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A great General and a Hero of Pakistan ...He will always be remembered a legend of ISI 
“IN MEMORY OF GEN HAMID GUL”
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Err mods @waz what is this? He is simply repeating what is in OP.
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A solider who served the country, who was true to soil and salt, lived in Pakistan and died in Pakistan ...Salute janaab Hamid Gul Sahab
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RIP oh Great General. There were many great people that came in Pakistan's lifespan. But non has seen the likes of you.
Any good reason why your *** is on fire? And what are you doing in this thread dedicated to your nations worst nightmare?
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I respect Gen Sahib for the services to Pakistan but have not been a fan after his active support for Gulbuddin Hikmatyar bombing of Jalalabad for the simple reason that I am against the attempt to make Afghanistan a client state. Now that Gen Sahib has already met his maker, it is not for me to critically appraise how good or bad he was for Pakistan overall.
Nevertheless, Gen Hamid Gul was a man of note & his actions had international implications and also he was an opinion maker for many Pakistanis; it is therefore relevant to know what others think about him. Here is his obituary as published in the Daily Telegraph, a widely circulated UK paper.
General Hamid Gul, Pakistan spymaster - obituary
Spy chief who funnelled cash to Afghan fighters in the 1980s then became vocally anti-American
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General Hamid Gul Photo: Getty Images
6:31PM BST 17 Aug 2015
General Hamid Gul, who has died aged 78, was a former leader of Pakistan’s spy agency, the ISI, who became notorious as a “godfather” of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the flag-bearer of hardline Islamist opinion in his own country.
Gul became head of the ISI in 1987 at a time when America and Saudi Arabia were using the agency to funnel billions of dollars and armaments to militant groups fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan – groups that would later become the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
One of his proudest possessions was a piece of the Berlin Wall, presented to him by the people of the city in gratitude for “delivering the first blow” to the Soviet empire through his use of jihadi fighters.
As head of the ISI during the civil war that followed the Soviet withdrawal in early 1989, Gul masterminded the unsuccessful Mujahideen operation to capture Jalalabad from the Afghan army, an operation which, contrary to all expectations, proved that the army could fight without Soviet help.
Ostensibly as a result of this failure, Gul was immediately sacked by Pakistan’s prime minister Benazir Bhutto – “on George Bush senior’s orders” Gul later claimed – and in 1992 he took early retirement from the army.
Gul was not a man to underestimate his own abilities: “The unruly Mujahideen commanders obeyed and respected him like no one else,” he claimed in his online autobiography. In retirement he nursed a deep sense of grievance about the way he had been treated by America which, he claimed, had him sacked, not because of any failure on his part, but because of his ideological commitment to the fundamentalist cause.
“The Americans thought they could use the fundamentalists to fight the Russians and drop them,” he told an interviewer. “This is what they do, they build something up and then destroy it. They did the same with ISI. When George Bush senior felt we were becoming too independent and ideologically motivated he said 'clip the wings of ISI’ and had me sacked.”
After the September 11 attacks, Gul emerged as a cheerleader for anti-American feeling in Pakistan, revelling in his notoriety as fundamentalist bogeyman in the west. On television chat shows he portrayed the attacks as the work of Mossad, aimed at giving the US a pretext for declaring war on Islam.
“They picked up the scenario from a Tom Clancy novel. They probably didn’t reckon with the towers crumbling so quickly,” he said.
Hamid Gul: nursed a sense of grievance about the way he had been treated by America Photo: EPA
When US special forces killed Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad in 2011, Gul helped to spread a rumour that US forces had actually eliminated the al-Qaeda leader in Afghanistan and brought his body to Abbottabad to humiliate Pakistan.
Gul’s name featured frequently in allegations of jihadist plots. In 2006, when Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf suggested a cabal of “rogue” ex-ISI officers was helping the Taliban, his name was thought to be on the list. In 2008 the government of Sindh province named him on a charge sheet related to a plot to kill Benazir Bhutto.
It was hard to imagine Gul, with his carefully coiffed hair and pressed shirts, skulking in the mountains of Waziristan, but in 2010 he was named nine times in the Afghan “war logs” – US military records released through WikiLeaks – which painted him as a major Taliban puppetmaster.
Intelligence reports from Afghan informants accused him, among other things, of smuggling magnetic mines into Afghanistan to attack Nato troops; plotting to kidnap UN staff; visiting a school for suicide bombers and meeting Arab militants in Pakistan’s tribal belt to send suicide vehicles into Afghanistan.
