Deleted Scene of 'PK' movie ... A must watch

levina said:

I was furious at that point for shocking me with your post. But yes leaving the debate would also not have served any purpose. I need to drill some sense into you....and I will.

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levina said:

you 're missing the whole point of why idol worship was banned in Islam.
Let me give you an example...
Hindus worship idols, not so long back there were 2 groups which were waging war against each other.The groups were shaivism (shiva's followers) and Vaishnavism (followers of vishnu). It made no sense that ppl of the same religion would have belligerent attitude towards fellow hindus(of a diff group).
Idol worship had started to divide our religion.
This is exactly the same reason why Islam prohibits idol worship, as it doesnt want its followers to think god exists in idols and that anything beyond god can help us. Fair enough!
So now, you saw Shahrukh worshiping idols at his home, so you assumed Prophet would not like it. You could not have been more wrong. To prophet it is completely insignificant that he worshiped an idol, because the actor propagates a greater message of religious harmony here.
God doesnt keep a rule book, where he checks every point laid down by him in Quran,Geeta or bible. And merely because a person is an idol worshiper he doesnt become bad. Idol worshipers 're not bad ppl!
And am sure God understands this, and he judges a person by his karma (actions).
What is the purpose of any religion?
Every religion in its own way propagates the message of peace on earth.
Anything that helps in achieving this higher purpose is a lot more significant than worshiping an idol.
The reason for banning idols was because (as i said already) the region was filled with a lot of barbaric ppl. And to get them to follow something, Prophet (am assuming) had to strictly instruct them and prohibit them from doing so.

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hinduguy said:

i dont find legs sexy in general... always been a b**b person.not leg person..

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rockstar08 said:

that is is difference , that i am talking about , visiting a place of Worship is different , i have been to Church in Al-ain , but i have no intention to create a cross on body like a Christian , for world this idea seems very sweet, but lets be real , there is a red line in every religion at least its in Islam which one should not cross ... to create a diversified society the idea may sound sweet but you loose your own identity , look at Shahrukh and Salam khan ... what is a Actual muslim ? the one who follow Islam ? what is Islam , believe in one GOD and Prophet Muhammad pbuh as last Messenger ? no .. Islam is about many things , this thing may sounds a bit rude .. but i dont consider them to be Muslims ... that is not some Mullah brigade ideology but the core's of Islam ...

now your God is in you , is just a sugar coated sentence , which normally people use ... there is no such thing that is in islam , A God is God ... he is everywhere , but as people say , My god inside me i dont believe in any other god , that is just simply not allowed ...

are we more tolerant than the prophet and his companions , they rule a empire with Muslims , Jews and Christians , but they always keep their Religion on one side , they do create the example for a Society of mixed religion where a Christian lady was not forced to convert , when she ask for a help of Khalifa ...

I am not raising fingers , i know there are Millions of Muslims in Indian , but they are just to liberal in their on kinds ,
i am not in favor of many things which i see in either india or in Pakistan ...



only 1st reason was what i am looking for .. second is irrelevant ... your people can make fun of Hindusim as much as your people can , but its not right to bring Islam in to your movies , when Indian Muslims have created their own version of Islam ..

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rockstar08 said:

No , i dont expect anyone to follow my set of rules ,i am one unique even in my own Family ..



and this is why i say , keep Islam out of Indian movies , if they cant portray a Muslim been a actual Muslim , than there is no need to mentioned them ..



Again same Question , God made us with Free will , everyone has a right to think what they want .. and they do exactly as they want ..so there is no argument on that ..



for them i am wrong , so yes i am wrong ... but the thing is who will judge ?? An Atheist can ask me that why i will be judge and who will judge me , telling that God will , is useless , cause a person does not even believe in God ..
if someone does not like my way he has all right to express it , i have debated this to hundreds of people , they do criticize tons of things in Islam but majority of their information is bogus ... they have been taught or misguided by their own elders , like one time a 15 year old guy from USA ask me that is it true that , If i behead many non Muslim i will get more Angels in Heaven ... and i ask him who told you that ? he say his church ... now you can imagine the rest ...
the idea of been tolerant is there , everyone has its own God , religion and values , so why bringing the religion in movies ? you are showing one liberal views, what fits the directors ego , but on the other hand , they show million of Muslims as terrorist ? that is just lol ...



