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Afghan fresh fruit sparks off new Indo-Pak trade war

As the Obama administration scales up its military and financial assistance to Afghanistan and Pakistan, officials from both these countries are meeting in Islamabad over the weekend to finalise a bilateral trade and transit agreement that has huge implications for India.

As they prepare for their fifth and final meeting here in Kabul, Afghan officials bitterly complain that their Pakistani counterparts are unwilling to allow trade to be used as a confidence building measure between their countries, because they fear that a potential trade pact would open the door for Indian goods to cheaply reach Afghanistan.

Enayatullah Nabiel, director-general in the Economic Relations department of the Afghan ministry of foreign affairs, told Business Standard that it was time that Pakistan “separated whatever problems it has with India and allow a trade and transit agreement to be signed between Islamabad and Kabul”.

The Pakistanis, Nabiel added, must realise that “by denying cooperation, they are denying their Afghan brothers to prosper through trade. That is not fair”.

A bumper harvest of fresh fruit and vegetables in Afghanistan this year could not reach the Indian market because of this problem, Nabiel said, and had to be sold at throwaway prices at home.

The nub of the problem revolves around the movement of Afghan trucks through Pakistani territory — via three entry and exit points at Torkham, Spin Boldak and Golam Khan — all the way up to the Wagah border with India.

While Pakistan is willing to allow Afghan trucks to traverse its own territory, it has refused to allow these trucks to exit the Wagah border and return with Indian goods loaded on them.

According to Nabiel, “the question of exiting Wagah and crossing into Amritsar is a matter between India and Afghanistan, Pakistan has nothing to do with it. What is worse is that Pakistan insists that when Afghan trucks disgorge their produce, they must return empty to Afghanistan. That is simply not acceptable to us.”

If talks on the Afghanistan-Pakistan Transit and Trade Agreement (APTTA) remain dead-locked after the fifth round in Islamabad from December 19-21, Nabiel confirmed, the matter would go all the way up for discussion between US President Barack Obama, Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistan President Asif Zardari.

Six months ago, at a trilateral summit in Washington, Obama urged the Afghan and Pakistani presidents to use trade and transit to build political confidence so as to tackle other urgent issues on the ground, such as the ability of Taliban guerrillas to escape through the porous Durand Line to the other side.

Earlier in the month, the Pakistani media reported the outcome of Pakistan’s standing committee on commerce in its National Assembly on APTTA, and quoted outgoing Commerce secretary Salman Ghani as saying that Indian goods were banned from transiting through the territory of Pakistan after the 1965 Indo-Pakistan war.

Any relaxation for Indian goods could only be addressed through the bilateral composite dialogue between India and Pakistan, Ghani said.

Discussing APTTA in the National Assembly, committee chairman Engineer Khurran Dastgir Khan “stressed the need (for) foreign pressure, if any, (to be) rejected firmly during ongoing negotiations on APTTA, and Pakistan’s security concerns vis-à-vis India must be addressed,” Pakistan’s national newspaper The News said in a report.

Pakistani officials and analysts told Business Standard on condition of anonymity that unless India reopened the political dialogue with Islamabad, that had been put on hold after the Mumbai attacks, Pakistan was not about to take any action that was favourable to India. Trade was a key component of this composite dialogue, the Pakistanis added.

The Pakistani officials also emphasised that Afghanistan must take strict action against the smuggling of goods from Iran into Pakistan, via the southern Afghan provinces, amounting to at least $4 billion annually.

But Nabiel pointed to a second vexing problem in the APTTA negotiations : Although the 1965 Afghan-Pakistan trade and transit pact only mentions that goods can traverse through certain “entry and exit points,” Pakistan now wanted to change this language of entry and exit points to the word “border,” a word that is anathema to the Afghan Pashtuns.

Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand Line believe the line was a cunning conspiracy created by the British to separate Pashtun tribes living in Pakistan and Afghanistan, Nabiel said.

Meanwhile, India seems to have found a temporary solution to Pakistan’s denial of its goods traveling overland to Afghanistan, with Air India slashing the price for Afghan fresh produce on its Kabul-Delhi flights.