Experts tended to dismiss such reports, Afghan informers having a long tradition of spicing up their stories with names of the famous and infamous. Gul himself, while protesting his “moral support” for the Taliban, maintained there was no “physical dimension” to his involvement, and many Pakistanis were inclined to dismiss him as little more than a windbag to whom foreigners – especially western journalists – gave too much air time.
Yet there is little doubt that for a long time he had an impact on a conspiracy-minded Pakistan public, 49 per cent of whom, according to a 2011 Gallup poll, believed that bin Laden’s death had been faked by the US.
General Hamid Gul Photo: AFP
Hamid Gul was born in Sargodha, in Punjab Province, on November 20 1936 and was commissioned in the Armoured Corps of the Pakistan Army in 1958. During the 1965 war with India, he served as a tank commander and was decorated for bravery.
From 1972 to 1976 he served as a battalion commander under General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq, commanding officer of the 1st Armoured Division and Commander, II Corps, at Multan. Promoted to brigadier in 1978, following the coup d’etat that brought Zia to power, he rose to be the commander of the 1st Armoured Division, Multan, in 1980 and also served as martial law administrator in Bahawalpur.
It was General Zia who nominated him to succeed General Akhtar Abdur Rahman as head of the ISI in March 1987, but when Zia died in a mysterious plane crash in August 1988, paving the way for Pakistan’s first democratic elections in 11 years, Gul sought to protect his position by helping to cobble together the Islami Jamhoori Ittehad, an alliance of Right-wing Islamist parties headed by Nawaz Sharif, to prevent Benazir Bhutto from coming to power.
Gul’s continuation as head of the ISI was one of three conditions laid down by Pakistan’s army which Benazir Bhutto accepted as the price for coming to power, but his reprieve did not last long.
After his dismissal from the ISI, Gul served as commander of the Pakistan Army’s II Corps in Multan, but he retired early in 1992 after refusing to be shunted into a less prestigious post as head of an armaments factory.
According to Gul’s online autobiography, “People wait to listen to his direction before forming their own opinions.”
Yet towards the end of his life, as he continued to sound off about American conspiracies and demand military confrontation with India, he had come to be seen as out of touch.
General Gul is survived by his wife, a daughter and two sons.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obi...ral-Hamid-Gul-Pakistan-spymaster-obituary.htm
Nevertheless, Gen Hamid Gul was a man of note & his actions had international implications and also he was an opinion maker for many Pakistanis; it is therefore relevant to know what others think about him. Here is his obituary as published in the Daily Telegraph, a widely circulated UK paper.
General Hamid Gul, Pakistan spymaster - obituary
Spy chief who funnelled cash to Afghan fighters in the 1980s then became vocally anti-American
l
General Hamid Gul Photo: Getty Images
6:31PM BST 17 Aug 2015
General Hamid Gul, who has died aged 78, was a former leader of Pakistan’s spy agency, the ISI, who became notorious as a “godfather” of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the flag-bearer of hardline Islamist opinion in his own country.
Gul became head of the ISI in 1987 at a time when America and Saudi Arabia were using the agency to funnel billions of dollars and armaments to militant groups fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan – groups that would later become the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
One of his proudest possessions was a piece of the Berlin Wall, presented to him by the people of the city in gratitude for “delivering the first blow” to the Soviet empire through his use of jihadi fighters.
As head of the ISI during the civil war that followed the Soviet withdrawal in early 1989, Gul masterminded the unsuccessful Mujahideen operation to capture Jalalabad from the Afghan army, an operation which, contrary to all expectations, proved that the army could fight without Soviet help.
Ostensibly as a result of this failure, Gul was immediately sacked by Pakistan’s prime minister Benazir Bhutto – “on George Bush senior’s orders” Gul later claimed – and in 1992 he took early retirement from the army.
Gul was not a man to underestimate his own abilities: “The unruly Mujahideen commanders obeyed and respected him like no one else,” he claimed in his online autobiography. In retirement he nursed a deep sense of grievance about the way he had been treated by America which, he claimed, had him sacked, not because of any failure on his part, but because of his ideological commitment to the fundamentalist cause.
“The Americans thought they could use the fundamentalists to fight the Russians and drop them,” he told an interviewer. “This is what they do, they build something up and then destroy it. They did the same with ISI. When George Bush senior felt we were becoming too independent and ideologically motivated he said 'clip the wings of ISI’ and had me sacked.”
After the September 11 attacks, Gul emerged as a cheerleader for anti-American feeling in Pakistan, revelling in his notoriety as fundamentalist bogeyman in the west. On television chat shows he portrayed the attacks as the work of Mossad, aimed at giving the US a pretext for declaring war on Islam.