Not completely Right , Islam was not a new Religion but a successor of Christianity and Judasim , if it remain in their Original form ( another debate ) ... here you are mixing the Prophet's Religious Campaign and his Campaign to form a society , if you see the order of the revelation of Quran you will understand what i mean , In early times of his teaching he was building the moral values of Arabs , he didnt went straight to Jihad ... create the bases of a strong and united society where arabs dont feel dispersed but united .. and that work , why because Arabs are so battle mongers that they fight for 2 drops of water for 2 centuries ... and there are many extremely good and nice people among the Arabs tribes , and when hear about Islam , they just could not resist , they also were once Idol worshipers , so they can more tolerant towards idol worship no ? they could let some temples of Arabs god in mecca ? than why not ? as i mentioned there is a different set of beliefs , In Islam you just cant bend things according to your needs .. Islamic teachings are same only few are and can be bend according to the situation ..




being liberal is not a crime , just like being Religious is not a crime ...when someone talk about basics of Religion people generally call him a Religious nut job .. there are tons of Haidht about so called Liberal , not directly but in directly ... when you read them you will know ..

If Prophet Muhammad pbuh has seen Shahrukh khan worshiping a Hindu god along with his Kids ,than i guess he wont like , even though he believe in second chance but thing if a person did not even realize that he is doing wrong , how can you even try to make him correct ?? for Shahrukh and his kids , worshiping Allah and Ram is same , but for me its not ..
forget about Salman khan ...



for that i would recommend you to read the last sermon of Prophet .. you worship not for God but for yourself, God does not need my 5 times prayers or someone's coconuts , or some holy water , he has much Angels to worship him , he give us idea of Worshiping for our own good , he know that if a human will not worship than i have to put him in hell, and this he simply wont prefer .. but Rules are rules , the ones he made , and described in Quran , Allah refer himself mercy for us probably hundreds of time , but on some places he keep remind us that he can get angry , so when he love his creation the most ,so he has all the right to be angry on us ...



I never made such Claims , please dont Quote me if you have nothing constructive ..

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rockstar08 said:

well because you are not even listening to me that is why ...
now what i say i am not backing up from that , and yes you can ask Any Muslim , would a Prophet allow a Muslim to Worship a Idol ? no ... his whole teaching was based on the teaching of One God .. and no idol worship ... how can you even miss the point that Arabs were once idol Worshipers ? so they must have more tolerant towards Hinduism no ? but they are not ... they have destroyed the idols in Kaaba ... i hope you know cause its basic ...

i never say that going to a mandir or Church is wrong .. Hazrat Omar RA was offered to pray in a Church when he visit Jerusalem, he did have accepted that offer but he refused because he was afraid that Later Muslim will forcefully take over that church ... All Companions of Prophet were Tolerate towards other religions but every tolerance have its limits , being liberal is not bad but if one cross red lines which is going beyond the religious beliefs than i am against it ...
when i say i am against it does not mean i will force my thoughts over some , Shahrukh khan have all the right to teach his kids anything he want , teaching them about multiple religion is again not bad , but worshiping is wrong according to Islam ..

I am what I am
you can call me liberal or religious , but i only share my thoughts, for a healthy debate .. everyone has a right to express his own views ...

i dont even like when people use Quranic words in songs ... you can call it another religious thought but its something i dont like .. my POV not others ..

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rockstar08 said:

hahaha no don't worry i am a Lost cause ...



i guess you are wrong here , Idol worship is prohibited in Islam because , you cant just create a Image of someone or something that not even your imagination can reach ..here you need to see the difference , if you ask a Hindu , how does god look like ? he will make it some picture or Image of Ram or Shiv etc ... same question ask to a Christian, and he will make some old looking guy , sitting on a huge chair more likely modified Santa , and some Christians will simple make Jesus Pbuh pic , but than you go and ask a Muslim , he can not even imagine , because the definition of Allah in Islam is something that none can describe ... so idol worship was banned due to avoiding worshiping other god ...

now here you have to see the difference Islam is bit different from other religion , Allah has given us instruction in form of Quran , and he did put this rule book , every dot in Quran is to be checked , you cant just say that i follow that one verse but not that small one , small or big .. you have to follow it ..no if's no buts' ...

Idol worshipers does not mean a bad person , but in Islam you can term him as a Sinner , in other words a person that commit one of the biggest sin in Islam .. i know that would make some of our Hindu members angry, but this is what Islam is ...

and there are Hadith which clearly quotes that Allah can forgive any sin , except Worshiping other God ..so if you are taking things from a Muslim point of view ,than its a unforgivable sin ...God does understand things ,that is why he sent 1,24,0000 Messengers or maybe more .. he sent 4 different books ... so if we continue further it will become a Hindu Islam debate .. and we both will be banned

Purpose of the religion is not just promoting peace ..there are a lot more different purposes ..

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levina said:

whoa!
let me introduce you to @zorash , he's a public figure and a muslim. There're many like him in our country who not just go to a mosque but also a temple and church.. And why do you think a muslim should not go to a temple/gurudwara etc? Are these places not for worship? would you not find god here?
According to me, god's inside me, i go to a temple to feel the extra +ve vibration that it brings to me. I have been to a mosque( sheiks zayed mosque Abudhabi), been to many churches and gurudwara too.


