40% of patients seeking treatment at Vellore CMC are Bangladeshis

[itsanufy]

What we got from this post is the following:

1. Top management is still local Bangladeshi (somehow, this doesn't sound as shocking as it might have seemed to have been);
2. Many Indians working there are carpet-baggers, flying in on Tuesday morning to return on Thursday evening; what work gets done in these two working days is not clear;
3. Apparently Apollo are lying through their teeth, claiming that their (Indian) doctors are managing and running the elaborate facilities seen in the pictures;
4. There is a huge population of illegal immigrants in India; Amit Shah is right after all, these people are termites taking away the thousand rupee jobs from honest sons and daughters of the soil, and preventing the dramatic boom in local transport that might take place if all the people from Malda (who, in reality, are people from Faridpur) are sent back to Malda, en route to Faridpur;
5. Some dramatic improvements have taken place in the infrastructure and in living conditions, including ready availability of power, well-stocked markets, and a general air of prosperity;
6. The excess money being earned, either by Bangladeshis living in India with false id, or earning a lot of money in Bangladesh itself, is ploughed into real estate, and a lot of land is being bought up by newly-rich Bangladeshis; as a result, land-owners are getting far better prices than they had seen before, and this is unfortunate, because they should not make money, only the buyer, the genuine West Bengali buyer, should make money by buying cheap;
7. Finally, healthcare remains a neglected area, as apparently Bangladeshis do not have it in them either to be doctors or be nurses. The X Ray report reminds me of my brother, a radiologist in Calcutta (not yet absorbed in Bangladesh); he never gets a reference direct, and is ALWAYS the second reference, because he does not pay what in the medical profession (or medical trade) is called dash money - kickbacks to the referring doctor from the referred specialist. He is the second reference because the first, dash-money referee usually (in 95% cases) is incompetent. Not much to choose between Bangladeshi and West Bengali radiographers, it seems.

An interesting post.

1. You are right, Indians (Mostly Bengalis) work as a consultant there.
2. WFH was a concept long back, three days in BD and 2 days from India. This was how the contractors used to work. Even now much has not been changed.
3. I have no idea about Apollos claim, but I have never meet any doctor physically in BD. I used to go every 3-4 months some three years back. Will again start again in few weeks. If i see anyone I will update you.
4. Its your interpretation, My story was from 2005-2007, even in 2007 I have seen BD colony between Malekpet and Afzalgunj. As you are from Hyd you can ask locals, they will confirm you.
All were not from Malda, some are from BD, may be from Faridpur or somewhere else. You must not have visited West Bengal for long. Please find these links for BD caught in recent time and many more

ED swoop in Bengal leads to arrest of six Bangladeshi fugitives with fake Indian identities

All the six Bangladeshi nationals had successfully managed to obtain Indian citizenship less than three years after disappearing from Dhaka

www.newindianexpress.com

Bangladeshi 'terrorist' held in West Bengal | Kolkata News - Times of India

The West Bengal CID has arrested a "wanted Bangladeshi terrorist" from a house he had taken on rent in North 24 Parganas district, one of its senior o

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

21 Bangladeshi men nabbed in Kolkata after UP police come looking for trafficker

Although such arrests of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh is not uncommon in Bengal, so many people have not been held in Kolkata during a single raid in recent years, police officers said.

www.hindustantimes.com

Indian JMB operative held in Bengal after arrest of Bangladeshis in MP

KOLKATA/BHOPAL: An Indian national and suspected member of the banned Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB) was arrested from Bankra in Bengal’s Howrah district on Wednesday by the Special Task Force (STF) of the state police in connection with the recent arrest of several Bangladeshi JMB...

www.hindustantimes.com

5. BD has developed beyond my imagination. Loadshedding was one of the major curse few years back. Any resident BD will vow for me.
6. Again an interpretation by you. As economy has developed they have gone back to settle there.
7. This was what told to us by one of famous orthopedics in Kolkata. I am not qualified enough to judge that. But the number of BD patient in Kolkata gives us proof that something is wrong in BD
This year Mamta didi has got more than 10000 crores + investment proposal in the Medical sector from the likes of Apollo, Manipal, Fortis, Woodlands, CMRI etc

So what is your point, at the end of this very detailed analysis?

Whatever you told is not fully correct.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You are right, Indians (Mostly Bengalis) work as a consultant there.

