Grandstanding: PTI will create a Seraiki province, Qureshi says!

iioal malik · Jul 2, 2015

This shah mix qureashi has the habit of saying things without thinking...he lost his seat twice in recent time from south Punjab..Since metro will be ready next elections his future has dark dim lights written all over...

These filthy bastards champions of change repeating the history will continue to play with poor people emotions divide PPP on ethnic base.shamless over rated parti PTI

Kabira · Jul 2, 2015

ghoul said:
Well they rightfully divided their Punjab into Haryana and Himachal Pradesh, did all hell break lose there? The country closest to Pakistan is India, when it comes to diversity of language and culture. We were supposed to be a federation, not a kingdom-esque country which we are today.

Also, you want Gilgit Baltistan to be an independent province, free from the Islamabadi yoke. What do you think of Seraikis and Potoharis who literally have no say in political affairs of the province. Why should we be condemned to the mercy of Lahore forever? We Potoharis are still better for we once dominated the army, and were smart enough to go to other countries, but Seraikis suffer from Balochistan, interior Sindh style poverty, while most resources are spent on central Punjab by its(and hence our) corrupt elite.

lol no, development budget for south punjab is 36% while 32% population.

Development budget’s 36pc for S Punjab - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
‘Huge funds allocated for south Punjab development’

Other thing which has been done is recruit more seraikis in army compared to other regions from Punjab. Now south punjab share in army is also increasing and other region decreasing, since this was ignored by British. But lots has changed since then, Sindhis now make 15% of Pak army.

"Punjab shows an overall decline in recruitment of soldiers from 63.86 per cent in 1991 to 43.33 in 2005, with Central Punjab outpacing Northern Punjab, the traditional recruitment ground, by 7,500 to 5,000 recruits in 2005. Southern Punjab had 1,800 recruits. The NWFP and FATA increased from 20.91 per cent to 22.43 per cent, Sindh rose from 8.85 per cent to 23.02 per cent, with rural Sindh accounting for the majority of the recruits (5,095 to 2,500 in 2005), Baluchistan rose from 0.49 per cent to 1.52 per cent in 2005 with 200 urban to 300 rural recruits in 2005, and Azad Kashmir and the Northern Areas rising from 5.86 per cent to 9.70 per cent."

"Comparing the periods 1970 and 1990-2006, we also see a change in the relative share of officers recruited from different parts of the country. The Punjab rose marginally from 66.46 per cent to 66.93, but within the Punjab there are notable changes in the home districts of the officers shifting to the more populous and emerging urban centres of Central and even Southern Punjab. This is in line with rapid urbanization trends nationwide. Dramatically, the army recruited more officers in the decade ending 2005 from Karachi than from Jhelum!"

Army becoming more and more representatives of people.

nForce · Jul 2, 2015

I think the Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan should demand for a separate state for them within Pakistan.

Patriots · Jul 3, 2015

nForce said:
I think the Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan should demand for a separate state for them within Pakistan.

Why and How :o And if someone goes upon you logic then Indian minorities better deserve to go with this demand .....

pak-marine · Jul 3, 2015

i will take these PTI monkeys once they pass a resolution for hazara province in KPK else they should just shut da fck up and work towards sorting out the mess they have in KPK

Shot-Caller · Jul 3, 2015

WAJsal said:
No provinces should be made on ethnic grounds. No need to further divide this nation.

Why not? Why are the other provinces made on ethnic basis? Either dissolve them into small administrative units as well or you are suggesting injustice to seraiki people who have been asking for a province for a very long. Evading their demand by calling it a province based on ethnicity.

These double standards are what produce rebels and then we wonder where we went wrong.

nForce · Jul 3, 2015

Patriots said:
Why and How :o And if someone goes upon you logic then Indian minorities better deserve to go with this demand .....

India stands for unity in diversity and never advocates separation on the basis of religion, but Pakistan does. That is the reason behind creation of Pakistan. Although the theory behind creation of Pakistan was proved wrong shortly after, but Pakistanis would still like to believe in it. That's why.

Shamain · Jul 3, 2015

ghoul said:
Except for their North-east and North-west, there's no major insurgency anywhere. The commie insurgency there is not an ethnically motivated one. As for countries within a country; Pakistan was never a homogeneous country to begin with, neither was India. We're a federation, and pretend to be as such.

Secondly, I'd rather exist in a divided country than get ruled as a frontier "barbaric" subjects by the corrupt elite of central Punjab. Central Punjab is arguably the most corrupt region of Pakistan, much given to gunda raaj and a culture that glorifies criminality and badmaashi. Punjab has literally given us nothing other than this shia-sunni fisaad, something which is alien to our culture, and land grabbers and hardened criminals. And btw, did you know how we became "Punjab"? It was through the conquest of Ranjit Singh. Before that, our land was never called Punjab.