India’s Ambassador to Afghanistan Jayant Prasad confirmed that since November, Air India was charging only $.20 cents per tonne for Afghan fresh produce, whereas the cost per tonne, overland, was working out to be $.30 cents per tonne (one truck carried an average of 5 tonnes).

Prasad said that a bilateral agreement to carry 400 tonnes of Afghan fresh produce on Air India had already been signed. Afghan officials would soon travel to India to be further trained in phytosanitary measures vis-à-vis their fruit and vegetables, he added.
 
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I do not think that Pakistan will agree to it. This is the plight of landlocked nations.
 
Afghan fresh fruit sparks off new Indo-Pak trade war

Air India was charging only $.20 cents per tonne for Afghan fresh produce, whereas the cost per tonne, overland, was working out to be $.30 cents per tonne (one truck carried an average of 5 tonnes).
Impossible, $.20 cents/tonne of cargo that is. Looks like there is some typo graphical error either in the decimal or unit measure of weight. Last time I checked a document published with 2007 prices, it costs around $250-$363/tonne for transport of fruits from Kabul to Delhi, by road. It is more like $.20/Kg which works out to $200/tonne. See page#10 http://www.rootsofpeace.org/documents/Fresh_Fruit_Export_Pilot_to_Delhi_ASAP-India_November_2007.pdf
 
As negotiations on the APTTA reach their final rounds, I thought I would update this thread as a dedicated thread on the issue. Feel free to continue to update it:

New Pak-Afghan Transit Trade Agreement
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PESHAWAR : Business community of Pakistan has called for taking all chambers and trader bodies into confidence before signing of the new Pak-Afghan Transit Trade Agreement, Ghulam Sarwar Mohmand, a member of the Ministry of Commerce constituted committee told APP on Saturday. A new trade agreement is being negotiated between Pakistan and Afghanistan under the auspices of the World Bank. The Ministry of Commerce has included three representatives of the private sector in the consultation process. They are included Ghulam Sarwar Khan Mohmand, a former president of Sarhad Chamber of Commerce and Industry (SCCI),
Zubair Motiwala of Karachi and president, Quetta Chamber of Commerce and Industry (QCCI). A two-day joint ministerial meeting of the government of Pakistan and Afghanistan is scheduled on November 18 and 19 in Afghan capital Kabul. The industrialists and traders of Pakistan have expressed reservations over the draft agreement prepared under the auspices of the World Bank. The present Afghan Transit Trade Agreement (ATTA) was signed in 1965 was totally one sided and goes in favour of Afghan traders. In this connection, a meeting of the committee has already been held at the Ministry of Commerce. Senior Joint Secretary and Director General (DG) Foreign Trade at the ministry presided. The participants of the meeting were given presentation on the draft agreement on trade with Afghanistan.

The representatives of the private sector expressed reservations over the clauses of allowing Indian transport companies for transportation of goods via Wagah Border and the transportation of Afghanistan bound goods through Afghan trucks from Karachi Sea Port to Kabul. The representative of Sarhad Chamber expressed concern over the allowing of both Indian and Afghan drivers to travel inside in Pakistan both on security and business grounds. The officials of the ministry, Sarwar Mohmand said have agreed in principle that Pakistan arriving goods under ATTA for Afghanistan would be transported from Karachi to Torkham through the trucks of National Logistic Cell (NLC), Pakistan Railways and private Pakistan good carriers. The private sector representatives said that the existing agreement favours only Afghanistan and allowing all kind of goods. More than 90 percent of such goods used to re-enter Pakistan and flourish Bara markets in different parts of the country. The business community has stressed Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) for keeping strict check on the smuggling of these goods back into Pakistani territory. The flourishing of the smuggled goods markets are badly affecting industrial and trade sector in Pakistan. The new trade agreement with Afghanistan would be on bilateral basis and like Pakistan; Afghanistan will have to facilitate the passage of Pakistani products to Central Asian Republics. The government of Afghanistan would be required to extend the same facilities as provided to their traders by the government of Pakistan, clarified Sarwar Mohmand. The governments of both countries have geared up their efforts for the finalising of the agreement in next month. But, the representative of the business community on the committee says that it was necessary for the government of Pakistan. The government should delay it for a period of six months to hold negotiations and took all chambers of commerce and trade bodies into confidence over the matter, he suggested.