AFAIK, per hour rates are higher for consultants than for monthly-salaried employees. So the original point, that Indians are to be seen widely distributed in Bangladeshi professional circles does not stand contradicted, merely refined.

WFH was a concept long back, three days in BD and 2 days from India. This was how the contractors used to work. Even now much has not been changed.

That begs the question, was it like this even before the COVID pandemic? Is it likely to have become a permanent way of working? It appears that a temporary expedient, one that has seen widespread adoption in every economy in the world, is being displayed as a permanent feature, and as in some way, contradicting the basic point that Indians are employed in large numbers, at high earnings levels, and in some way, negating the popular Indian suspicion that huge sums of money are being drained out of India by a large number of people with very meagre earnings. The contradiction is clear and obvious. The contrast between significant numbers earning very high level amounts of money, and very large numbers (as alleged, never proven) earning barely more than survival levels is almost a caricature.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I have no idea about Apollos claim, but I have never meet any doctor physically in BD. I used to go every 3-4 months some three years back. Will again start again in few weeks. If i see anyone I will update you.

Apollo's claim is there on public record, and we must live with the fact that some of us are unaware of this claim and oblivious to its implications. I take it that the claim of this rather well-known group, Apollo, should not be discarded because we have none of us personally had occasion to go to the Apollo facilities in Bangladesh.

Its your interpretation, My story was from 2005-2007, even in 2007 I have seen BD colony between Malekpet and Afzalgunj. As you are from Hyd you can ask locals, they will confirm you.

The last part first - we are overwhelmed by workers from Mizoram and Meghalaya, and from Assam. I agree that it is regrettable that these foreigners come and take our jobs, but that is how it is. There are also significant numbers of Marwaris and Gujaratis, who have, as it happens, been located in Hyderabad for centuries. More foreigners.

If they had been so prolific, surely we should have seen some evidence of them. Malekpet and Afzalgunj are not exactly the back of beyond. Anecdotal evidence of this is missing. Regarding BD colonies, we seem to have gotten into the common habit of describing everyone with a Bengali accent that is not a standard Calcutta Bengali as an illegal Bangladeshi immigrant. It is difficult to counter this wilful self-deception.

 

[Bilal9]

What we got from this post is the following:

1. Top management is still local Bangladeshi (somehow, this doesn't sound as shocking as it might have seemed to have been);
2. Many Indians working there are carpet-baggers, flying in on Tuesday morning to return on Thursday evening; what work gets done in these two working days is not clear;
3. Apparently Apollo are lying through their teeth, claiming that their (Indian) doctors are managing and running the elaborate facilities seen in the pictures;
4. There is a huge population of illegal immigrants in India; Amit Shah is right after all, these people are termites taking away the thousand rupee jobs from honest sons and daughters of the soil, and preventing the dramatic boom in local transport that might take place if all the people from Malda (who, in reality, are people from Faridpur) are sent back to Malda, en route to Faridpur;
5. Some dramatic improvements have taken place in the infrastructure and in living conditions, including ready availability of power, well-stocked markets, and a general air of prosperity;
6. The excess money being earned, either by Bangladeshis living in India with false id, or earning a lot of money in Bangladesh itself, is ploughed into real estate, and a lot of land is being bought up by newly-rich Bangladeshis; as a result, land-owners are getting far better prices than they had seen before, and this is unfortunate, because they should not make money, only the buyer, the genuine West Bengali buyer, should make money by buying cheap;
7. Finally, healthcare remains a neglected area, as apparently Bangladeshis do not have it in them either to be doctors or be nurses. The X Ray report reminds me of my brother, a radiologist in Calcutta (not yet absorbed in Bangladesh); he never gets a reference direct, and is ALWAYS the second reference, because he does not pay what in the medical profession (or medical trade) is called dash money - kickbacks to the referring doctor from the referred specialist. He is the second reference because the first, dash-money referee usually (in 95% cases) is incompetent. Not much to choose between Bangladeshi and West Bengali radiographers, it seems.

An interesting post.

Dada Bangladeshi doctors and nurses are all ill trained and if you say that they are largely "koshais" then it will not be too far from the truth. Well qualified doctors are too much in demand and hence expensive. It's not that Bangladesh lacks equipment and technology, they lack education and a service attitude.