“They picked up the scenario from a Tom Clancy novel. They probably didn’t reckon with the towers crumbling so quickly,” he said.
When US special forces killed Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad in 2011, Gul helped to spread a rumour that US forces had actually eliminated the al-Qaeda leader in Afghanistan and brought his body to Abbottabad to humiliate Pakistan.
Gul’s name featured frequently in allegations of jihadist plots. In 2006, when Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf suggested a cabal of “rogue” ex-ISI officers was helping the Taliban, his name was thought to be on the list. In 2008 the government of Sindh province named him on a charge sheet related to a plot to kill Benazir Bhutto.
It was hard to imagine Gul, with his carefully coiffed hair and pressed shirts, skulking in the mountains of Waziristan, but in 2010 he was named nine times in the Afghan “war logs” – US military records released through WikiLeaks – which painted him as a major Taliban puppetmaster.
Intelligence reports from Afghan informants accused him, among other things, of smuggling magnetic mines into Afghanistan to attack Nato troops; plotting to kidnap UN staff; visiting a school for suicide bombers and meeting Arab militants in Pakistan’s tribal belt to send suicide vehicles into Afghanistan.
Experts tended to dismiss such reports, Afghan informers having a long tradition of spicing up their stories with names of the famous and infamous. Gul himself, while protesting his “moral support” for the Taliban, maintained there was no “physical dimension” to his involvement, and many Pakistanis were inclined to dismiss him as little more than a windbag to whom foreigners – especially western journalists – gave too much air time.
Yet there is little doubt that for a long time he had an impact on a conspiracy-minded Pakistan public, 49 per cent of whom, according to a 2011 Gallup poll, believed that bin Laden’s death had been faked by the US.
Hamid Gul was born in Sargodha, in Punjab Province, on November 20 1936 and was commissioned in the Armoured Corps of the Pakistan Army in 1958. During the 1965 war with India, he served as a tank commander and was decorated for bravery.
From 1972 to 1976 he served as a battalion commander under General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq, commanding officer of the 1st Armoured Division and Commander, II Corps, at Multan. Promoted to brigadier in 1978, following the coup d’etat that brought Zia to power, he rose to be the commander of the 1st Armoured Division, Multan, in 1980 and also served as martial law administrator in Bahawalpur.
It was General Zia who nominated him to succeed General Akhtar Abdur Rahman as head of the ISI in March 1987, but when Zia died in a mysterious plane crash in August 1988, paving the way for Pakistan’s first democratic elections in 11 years, Gul sought to protect his position by helping to cobble together the Islami Jamhoori Ittehad, an alliance of Right-wing Islamist parties headed by Nawaz Sharif, to prevent Benazir Bhutto from coming to power.
Gul’s continuation as head of the ISI was one of three conditions laid down by Pakistan’s army which Benazir Bhutto accepted as the price for coming to power, but his reprieve did not last long.
After his dismissal from the ISI, Gul served as commander of the Pakistan Army’s II Corps in Multan, but he retired early in 1992 after refusing to be shunted into a less prestigious post as head of an armaments factory.
According to Gul’s online autobiography, “People wait to listen to his direction before forming their own opinions.”
Yet towards the end of his life, as he continued to sound off about American conspiracies and demand military confrontation with India, he had come to be seen as out of touch.
General Gul is survived by his wife, a daughter and two sons.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obi...ral-Hamid-Gul-Pakistan-spymaster-obituary.htm
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1.The General had dedicated his life for the service to downtrodden Muslims everywhere. Muslim groups fighting for freedom anywhere received his patronage.
2. He would dream of a Muslim confederation of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Maldives and Arakan - to be joined eventually by Kerala, Assam and W Bengal.
3. He was preparing for a global convention on Arakan to be held at Islamabad when he passed away. Struggling Muslims will always remember him.
2. He would dream of a Muslim confederation of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Maldives and Arakan - to be joined eventually by Kerala, Assam and W Bengal.
3. He was preparing for a global convention on Arakan to be held at Islamabad when he passed away. Struggling Muslims will always remember him.
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We have rigged electionin Kashmir, what about rigging elections in Pakistan occupied Kashmir.
http://www.aninews.in/videosMQ/NTM2...n-occupied-kashmir-over-rigged-elections.html
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Just to clarify. What was he thinking when he said he'd "break India into a thousand pieces." Also didn't he say Pakistan could destroy the IA without nukes?
