US should totally isolate Pak: Ex-envoy

GURU DUTT said:

maybe your right but american senators and congressmen dont look at it like that for them lobying is perfectlly leagel but what about your cause as why a pakistani ambassdor to USA went against his own motherland/country even if you reject an northen allince afghan and what he is doing ?

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The reason may or may not be the same for which a top notch CIA spy goes against his own country or may Mir Sadiq or Purnaiah went against Sultan Tipu.

litefire said:

Not gonna happen. US fears that the total isolation of Pakistan will make it more unstable and then we will have another North Korea type rogue state or worse a failed govt will create a massive unrest within the country which will help the terrorist groups to gain more ground in the country with the risk of its nuclear arsenal falling into the hands of Taliban or worst the Daesh.

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The Americans can dream on. Pakistan doesn't require their support. In fact, they are already getting very little. Military aid is already zero. All other financial US aid is conditional and also nonexistent. It is sour grapes for the Americans. They have to admit that their war in Afghanistan has failed miserably. The Americans have empowered Afghan warlords who are corrupt and don't care about their people. Afghan narcotics production is at an all time high and all this under the watch of the Americans. The Taliban are calling the shots and have occupied large swaths of Afghan land. What is even more painful is how Pakistan is securing its border and repatriating the Afghans.

The Americans cannot digest Pakistan's nuclear capability. All they can do is to resort to conspiracy theories about these weapons.

maximuswarrior said:

This is end result: https://defence.pk/threads/kabul-suicide-bombing-40-cops-dead-and-50-injured.437218/

What did the US gain? They couldn't defeat the TTP in Afghanistan after more than a decade. So much for safety and sovereignty in Afghanistan. Today, apart from certain areas in Kabul Taliban rule the roost. Human rights is virtually non existent and Afghan warlords are fighting for the spoils. If this is what you call a success...

Don't worry too much about Pakistan. We're the most resilient country on the planet.

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Mind commenting something on similar attack on Turkey airport, so by that logic Turkey and Afghanistan are on same page.

People of Afghanistan look forward to prosperity and growth. The sole problem of Afghanistan is its eastern neighbor Pakistan. A country desperately using its all resources, funds and establishments (state and non state both) to destabilize a poor war torn country just for some delusional strategic interests.
Afghans can't be treated as sub nation, at least what history tells us. Soon Pakistanis will learn it hard way.

Most resilient.. lol.??where is your so called resilience against poverty, hunger or non education. Couldn't your resilience bring better life to Pakistani citizens or is it for producing suicide bombers and madarassa fed Jihadis.

Terminator said:

Mind commenting something on similar attack on Turkey airport, so by that logic Turkey and Afghanistan are on same page.

People of Afghanistan look forward to prosperity and growth. The sole problem of Afghanistan is its eastern neighbor Pakistan. A country desperately using its all resources, funds and establishments (state and non state both) to destabilize a poor war torn country just for some delusional strategic interests.
Afghans can't be treated as sub nation, at least what history tells us. Soon Pakistanis will learn it hard way.

Most resilient.. lol.??where is your so called resilience against poverty, hunger or non education. Couldn't your resilience bring better life to Pakistani citizens or is it for producing suicide bombers and madarassa fed Jihadis.

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Your denial won't change the reality. Today, Afghanistan has the support of the US and India. Despite this support the Afghans cannot change their fortunes. This is not due to Pakistan. This is because Afghanistan is a tribal infested country in a standstill. Afghanistan is a country where warlords have powerful militias who kill each other due to enmity and hatred. The Americans have empowered these Afghan warlords who are immensely corrupt and don't care about the plight of their own people. Afghan narcotics trade is at an all time high and all this under the watch of the Americans and her allies. Afghanistan doesn't even have a properly functioning economy. The Taliban are calling the shots and have occupied large swaths of Afghan land. Afghans and her allies are to be blamed for their own shortcomings. Blaming Pakistan after more than a decade of occupation is like hiding your own failures.

You seem to care so much for the Pakistani people. Why don't you see mass poverty in India? A nation where more than the entire combined population of Pakistan isn't guaranteed a meal? Why don't you see mass rape in India? Why don't you see radicalization in India? Ohhh, you're an Indian who doesn't have the guts to share his location.

maximuswarrior said:

The Americans can dream on. Pakistan doesn't require their support. In fact, they are already getting very little. Military aid is already zero. All other financial US aid is conditional and also nonexistent. It is sour grapes for the Americans. They have to admit that their war in Afghanistan has failed miserably. The Americans have empowered Afghan warlords who are corrupt and don't care about their people. Afghan narcotics is at an all time high and all this under the watch of the Americans. What is even more painful is how Pakistan is securing its border and repatriating the Afghans.