PS: And if my words offend anyone; I simply don't care. Pakistan doesn't mean its Ranjit Singh's empire. And no, Seraiki and Potohari are not merely dialects of Punjabi, which some greater Punjab a*****es preach and lie about all the time.

I m not even from punjab province that u wud say to me what u have said in last para.

And i think u know lil abt insurgencies in india so lets not discuss it.

The-Authority said:
Why not? Why are the other provinces made on ethnic basis? Either dissolve them into small administrative units as well or you are suggesting injustice to seraiki people who have been asking for a province for a very long. Evading their demand by calling it a province based on ethnicity.

These double standards are what produce rebels and then we wonder where we went wrong.

Bahi when they say make provinces on administrative basis ,so what u are sayig iis then break the provinces already made on ethnic lines on adminsitrative basis too....tau jab lets say seraiki province wont be formed on ethnic basis then naturally it would mean the region of already ethnically made province will be broken down and joined with seraiki majority areas to form that single new provincial unit which isnt made based on ethnicity.

Errmmmmm do i make sense to u... ummm lolzz. Aap meri baat sochna.

Shot-Caller · Jul 3, 2015

Shamain said:
I m not even from punjab province that u wud say to me what u have said in last para.

And i think u know lil abt insurgencies in india so lets not discuss it.

Bahi when they say make provinces on administrative basis ,so what u are sayig iis then break the provinces already made on ethnic lines on adminsitrative basis too....tau jab lets say seraiki province wont be formed on ethnic basis then naturally it would mean the region of already ethnically made province will be broken down and joined with seraiki majority areas to form that single new provincial unit which isnt made based on ethnicity.

Errmmmmm do i make sense to u... ummm lolzz. Aap meri baat sochna.

No you don't.

Patriots · Jul 3, 2015

nForce said:
India stands for unity in diversity and never advocates separation on the basis of religion, but Pakistan does. That is the reason behind creation of Pakistan. Although the theory behind creation of Pakistan was proved wrong shortly after, but Pakistanis would still like to believe in it. That's why.

Is this thread opened on creation of Pakistan ... This another topic ... If you want to talk at this then you can open another thread but please stop this type of trolling attempts ... You Indians always try to troll the threads opening on Pakistani matters ... We are discussing in it building more provinces not states .........

nForce · Jul 3, 2015

Patriots said:
Is this thread opened on creation of Pakistan ... This another topic ... If you want to talk at this then you can open another thread but please stop this type of trolling attempts ... You Indians always try to troll the threads opening on Pakistani matters ... We are discussing in it building more provinces not states .........

I gave you the logic behind why Pakistan should create separate states for the non-Muslims. It is because Pakistan itself was created by the same logic. So why do you think it is write once and wrong twice ?

Shamain · Jul 3, 2015

The-Authority said:
No you don't.

If seraiki region will be divided on administrative basis ,that will mean rest of the province punjabs areas will also be broken and merged wih seraiki region's parts to make aministrative format based provinces, uskay bagair kaisay new province banay ga without going on ethnic lines,and i am ok with dissolution of other ethnicity based states. Hamaray log iss qabil nahi hain ,give them all ethnicity based regions and see what they do, look at balochs and xenopbobia of sindhis??? So i a kinda go with this suggestion of urs that dissolve ethncity based existing states too.

Shot-Caller · Jul 3, 2015

Shamain said:
If seraiki region will be divided on administrative basis ,that will mean rest of the province punjabs areas will also be broken and merged wih seraiki region's parts to make aministrative format based provinces, uskay bagair kaisay new province banay ga without going on ethnic lines,and i am ok with dissolution of other ethnicity based states. Hamaray log iss qabil nahi hain ,give them all ethnicity based regions and see what they do, look at balochs and xenopbobia of sindhis??? So i a kinda go with this suggestion of urs that dissolve ethncity based existing states too.

Yes either that or dont prolong the making of a province for them.

waleed3601 · Jul 5, 2015

Jazzbot said:
We need more provinces but not on ethnic basis.

yes on ethnic basis. im sick and tired of gicing this example over and over, but look at India. they made states on ethnic basis and see how well it turned out for them.
also, pti should first make hazara province, then talk about making provinces out of others they dont rule over (have govt of).

Jazzbot · Jul 5, 2015

waleed3601 said:
yes on ethnic basis. im sick and tired of gicing this example over and over, but look at India. they made states on ethnic basis and see how well it turned out for them.
also, pti should first make hazara province, then talk about making provinces out of others they dont rule over (have govt of).

Pakistan's dynamics are way different than that of India's. We already have way too much provincial divide and hatred towards others because of provincial, sect or ethnic differences. We must not further divide this country based on ethnicity.

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