Abandoning the US, More Scientists Go to China

[MH.Yang]

That brain drain is China's pure and simple. That isn't Americans going to China to study and stay. So don't try and sugarcoat China's brain drain by making it sound like we are running at a loss.



So are you still going to say we are somehow having a brain drain if 90% of the Indian nationals go back and only 10% stay?? Is this "new math" or something?

The fact is that Chinese students consume American educational resources and then choose to work for China.

You may have left 10% of Chinese students, but the other 90% have been trained using American resources. They could have been used to cultivate American students.

Nearly 90% of all Chinese students return home after studying abroad: MOE - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The fact is that Chinese students consume American educational resources and then choose to work for China.

You may have left 10% of Chinese students, but the other 90% have been trained using American resources. They could have been used to cultivate American students.

It doesn't work that way. The colleges aren't necessarily reducing the number of US students admitted as they have enrollment goals. It's usually expanding the class size not cutting down on students.

If anything foreign students are subsidizing the tuition of US students since they are paying the full cost while US citizens get grants or if it is a state school they pay maybe half.

 

[jhungary]

The fact is that Chinese students consume American educational resources and then choose to work for China.

You may have left 10% of Chinese students, but the other 90% have been trained using American resources. They could have been used to cultivate American students.

Nearly 90% of all Chinese students return home after studying abroad: MOE - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

You would be amazing to know how Western Institution prioritise local student. And as one International Student put it on tiktok

"University in the west treat them like Cash Cow, they don't care if they "International Student" graduate or not"

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7232999376031911175

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/do-better-international-student-blasts-australias-university-system-in-wild-rant/news-story/1306db398ee6468e8e0544b232327413#:~:text=An%20international%20student%20living%20in%20Melbourne%20has%20slammed,to%20being%20an%20international%20student%20in%20the%20country.

Resource in the west does not get diminished because they accept international student because they are not having any. in fact, most college in the west (America, Australia a like) have a system that game the international student and help local students. From extended tutoring hours free to local students and placement/post graduate support is virtually non-existent for international student, all those were paid for by international tuition.

 

[zhxy]

You would be amazing to know how Western Institution prioritise local student. And as one International Student put it on tiktok

"University in the west treat them like Cash Cow, they don't care if they "International Student" graduate or not"

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7232999376031911175

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/do-better-international-student-blasts-australias-university-system-in-wild-rant/news-story/1306db398ee6468e8e0544b232327413#:~:text=An%20international%20student%20living%20in%20Melbourne%20has%20slammed,to%20being%20an%20international%20student%20in%20the%20country.

Resource in the west does not get diminished because they accept international student. in fact, most college in the west (America, Australia a like) have a system that game the international student and help local students. From extended tutoring hours free to local students and placement/post graduate support is virtually non-existent for international student.

It is just the opinion of some individuals.

Universities treat international students like kings, but there will be some exceptions. And they only care about those exceptions and exaggerate it for some reason like racism or discrimination, that's how the media system makes money. And most of us only care about negative information.

 

[jhungary]

It is just the opinion of some individuals.

Universities treat international students like kings, but there will be some exceptions. And they only care about those exceptions and exaggerate it for some reason like racism or discrimination, that's how the media system makes money. And most of us only care about negative information.

Read the article form news.com.au

This is the general experience if you study in Australia right now. It gets so bad they asked the Council of International Student (CISA) to intervene because the university themselves won't do anything.

And as far as I saw with my own eyes, it really goes that way because if you are not a local, there are a lot of privilege you cannot access, for example, if you are a visa holder, you can only work 20 hours a week, and you can't get industrial placement (Which is what you need to do to graduate) if you can only work 20 hours a week.

And then you have the overarching HECS, which literally means you do a lot of things, and the government would pay for. America on this end is actually better than Australia because Australia being a welfare state, you have a lot of perk being a local, America they mostly see everyone being the same but you still have advantage if you are a US Citizens.

 

[zhxy]

Read the article form news.com.au

This is the general experience if you study in Australia right now. It gets so bad they asked the Council of International Student (CISA) to intervene because the university themselves won't do anything.

And as far as I saw with my own eyes, it really goes that way because if you are not a local, there are a lot of privilege you cannot access, for example, if you are a visa holder, you can only work 20 hours a week, and you can't get industrial placement (Which is what you need to do to graduate) if you can only work 20 hours a week.

And then you have the overarching HECS, which literally means you do a lot of things, and the government would pay for. America on this end is actually better than Australia because Australia being a welfare state, you have a lot of perk being a local, America they mostly see everyone being the same but you still have advantage if you are a US Citizens.

Both situations occur at the same time. Preference for international students and discrimination against international students.

Of course, the same priority is given to foreign students, but East Asian universities will give priority to international students more than Western universities.

Western universities were vaccinated many years ago. They know the true face of international students. And they have methods for dealing with students by race and country.
- Students from African regions have higher rates of HIV and certain diseases than other regions, so they will find some reason to reject these students, or they accept but keep distance
- Students from South Asian regions have very high rates of sexual harassment and abuse against women, so Western universities also take some measures to prevent that from happening.
- Students from East Asia are mostly richer than other international students, so they are dairy cows and exploited.

So preference and discrimination, it happens at the same time. It's a hidden rule, universities don't say it directly. As a result, some international students will feel discriminated against and complain, but many others will feel preferred.

 

[jhungary]

Both situations occur at the same time. Preference for international students and discrimination against international students.

Actually, no. They can't prefer international students. Well, they used to do it in Australia. But now a part of being able to stay registered as RTO (Registered Training Organisation) is to have a set amount of local student accepted. I think it's 60/40 (40% international students) in order for the university not to take a lot of international students. The result? International Student fee is more than doubled or even triple to what local HECS fee.

For example I can take a BComm course in UNSW for $14395 as a local HECS paying student (I actually don't pay anything unless I earn 55k and pay tax)

Same course would have cost you (Assume you are not an Australian Citizens) $45300 a year

It used to be less than double (I think 180% of a local fee) but since they change the quota policy. And to be honest, nothing is worth paying 3 times the fee even if you are "Preferred"

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

- Students from East Asia are mostly richer than other international students, so they are dairy cows and exploited.

Actually it is the West Asians who are considered the wealthiest and the dairy cows...especially the Saudis.