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Some good proposals to reduce smuggling of goods from Afghanistan to Pakistan:


New Transit Trade Agreement: LC may become mandatory for Afghan importers​

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Tuesday, 1 Dec, 2009 5:10 am

ISLAMABAD : The new Afghanistan Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement (APTTA) may incorporate a new provision, making it mandatory for the Afghan importers to open letters of credit (LCs) of sensitive/smuggling-prone goods being traded under transit facility. Sources told Business Recorder here on Monday that the Pakistani delegation presented this proposal in the last APTTA negotiations held at Kabul.

The proposal is part of the overall anti-smuggling strategy to check the menace through strict enforcement of law. The Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) has proposed that the LCs must be opened in Afghan banks to identify persons sending foreign exchange for transit consignments through Pakistan. When the importers would open LCs in Afghanistan, the foreign exchange of Afghanistan would be involved. Pakistani delegation was of the view that the Afghan government should voluntarily take interim measures to check unauthorised trade.

In this regard, the Afghan government should issue licences for smuggling-prone items. It has been proposed that LCs opening in Afghanistan would help in monitoring the foreign exchange involvement. It is necessary to monitor the foreign exchange involved in business transactions through the APTTA. The whole process would also disclose the details of the Afghan importers involved in business of goods under the existing Afghanistan Transit Trade Agreement (ATTA).

The banks in Afghanistan should open LCs for the Afghan importers to check whether the Afghan banks have arranged the foreign exchange. Secondly, whether the money changers or someone else is arranging the foreign exchange for such transit consignments?

"Presently, Pakistani authorities do not know where the foreign exchange is going during transit of consignments under the ATTA. Even if the proposal is not incorporated in the new APTTA, the same should be implemented immediately as an interim measure to check smuggling across the border, sources said.

Pakistani authorities had also submitted another proposal at Kabul that the Afghan customs should submit copies of the Goods Declarations (GDs) of the consignments cleared under the proposed APTTA to their Pakistani counterparts. This would also ensure that the transit goods have actually crossed the border and subsequently cleared by the Afghan importers. The GDs of Afghan consignments would help in maintaining record by the Pakistani customs. The copy of Afghan GDs is necessary to verify that the transit goods have been duly received by the Afghan customs authorities.

During the meeting at Kabul, sources said, Pakistan had proposed a joint mechanism to check smuggling under the APTTA by imposing quantitative restriction on the transit goods on the basis of actual consumption in Afghanistan. At present, the volume of many items exported to Afghanistan under the existing transit trade agreement is much higher as compared to the actual consumption.

Under the proposed arrangement, the FBR would compile a list of sensitive items, on regular basis, and submit the same to the Afghan authorities to check their actual consumption in Afghanistan. A joint committee could be set up for working out the modalities for implementation of the scheme.

The FBR has proposed that the Afghan government should provide actual consumption of the items being imported under the APTTA on regular basis to Pakistan. Afghanistan would determine consumption of items and certify the same to the Pakistani customs. Subsequently, Pakistan will only allow that specific quantity for clearance under the APTTA to check massive smuggling. Based on requirement specified by Afghanistan, the quota system would be introduced to allow the quantity as per consumption in Afghanistan. The quota would be fixed on regular basis in consultation with the Afghan authorities.

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A qualifier: While the headline suggests transit to India is 'out of the question', subsequent articles appear to suggest it is still being negotiated.

‘Transit facility to India under APTTA out of question’

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: Ministry of Commerce (MOC) here on Thursday informed the legislators that Transit facility to India for Afghanistan through Pakistani land route is out of question under Afghanistan Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement (APTTA) and this issue could only be discussed at bilateral level under Composite Dialogue upon its resumption.

Outgoing Secretary Ministry of Commerce, Salman Ghani, informed the National Assembly Standing Committee on Commerce, chaired by Engineer Khurran Dastgir Khan, in parliament house. Secretary explained that existing transit trade agreement had allowed India to export its goods to Afghanistan through Pakistani land route but soon after the implementation of agreement due to 1965 Pak-India war an additional clause was inserted in the agreement barring Indian exports to Afghanistan.

