Indian state bans beef, introduces jail time for possession

Spring Onion said:

poor animals they don't have equal rights ?

they all are non-veg so when is a ban coming up?

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next law -- no cat shall ever eateth a mouse or deer.

wait, the smaller cats and leopards are almost extinct in india.

Bang Galore said:

So why do Muslims seek to impose restrictions of non-imagery rules of their religion on non-Muslims? Even in non-Muslim countries? Are you a supporter of the French & Danish cartoonists?

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She is not. she is a MOMINA.

Bang Galore said:

No rule specifying cows only. Other animals can take their place though as societies evolve, there should be no public spectacle of slaughter.

It may be a source of food, it is not the only source & no rule that people should eat whatever they want.

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On the bold highlighted part, I completely agree with you.

There should be no public spectacle of slaughter, it should be done in designated areas with all the proper hygienic conditions and also taking into consideration that the animal suffering is minimized.

The discussion is more about a majority religion enforcing its ideas on minority religions in a country which calls herself "Secular". Cow-slaughter is one of the many things that fanatic hindus sitting in govt. want to enforce on other minorities.

Ajit Kumar said:

Eggs are not Holy in Hinduism. Cow is. So no ban on eggs. Non-hindus can eat as much as eggs they can.

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there is ban on eggs in schools in madhya pradesh plus rajasthan also i think... it is against the rights of students to have a nutritious food in a increasingly enforced vegetarian environment.

Hindustani78 said:

Does freedom of expression means to provocation ?

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Depends. What causes offense to one may be different to what causes offense to others. I'm pretty much a fan of the French way of secularism but in India, we follow a different method of secularism where we try to treat all religions equally instead of completely cutting them off from the state's business. As a result we have evolved a commonsensical method where we try & prevent tense situations by imposing some restrictions on rights. Therefore we ban books & file cases against those who write offensive literature or indulge in hate speech even if by that action we are restricting freedom of speech of some. We do that because of the assumption of offense being caused to some group. If that is acceptable to some (in this case, Muslims) when it suits them, surely they should be okay with reasonable restrictions on their right to eat beef because it causes offense to Hindus. I'm not a fan of the beef ban but the arguments made by many here does smack of hypocrisy. You could argue that insisting on slaughtering cows is itself a provocation best avoided.

Bang Galore said:

So why do Muslims seek to impose restrictions of non-imagery rules of their religion on non-Muslims? Even in non-Muslim countries? Are you a supporter of the French & Danish cartoonists?

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She is not. she is a MOMINA.

jamahir said:

there is ban on eggs in schools in madhya pradesh plus rajasthan also i think... it is against the rights of students to have a nutritious food in a increasingly enforced vegetarian environment.

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On that case I support you.

jamahir said:

there is ban on eggs in schools in madhya pradesh plus rajasthan also i think... it is against the rights of students to have a nutritious food in a increasingly enforced vegetarian environment.

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They can eat it at home

The school meals are common meals provided by the government

Ajit Kumar said:

Worshiping Idols by Hindus is offensive to muslims in Islam or not , I am not talking about what is forbidden or what is not. And as you have mentioned eating one of these animals is mandatory that means you can eat goat. But eating cow is mandatory or not ?

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Worshiping idols by anyone, Hindu, Martian, Klingon is offensive to Muslims, Christians and Jews.

BUT it is still tolerated.

There are however some countries, which have embedded religion into their constitution and might even ban it.

But according to my knowledge in no secular country with majority Muslims, Christians, Jews the worship of Idols by Hindus is banned.

The same way we would expect that a country like India, which "proudly" calls itself a secular country, should not enforce the majority religion's ideas on minorities. At least not as long as she wants to call her secular.

Beef is freely available and consumed eventhough Sanghis are ruling India.

coffee_cup said:

Worshiping idols by anyone, Hindu, Martian, Klingon is offensive to Muslims, Christians and Jews.

BUT it is still tolerated.

There are however some countries, which have embedded religion into their constitution and might even ban it.

But according to my knowledge in no secular country with majority Muslims, Christians, Jews the worship of Idols by Hindus is banned.

The same way we would expect that a country like India, which "proudly" calls itself a secular country, should not enforce the majority religion's ideas on minorities. At least not as long as she wants to call her secular.

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So are you saying by default that Islam is Intolerant towards Hindus for worshiping Idols ? That means Muslims who follows Islam are by default INTOLERANT towards Hindus who worship IDOLS ?

Let it be known I utterly respect India or any Indian state that bans beef/meat. May all of India, every blessed square inch of it go "meat free" zone.

Let us start campaign [HASHTAG]#IndiaMeat[/HASHTAG] FreeZone

ito said:

You don't have any idea about Christianity. You are taking like a Muslim. Some sects of Christianity doesn't believe Jesus as god but son of god, but there are many sects such as orthodox Christianity that teaches Jesus as true god. Images have never been forbidden in Christianity. You will find scores of images of Christ and Mary in almost all Church across the world including Vatican.

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Images are forbidden as object of worship. But not as an art work.

coffee_cup said:

The discussion is more about a majority religion enforcing its ideas on minority religions in a country which calls herself "Secular". Cow-slaughter is one of the many things that fanatic hindus sitting in govt. want to enforce on other minorities.

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Yes & no. When freedom of expression is limited because it offends Muslims, is it not equally an imposition of minority will over a majority? This is a thin edge, you could argue both ways. It is well understood that India is not a conventional secular state like the likes of France.

In fact the founding fathers were very aware that while they stood for tolerance & the equal rights of all individuals, the provisions that they made allowing for a certain entry of religion into the business of state (both Hindu & non-Hindu) and that it wasn't reconcilable with the then common definition of secularism, they did not consider India to be a secular state like the European countries and avoided calling the country secular even though they did their best to give equal rights to all. Consequently, the constitution of 1950 had many clauses that were secular in nature but the preamble defining the state did not include the word. That was introduced by the Indira Gandhi government in the mid 1970's when the Indian definition of secularism had been better developed (also for political reasons) and when the courts had pronounced on the inviolability of India's secular nature.

Bang Galore said:

So why do Muslims seek to impose restrictions of non-imagery rules of their religion on non-Muslims? Even in non-Muslim countries? Are you a supporter of the French & Danish cartoonists?

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1. we do not impose ban on that in their country not even in India. We use our right to protest their offensive and insults they throw at our Prophet (PBUH).

If anyone insults Jesus(PBUH) or David (PBUH) even then we would stand up against this insulting drive.

2. We stand for respect to our Prophet (PBUH) across the world and do not mince our words or act otherwise unlike Indian Hindus who sell cows but at the same time want others not to eat beef.

3.. If you consider a cow ban is justified then why your Indian Parliament fails to intact a law in this regard/

3. When non-Hindu eat cow meat they are doing it to fulfill a natural, normal need for food NOT as an Insult whereas when you or for that matter French and danish or anyone depict our Prophet offensively that is altogether a different thing.

You can not compare a normal eating habit with an abnormal hate provocative action by French and others

Ajit Kumar said:

So are you saying by default that Islam is Intolerant towards Hindus for worshiping Idols ? That means Muslims who follows Islam are by default INTOLERANT towards Hindus who worship IDOLS ?

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Stop trolling and stay on topic.

You can not impose your religious ideas on the minorities and still call yourself secular.
Declare yourself "Hindu Republic of whatever" and ban whatever you want to for poor minorities.

Period !!