The Americans cannot digest Pakistan's nuclear capability. All they can do is to resort to conspiracy theories about these weapons.

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Well Pakistan does gets military aid for its fight against the terrorist at the Pak-Afghan border plus the IMF assistance to revive its slow economy. It cant just go through the difficult war on terror without it. However the relationship with the Americans is more fragile then ever.

maximuswarrior said:

We don't need to look very far. Just look at today's attack in his country. Afghanistan is a failed narcotic state with no future in sight. Even with the support of the world including the Americans.

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the writ of these druglords does'nt extent beyond their Presidential Palace.

if they stop discriminating and antagonising the Afghan pashtons specially and the rest of the people then the Afghan security issues can be resolved but why expect anything better from these thugs who sell off foreign aid items and smuggle the money out of the country? who justify raping boys and have Pakistan to blame for all misery in Afghanistan

Irfan Baloch said:

the writ of these druglords does'nt extent beyond their Presidential Palace.

if they stop discriminating and antagonising the Afghan pashtons specially and the rest of the people then the Afghan security issues can be resolved but why expect anything better from these thugs who sell off foreign aid items and smuggle the money out of the country? who justify raping boys and have Pakistan to blame for all misery in Afghanistan

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Like I said, it is sour grapes. They will keep blaming Pakistan, but that doesn't change the situation in Afghanistan. The security situation in Afghanistan can only improve if all stakeholders are fairly involved in the decision making process. Afghanistan is today like what Iraq was under US occupation when they were supporting one ethnic groups against the other. The Americans are fooling themselves by thinking that alienating the Pashtun elements will help their cause.

maximuswarrior said:

You seem to care so much for the Pakistani people. Why don't you see mass poverty in India? A nation where more than the entire combined population of Pakistan isn't guaranteed a meal? Why don't you see mass rape in India? Why don't you see radicalization in India? Ohhh, you're an Indian who doesn't have the guts to share his location.

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Leave it bro.. your are on denial mode.

We do recognize we have poverty and social problems and we are working hard on those issues, at least we dont thump our chest like you to be "MOST RESILIENT ON THE PLANET" .. your so called most resilient generals and politicians kneel down to world with begging bowl for funds and aid. To brush your information Pakistan is a bankrupt country.

Lol... Most Resilient ..to bomb your neighbor

Terminator said:

Leave it bro.. your are on denial mode.

We do recognize we have poverty and social problems and we are working hard on those issues, at least we dont thump our chest like you to be "MOST RESILIENT ON THE PLANET" .. your so called most resilient generals and politicians kneel down to world with begging bowl for funds and aid. To brush your information Pakistan is a bankrupt country.

Lol... Most Resilient ..to bomb your neighbor

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So, you are an Indian.

You have completely ignored my previous post. Why don't you answer my question regarding US and Indian support to Afghanistan? It is a bogus argument that after more than a decade the Americans couldn't improve the situation in Afghanistan. Why do the Americans support backward Afghan warlords who oppress their own people? Why do the Americans alienate the Pashtun segment in Afghanistan and support others? Why do the Americans turn a blind eye to the drugs problem in Afghanistan? Don't blame Pakistan for these problems.

As for bombing your neighbor, that is a rich comment. Don't tell me India is laying flowers in Afghanistan. When Indian sponsored suicide bombers enter Pakistan through Afghanistan and kill our people I don't hear you cry. Let's not get into this blame game because as the saying goes: "is hamaam me sab nange he."

maximuswarrior said:

So, you are an Indian.

You have completely ignored my previous post. Why don't you answer my question regarding US and Indian support to Afghanistan? It is a bogus argument that after more than a decade the Americans couldn't improve the situation in Afghanistan. Why do the Americans support backward Afghan warlords who oppress their own people? Why do the Americans alienate the Pashtun segment in Afghanistan and support others? Why do the Americans turn a blind eye to the drugs problem in Afghanistan? Don't blame Pakistan for these problems.

As for bombing your neighbor, that is a rich comment. Don't tell me India is laying flowers in Afghanistan.

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If there is a solution to all the problems of Afghans ..its the Pakistan start treating Afghanistan as a sovereign country, not their sub-nation and shun any dream of "Strategic Depths". The end less double games you played with US and allies for more than 10 years, you exposed yourself and even Pentagon is having difficulty supporting your case( Since Pentagon is the only establishment in US who still has some soft corner for you).

I believe US engagements with all kind of Afghan elements including war lords and ignoring Pakistani backed elements is fall out of double game policy of Pakistan.