Pakistan’s interest has fully been safeguarded during the four rounds of negotiations on APTTA and 95 percent of the text of the APTTA has been agreed and remaining two proposals will be negotiated in fifth round of negotiations at Islamabad. Secretary informed that two remaining agenda items are formalization of informal trade between the two neighbors and Afghan proposal of allowing India export its goods through Pakistani land route to Afghanistan. Next round of negotiations between Pak-Afghan authorities would be held at Islamabad during December 19-21 this year to conclude the negotiations and draft by December 31, 2009.

He further informed that USAID is undertaking a study for formalization of informal trade between the two countries and the study is expected to be completed by June 2010. He, however, said that we would like that both the authorities conclude negotiations and implement the recommendations of the study report when these are available.

He informed that Ministry of Commerce fully support the idea of allowing Afghan imports through Pakistani airports. FBR had earlier opposed this suggestion due to its limited capacity, but it has now shown its willingness on the said proposal.

Secretary informed that smuggling issue can only be resolved through policy instruments and technology. Pakistan has forwarded many proposals to Afghan side like equalization of duty structure on smuggled goods, quantitative restrictions, collection of tax and duty by Pakistani on goods in transit and transfer of such amounts to Afghanistan.

He also informed the committee that Afghan side is demanding to allow its trucks to carry goods from Karachi to Afghanistan and Pakistan is to take final position soon. He, however, said that if we are going to allow Afghan trucks than they would also allow Pakistani trucks to reach at Central Asian Republics (CARs) without any restrictions that our carriers facing right now including “extortion money” by different Afghan authorities and warlords.

He informed the committee that Pakistan’s negotiating team’s efforts should be appreciated as it has succeeded in getting the Afghan authorities agree on formalization of informal trade.

He informed that only due to security reasons Pakistan can ban import of any product under transit agreement, otherwise no ban can be imposed, as the international obligations require us to extend full transit rights to the land locked country.

Secretary also informed that there is no role of United States as well as World bank in ongoing bilateral APTTA negotiations as Pakistan has not allowed World Bank even to act as an observer in the ongoing negotiations.

Chairman of the committee and member stressed the need that foreign pressure, if any, must be rejected firmly during ongoing negotiations on APTTA, and Pakistan’s security concerns viz-a-viz India must be addressed. The committee asked the government to take stern action to stop smuggling from Afghanistan, protect Pakistani trucking industry and ensure Pakistan’s transit access to CARs under the agreement. The committee recommended that opening of a letter of credit be made mandatory for Afghan importers through Afghan banks to check smuggling of transit goods and that the duty structure of both the countries be harmonized to discourage smuggling.

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What is the volume of trade we talking about here? I suppose Afgan economy is very small also their purchasing power.
 
India-Afghan transit trade issue for composite dialogue

By A Reporter
Friday, 04 Dec, 2009

ISLAMABAD: Granting land route facility to India for its trade with Afghanistan could be discussed only in the bilateral composite dialogue, officials of the Ministry of Commerce said here on Thursday.

In a briefing to the National Assembly Standing Committee on Commerce, Commerce Secretary Salman Ghani said that granting land route transit trade facility to India through Wagah was beyond the jurisdiction of the commerce ministry. ‘It is out of question for us.’

He said that although the original Afghan Transit Trade Agreement had allowed India to export its goods to Afghanistan through Pakistan, an additional clause was inserted after the 1965 Pakistan-India war in the agreement, barring the use of Pakistani territory for Indian exports to Afghanistan.

The committee headed by Khurram Dastgir Khan was informed that Pakistan’s interest had been fully safeguarded during the four rounds of negotiations on Afghanistan-Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement (APTTA) and 95 per cent of the text of the agreement had been agreed and the remaining two proposals were to be negotiated in the fifth round of negotiations in Islamabad.

Mr Ghani said that the two remaining agenda items were formalisation of informal trade between the two countries and the Afghan proposal of allowing India to export its goods through Pakistani land route to Afghanistan.

The next round of negotiations between Pakistan and Afghan authorities would be held in Islamabad on Dec 19 to conclude negotiations and prepare a draft by Dec 31.