The better doctors and nurses (generally all professionals) have all left for greener pastures overseas. What is left (from labor all the way to minister) is basically a bunch of goru-gadhas with fake degrees and/or connections. It is surprising the country is functioning and some say prospering. The need for Kolkata professional expertise is therefore needed because of qualitative edge.

 

[Joe Shearer]

All were not from Malda, some are from BD,

And how do we know this? Second, while this might have been a source of immigration in the grim times when earning a living in Bangladesh was difficult, it is difficult also to reconcile this vision with the admittedly increasing prosperity of Bangladesh itself.

BD has developed beyond my imagination. Loadshedding was one of the major curse few years back. Any resident BD will vow for me.

So who is contradicting this? It is bizarre, however, that as matters improve within Bangladesh, and go beyond the levels of West Bengal and the rest of India, we are being told that the problem is present today, if not increasing in severity on an exponential time scale.

Again an interpretation by you. As economy has developed they have gone back to settle there.

No, it isn't. It is a paraphrase of your earlier post.

This was what told to us by one of famous orthopedics in Kolkata. I am not qualified enough to judge that. But the number of BD patient in Kolkata gives us proof that something is wrong in BD

Quite possible; even probable. It is a little mysterious why what was mentioned as a mutually beneficial arrangement is in some way being quoted back to us as proof of some indeterminate kind of wrong-doing. The kind that is summed up by saying that there is something seriously, gravely wrong, that what this is may not be clear at the moment, but having decided that something is wrong, efforts will be made to gather evidence that bears this out.

This was what told to us by one of famous orthopedics in Kolkata. I am not qualified enough to judge that. But the number of BD patient in Kolkata gives us proof that something is wrong in BD

All I did was to point out that the situation is equally appalling on both sides of the border.

 

[INS_Vikrant]

Since CMC Vellore receives so many medical tourist not just from india bit also foreign nationals its weird and sad for emergency/critical patients that city doesn't has even a domestic airport forget international

 

[Joe Shearer]

Dada Bangladeshi doctors and nurses are all ill trained and if you say that they are largely "koshais" then it will not be too far from the truth. Well qualified doctors are too much in demand and hence expensive. It's not that Bangladesh lacks equipment and technology, they lack education and a service attitude.

The better doctors and nurses (generally all professionals) have all left for greener pastures overseas. What is left (from labor all the way to minister) is basically a bunch of goru-gadhas with fake degrees and/or connections. It is surprising the country is functioning and some say prospering. The need for Kolkata professional expertise is therefore needed because of qualitative edge.

Of course.

Nobody is denying that.

The point was to show that all were benefited by this symbiotic relationship.

Since CMC Vellore receives so many medical tourist not just from india evidently its weird and sad for emergency/critical patients that city doesn't has an air port

A brilliant point.

Whatever you told is not fully correct.

It is good to read the corrections.

 

[Bilal9]

The CEO of Evercare (formerly Apollo) Hospitals in Dhaka and Chittagong is a Dr. and medical administrator from Mumbai...

BTW - There is an Evercare Hospital in Lahore as well.

Dr Ratnadeep Chaskar - phone & email - Evercare Hospital Dhaka - Ceo

Dr Ratnadeep Chaskar - Ceo - Evercare Hospital Dhaka - email id & phone of top management contacts like Founder, CEO, CFO, CMO, CTO, Marketing or HR or Finance head.

www.easyleadz.com

There are also specialists working in for Evercare in Bangladesh who can coordinate treatment in Mumbai.

The “Evercare HIP Centre” is managed under direct supervision of Dr. Nandkumar Katakdhond , a Senior Consultant ORTHOPAEDICS & JOINT REPLACEMENT (HIP & KNEE) at Evercare Hospital Dhaka.

Evercare Hospital Dhaka- evercare hip centre

“Evercare HIP Centre” is the first super specialty Hip Centre in Bangladesh, dealing with all problems related to the Hip Joint

www.evercarebd.com

Since CMC Vellore receives so many medical tourist not just from india bit also foreign nationals its weird and sad for emergency/critical patients that city doesn't has even a domestic airport forget international

As the crow flies, distance between Vellore and Chennai is 126 km= 78 miles, which is easily covered by a two hour bus trip from Chennai Int'l Airport. Cost is somewhere around $5-$10.