GURU DUTT said:

no one becomes a traitor overnight and without a reason when that person was elected on such a important posts what about those who selected him for that posts and tell me can a ambassador to US be selected without support or say knowledge of your militarry establishment ?

HH was in such a high office but still gone against his own motherland .... there is more than meets the eye

as they say "haadsaa ek roz me nahi hota waqt kerta hai parvarish baron" hope you know what im talking about

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He is enjoying his life, and we are happy for him.
You seem to be a guy of Sufi taste, so for you, paish kerta hon:
Allah hi jany kon Bashar hai....Which mean nothing could be said that who is what.
I also hope you are understanding me well now.

Rana of Heryana said:

He is enjoying his life, and we are happy for him.
You seem to be a guy of Sufi taste, so for you, paish kerta hon:

Allah hi jany kon Bashar hai....Which mean nothing could be said that who is what.
I also hope you are understanding me well now.

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but sir its not just phylosofical talk im doing point is why he turned against those who had send him maybe he was right but since he was made a scape goat for or by some powerfull people at home or maybe he was worng person al along point is who and why send him to such an office in the first place you only send someone very close and trusted person who knows the best of your secrets to such a posts in a foriegn land so he could plead case of his motherland and you better than the rest of the people avilable .... am i wrong

why those who had send such s traitor who is openly doing all kind of mad and bad things against the interests of his own motherland and people not brought to task and answer why they had send him to the most lucrative post after COAS and your PM and president ?

biggest question which no one seem to have answer in pakistan or dont want to talk about is why did he turned against his own national interests ... please tell me im waiting for your reply

GURU DUTT said:

but sir its not just phylosofical talk im doing point is why he turned against those who had send him maybe he was right but since he was made a scape goat for or by some powerfull people at home or maybe he was worng person al along point is who and why send him to such an office in the first place you only send someone very close and trusted person who knows the best of your secrets to such a posts in a foriegn land so he could plead case of his motherland and you better than the rest of the people avilable .... am i wrong

why those who had send such s traitor who is openly doing all kind of mad and bad things against the interests of his own motherland and people not brought to task and answer why they had send him to the most lucrative post after COAS and your PM and president ?

biggest question which no one seem to have answer in pakistan or dont want to talk about is why did he turned against his own national interests ... please tell me im waiting for your reply

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Some times Mr Haqqani gets his tongue slipped, but doesn't mean he is a traitor. Its is becoming a international norm that if some one criticizes his/her own country's policies then he/she must be a traitor. When ever Haqqani says something against Pakistan, I assume he is talking about Pak army. He has some problems with army, which is totally healthy democratic viewpoint . Any body may have these views. Mr Hussain Haqqani had done many things for Pakistan, and I personally appreciate them also and hold my tongue before calling him a traitor.
I know many people wants him dead or kill him or slaughter him, but he is a nice gentlemen , and we should also appreciate his services for Pakistan.

Terminator said:

Mind commenting something on similar attack on Turkey airport, so by that logic Turkey and Afghanistan are on same page.

People of Afghanistan look forward to prosperity and growth. The sole problem of Afghanistan is its eastern neighbor Pakistan.

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Although there is no cure if someone is born with animosity and bigotry like yourself but
this video clip corrects your rants.

maximuswarrior said:

So, you are an Indian.

You have completely ignored my previous post. Why don't you answer my question regarding US and Indian support to Afghanistan?

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correct question is. why he is hiding his true flag?

Rana of Heryana said:

Some times Mr Haqqani gets his tongue slipped, but doesn't mean he is a traitor. Its is becoming a international norm that if some one criticizes his/her own country's policies then he/she must be a traitor. When ever Haqqani says something against Pakistan, I assume he is talking about Pak army. He has some problems with army, which is totally healthy democratic viewpoint . Any body may have these views. Mr Hussain Haqqani had done many things for Pakistan, and I personally appreciate them also and hold my tongue before calling him a traitor.
I know many people wants him dead or kill him or slaughter him, but he is a nice gentlemen , and we should also appreciate his services for Pakistan.

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now thats a diffrent view i have heared in so many years on PDF for HH there was a video he with one very famous pakistani TV show host reagrding his views on lines what your talking about

now on topic i guess what khalilzad or HH are saying they are saying as they have some conviction on that and no more about all kinds of public or dack channel diplomacy of which most guys in pakistani media or say on PDF dont even know 10%

and why wpould USA listen to these guys or still letting them do what they are doing there has to be reason for that one can not just brish all that aside by saying USA is blaming pakistan as it lost the WOT in Af-Pak region USA never attacks any nation on short term goals they are hardcore buinessmen and know how to take out profit from there "investment"