Why 're you raising your finger at Indians?
That movie was about every religion, and my religion (hinduism) was mocked the most in that movie. I still dont have any objections to it.

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levina said:

The movie was average but the message it delivered was good.

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levina said:

I was furious at that point for shocking me with your post. But yes leaving the debate would also not have served any purpose. I need to drill some sense into you....and I will.


you 're missing the whole point of why idol worship was banned in Islam.
Let me give you an example...
Hindus worship idols, not so long back there were 2 groups which were waging war against each other.The groups were shaivism (shiva's followers) and Vaishnavism (followers of vishnu). It made no sense that ppl of the same religion would have belligerent attitude towards fellow hindus(of a diff group).
Idol worship had started to divide our religion.
This is exactly the same reason why Islam prohibits idol worship, as it doesnt want its followers to think god exists in idols and that anything beyond god can help us. Fair enough!
So now, you saw Shahrukh worshiping idols at his home, so you assumed Prophet would not like it. You could not have been more wrong. To prophet it is completely insignificant that he worshiped an idol, because the actor propagates a greater message of religious harmony here.
God doesnt keep a rule book, where he checks every point laid down by him in Quran,Geeta or bible. And merely because a person is an idol worshiper he doesnt become bad. Idol worshipers 're not bad ppl!
And am sure God understands this, and he judges a person by his karma (actions).
What is the purpose of any religion?
Every religion in its own way propagates the message of peace on earth.
Anything that helps in achieving this higher purpose is a lot more significant than worshiping an idol.
The reason for banning idols was because (as i said already) the region was filled with a lot of barbaric ppl. And to get them to follow something, Prophet (am assuming) had to strictly instruct them and prohibit them from doing so.




Thats fine!
I can understand why some ppl find it offending, its because they 're pious and they hold their religious beliefs close to heart.
Infact I believe nobody's religious sentiments should not be hurt, but some call me appeaser.

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SarthakGanguly said:

It's natural. Pagan hearts are 27% smaller than Muslims.

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rockstar08 said:

i guess you are wrong here

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Idol worship is prohibited in Islam because , you cant just create a Image of someone or something that not even your imagination can reach ..here you need to see the difference , if you ask a Hindu , how does god look like ? he will make it some picture or Image of Ram or Shiv etc ... same question ask to a Christian, and he will make some old looking guy , sitting on a huge chair more likely modified Santa , and some Christians will simple make Jesus Pbuh pic , but than you go and ask a Muslim , he can not even imagine , because the definition of Allah in Islam is something that none can describe ... so idol worship was banned due to avoiding worshiping other god ...

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now here you have to see the difference Islam is bit different from other religion , Allah has given us instruction in form of Quran , and he did put this rule book , every dot in Quran is to be checked , you cant just say that i follow that one verse but not that small one , small or big .. you have to follow it ..no if's no buts' ...

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Idol worshipers does not mean a bad person , but in Islam you can term him as a Sinner , in other words a person that commit one of the biggest sin in Islam .. i know that would make some of our Hindu members angry, but this is what Islam is ...

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and there are Hadith which clearly quotes that Allah can forgive any sin , except Worshiping other God

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..so if you are taking things from a Muslim point of view ,than its a unforgivable sin ...God does understand things ,that is why he sent 1,24,0000 Messengers or maybe more .. he sent 4 different books ... so if we continue further it will become a Hindu Islam debate .. and we both will be banned

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Purpose of the religion is not just promoting peace ..there are a lot more different purposes ..

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SarthakGanguly said:

They should have shown these scenes. Without these, the message never fully reached the people. The message: 'Hinduism is false'.

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levina said:

You thought I make posts without doing my research on the topic??
Read this
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You have understood ban on idol worship superficially. The reason why Prophet banned idol was because he didnt want ppl to duplicate god, in other words he didnt want muslims to divide themselves on the basis of just an idol (like it happened in Hinduism where members of shaivism and Vaishnavism fought with each other).


No!
You must follow if you can. Like the Ramadan fasts, its not compulsory for all, but you must try your level best to have it.


I know why idol worship was banned in Islam and I find it very logical. So as a hindu I dont have any issues with what Islam thinks of idol worship. Everything comes with its pros and cons, and so does worshiping an idol.


No way!
You've misunderstood it.
Every religion on earth says that there's only ONE GOD. So there's no question of "worshiping OTHER God", because all the god's re one and the same.

I have expressed my opinion on it, thats it!


The highest purpose of a religion is to bring peace on earth, give me another higher purpose than this and I will accept that I dont understand religions.

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KingMamba said:

Stick to Hinduism.

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