The committee was also informed that USAID was undertaking a study for formalisation of informal trade between the two countries and it was expected to be completed by June next year.

The commerce secretary said that smuggling could be checked only through policy instruments and upgradation of technology for checking the trade.

‘Pakistan has forwarded proposals to the Afghan side to equalise duty structure on items that are smuggled back into Pakistan,’ the committee was informed.

The committee said that under the transit trade agreement Pakistan could ban movement of goods only for security reasons.

The committee was informed that the Afghan side was demanding that their trucks be allowed to carry goods from Karachi to Afghanistan.

‘Pakistan wants to grant this facility to Afghanistan as it would also allow movement of our trucks to cross Afghanistan,’ the committee was informed.

‘This would eventually allow Pakistan to transport its goods to Central Asia,’ Mr Ghani said.

At present, due to absence of any formal regulations, Afghan authorities and private players in Afghanistan demand ransom and bribery from trucks carrying Pakistani goods across Afghanistan.

‘An average of $400 is paid by each truck to cross Afghanistan,’ the commerce secretary said.

The committee asked the government to take stern notice of smuggling from Afghanistan, protect Pakistani trucking industry and ensure Pakistan’s transit access to Central Asia under the agreement.

The committee recommended that opening of a letter of credit be made mandatory for all Afghan importers through Afghan banks to check smuggling of transit goods and that the duty structure of both countries be harmonised to discourage smuggling.

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APTTA talks begin today

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ISLAMABAD (December 19 2009): Pakistan and Afghanistan are scheduled to begin the fourth round of negotiations from Saturday, December 19, on the US-supported Afghanistan Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement (APTTA) which, according to Pakistani stakeholders--Federal Board of Revenue (FBR), Foreign Ministry and business community--is against Pakistan's interests.

Sources told Business Recorder that the United States Ambassador in Pakistan, Anne Patterson, recently held a meeting with Commerce Minister Amin Fahim in which she pressed the officials to allow land route transit facility to India for Afghanistan. Pakistan team will be headed by Senior Joint Secretary, Commerce, Shahid Bashir, whereas Adib Farhadi, Deputy Minister for Commerce and Industries, will lead the Afghan panel. The fourth round, scheduled to continue for three days, is being held in a local hotel and will be monitored by US officials.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs, sources said, is of the view that transit trade agreement with Afghanistan has damaged Pakistan's economy in major ways. It facilitated widespread smuggling, promoted the culture of tax evasion, and undermined Pakistan's domestic industry. It has also made a mockery of Pakistan's import and customs levy regimes.

US Trade and Development Agency compiled a briefing book for South Asia transport and trade facilitation conference in 2006. Discussing data from late 1980s, it states: "according to 1965's Atta, Afghan traders do not pay duty to Pakistan for goods imported from a third country but around 80 percent of goods entering Afghanistan are subsequently smuggled back to Pakistan". Another stakeholder, FBR, has a number of complaints against Commerce Ministry for not taking care of its relevant suggestions with regard to APTTA.

For instance, the Board observed that its proposals regarding safeguards against smuggling back of the transit goods had been consistently disregarded, and excluded from the draft agreement. According to the Board, exclusion of such safeguards is not appropriate at such forums as it provides a proper opportunity to firm up the point of view on longstanding issues.


FRB Chairman Sohail Ahmad in one his letters to former Secretary Commerce Suleman Ghani said that attempts to include airports for use of transit trade goods had been made without taking on board the stakeholders; although, during the Kabul meeting, the Board's representative had succeeded in bracketing the inclusion of airports, but only after lot of argument with the Pakistani team.

"Board is of the considered opinion that although Afghanistan has no access to sea waters, yet it does have access to atmospheric air and needs no Pakistani airspace and airports for transit of goods," Sohail said. He argued that airports, being security-sensitive, have paucity of space to handle even local imports/exports, let alone foreign transit trade goods.

The Board, therefore, opposed the inclusion of airports in the transit regime as it had never allowed airports to other countries like ECO, Saarc, etc, in any multilateral or bilateral agreements. Afghanistan should not be an exception, the Board argued.

