf (Movement for Justice) party saying it takes from the poor to give to the rich.

"Money is being snatched from the pockets of the poor and middle classes to enhance the wealth of the unproductive elite," Umar said in a statement.

In a country with a literacy rate of 69.5 per cent among men and 45.8 among women, according to the latest CIA country report, the education budget was set at $887 million, considerably less than the sums allocated for defense and development.

The health sector in Pakistan, often bemoaned by many Pakistanis as inadequate, was allocated $126 million according to the figures released by the government.

Pakistan's protesting famers timed their protest hours before Dar presented the budget for the next fiscal year before lawmakers on Friday.

Pakistani TV channels broadcast footage showing riot police dragging farmers away from the scene, as well as protesters throwing stones at the police.
 
The Truth is that China and Pakistan will build CPEC and following industrialisation will happen in Pak.... and they will make india pay for it.

This is the Real reason india is trying so hard to subotage CPEC...

However, when Sino-Pak build it...india will pay for it.

There then... the REAL Truth is out now.

CPEC Sino-Pak Friends get rich and india pays for it!
 
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