Official sources told this scribe that the Afghan side has also attempted to include the phrase 'legal crossing points' in the discussion of transit and trade policy group which, according to them, implies three stations--Torkhan, Ghulam Khan and Chamman. This would mean that all the rest of the existing 18 customs stations would be rendered illegal.

The country's business community, especially General Tyre, tea companies ie Lipton, Brooke Bond, Tapal and Service Shoes, have expressed serious concerns over the current talks on APTTA. These business groups are of the view that one-sided APTTA is creating acute problems for Pakistan's industry.

Smuggling is rampant, and could lead to closure of many industries which could result in loss of thousands of jobs affecting millions of households, besides loss of billions of rupees in terms of duties and taxes. However, Commerce Ministry pointed out that in the operational ATTA of 1965, both imports and exports in transit through Pakistan were available to Afghanistan.

By invoking the provisions relating to security concerns, imports from India to Afghanistan, through land route, was not made operational. According to Commerce Ministry, Indian goods, in any case, can and are imported through Pakistani ports for transit to Afghanistan.

Analysts are of the considered opinion that allowing any transit goods from India to Afghanistan via Pakistan through any route, including Wagah, should not be accepted by Pakistani side, even if there is any pressure from Washington. The third round of negotiations between Pakistan and Afghanistan was held in Kabul November 21-22, 2009.

The Commerce Ministry had hoped that it would conclude the agreement during the third round. However, stiff resistance from FBR, Foreign Ministry and intelligence agencies, on concessions requested by Afghanistan, forced a fourth round to be held, which will continue till December 21, 2009. It is not expected to be final.

The local transport industry has already informed the Ministry of Communication that the APTTA is likely to allow entry of Afghan vehicles for transporting transit trade cargo from Karachi, which would strongly hurt Pakistan's commercial transport industry.

Sources further said that the government is also formulating a new trucking policy, which needs to be amended in view of the proposed APTTA. The government should allow import of trucks on concessionary rate of duties and taxes to facilitate the trucking industry.

Business Recorder [Pakistan's First Financial Daily]
 
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What is the volume of trade we talking about here? I suppose Afgan economy is very small also their purchasing power.

Per the CIA factbook

Imports around $5 billion

Exports around $500 million

Pakistan India share in above were posted earlier in the thread by me.
 
Per the CIA factbook

Imports around $5 billion

Exports around $500 million

Pakistan India share in above were posted earlier in the thread by me.

That said, there is a lot of money to be made as NATO invests in agriculture and other sectors of the economy, and India does not want to miss out on the possible billions.
 
Give and take : India has to stop funding for enemies of Pakistan and take the fruit of trading with Central Asia through most cheapest way.
 
Accord on free truck movement with Afghanistan


ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and Afghanistan have agreed to allow trucks to move freely in each other’s territory.

According to the accord, Afghan trucks would now be able to operate up to the Karachi port, while Pakistani trucks could move across Afghanistan towards Central Asia.

This was decided at the fourth round of talks on the Afghan-Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement, which started here on Saturday.


However, Pakistan did not agree to allow Indian goods to transit through its territory into Afghanistan. A Pakistani official said the issue could only be discussed at the composite dialogue with India.



An Afghan official said the issue was a ‘minor irritant’ and it would not derail the talks. A commerce ministry official said changes were likely to be made in the 1965 Transit Trade Agreement.

The three major pending issues are transit facility, trucking facility and (prevention of) smuggling, he said, adding that relevant bodies would finalise their reports by the end of the talks on Dec 21.


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Now I think pakistan must realize the economic importance of the issue and allow india transit route for better co-operation...

Cheers..:enjoy:
 
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Now I think pakistan must realize the economic importance of the issue and allow india transit route for better co-operation...

Pakistan knows the importance therefore doesn't allow trucks from India.

I hope that trucks from Afghanistan will go thorugh a tight check up and scrutny while entering Pakistan.
 
Pakistan knows the importance therefore doesn't allow trucks from India.

I hope that trucks from Afghanistan will go thorugh a tight check up and scrutny while entering Pakistan.

Well you are-security..!!!

One Question- Why in these tough times when insurgencies are up and out then these free movements are being allowed... Can`t wait for sometime and let insurgencies settle.../???
 

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