Deleted Scene of 'PK' movie ... A must watch

[Screambowl]

my question is not irrelevant ? maybe you didnt understand it on the first place.

you asked why .. second part was deleted.

1) reason one is , lenght of the movie

2) reason two is, it was against Islam because you cannot stop Muslims going to Hajj , where she said why to go to Kailash, and Teerath yatra etc.

 

[Levina]

in Indians movies its same , One good Muslim and million bad Muslim and that one solo Good Muslim is so Open minded that he go mandir and Gurdwara ? lolz ... that is not the reality ...

whoa!
let me introduce you to @zorash , he's a public figure and a muslim. There're many like him in our country who not just go to a mosque but also a temple and church.. And why do you think a muslim should not go to a temple/gurudwara etc? Are these places not for worship? would you not find god here?
According to me, god's inside me, i go to a temple to feel the extra +ve vibration that it brings to me. I have been to a mosque( sheiks zayed mosque Abudhabi), been to many churches and gurudwara too.

Indians must not bring Islam into their movies , if they dont know how to make justice ..

Why 're you raising your finger at Indians?
That movie was about every religion, and my religion (hinduism) was mocked the most in that movie. I still dont have any objections to it.

 

[Screambowl]

I was since beginning against this movie,,, as it showed statues and pictures of God and making fun of them like missing... running on battery etc.

 

[rockstar08]

whoa!
let me introduce you to @zorash , he's a public figure and a muslim. There're many like him in our country who not just go to a mosque but also a temple and church.. And why do you think a muslim should not go to a temple/gurudwara etc? Are these places not for worship? would you not find god here?
According to me, god's inside me, i go to a temple to feel the extra +ve vibration that it brings to me. I have been to a mosque( sheiks zayed mosque Abudhabi), been to many churches and gurudwara too.


Why 're you raising your finger at Indians?
That movie was about every religion, and my religion (hinduism) was mocked the most in that movie. I still dont have any objections to it.

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that is is difference , that i am talking about , visiting a place of Worship is different , i have been to Church in Al-ain , but i have no intention to create a cross on body like a Christian , for world this idea seems very sweet, but lets be real , there is a red line in every religion at least its in Islam which one should not cross ... to create a diversified society the idea may sound sweet but you loose your own identity , look at Shahrukh and Salam khan ... what is a Actual muslim ? the one who follow Islam ? what is Islam , believe in one GOD and Prophet Muhammad pbuh as last Messenger ? no .. Islam is about many things , this thing may sounds a bit rude .. but i dont consider them to be Muslims ... that is not some Mullah brigade ideology but the core's of Islam ...

now your God is in you , is just a sugar coated sentence , which normally people use ... there is no such thing that is in islam , A God is God ... he is everywhere , but as people say , My god inside me i dont believe in any other god , that is just simply not allowed ...

are we more tolerant than the prophet and his companions , they rule a empire with Muslims , Jews and Christians , but they always keep their Religion on one side , they do create the example for a Society of mixed religion where a Christian lady was not forced to convert , when she ask for a help of Khalifa ...

I am not raising fingers , i know there are Millions of Muslims in Indian , but they are just to liberal in their on kinds ,
i am not in favor of many things which i see in either india or in Pakistan ...

you asked why .. second part was deleted.

1) reason one is , lenght of the movie

2) reason two is, it was against Islam because you cannot stop Muslims going to Hajj , where she said why to go to Kailash, and Teerath yatra etc.

only 1st reason was what i am looking for .. second is irrelevant ... your people can make fun of Hindusim as much as your people can , but its not right to bring Islam in to your movies , when Indian Muslims have created their own version of Islam ..

 

[Levina]

that is is difference , that i am talking about , visiting a place of Worship is different , i have been to Church in Al-ain , but i have no intention to create a cross on body like a Christian , for world this idea seems very sweet, but lets be real , there is a red line in every religion at least its in Islam which one should not cross ... to create a diversified society the idea may sound sweet but you loose your own identity , look at Shahrukh and Salam khan ... what is a Actual muslim ? the one who follow Islam ? what is Islam , believe in one GOD and Prophet Muhammad pbuh as last Messenger ? no .. Islam is about many things , this thing may sounds a bit rude .. but i dont consider them to be Muslims ... that is not some Mullah brigade ideology but the core's of Islam ...

now your God is in you , is just a sugar coated sentence , which normally people use ... there is no such thing that is in islam , A God is God ... he is everywhere , but as people say , My god inside me i dont believe in any other god , that is just simply not allowed ...

are we more tolerant than the prophet and his companions , they rule a empire with Muslims , Jews and Christians , but they always keep their Religion on one side , they do create the example for a Society of mixed religion where a Christian lady was not forced to convert , when she ask for a help of Khalifa ...

I am not raising fingers , i know there are Millions of Muslims in Indian , but they are just to liberal in their on kinds ,
i am not in favor of many things which i see in either india or in Pakistan ...



only 1st reason was what i am looking for .. second is irrelevant ... your people can make fun of Hindusim as much as your people can , but its not right to bring Islam in to your movies , when Indian Muslims have created their own version of Islam ..

Dont mind but I think your views about religion is such that you expect everyone to follow the same set of rules. Remember what works for one doesnt work for another. We all have our personalized versions of gods, and my sets of rights would be different from your set of rights and wrongs.
Why do you want everyone to follow your sets of right?
In somebody else's view your way of walking,talking,worshiping might be wrong, so are you really wrong?
What is a religion?
A religion is nothing but a way of instilling discipline in ppl.
Islam asked its followers to strictly follow Quran because the middle east was full of barbarians, it would not have been easy to control ppl who ran amok. Prophet did his best to control them by laying sets of instructions.

So is being a liberal a crime?
Do you think Prophet would think less of salman khan or Shahrukh khan because they're liberal?
No I dont think so.
Even if you didnt pray to any god, even if you didnt visit a temple or a mosque, god will not consider you lesser than others, because we all 're judged by our action.

 

[Screambowl]

only 1st reason was what i am looking for .. second is irrelevant ... your people can make fun of Hindusim as much as your people can , but its not right to bring Islam in to your movies , when Indian Muslims have created their own version of Islam ..

Islam is not your property

 

[rockstar08]

Dont mind but I think your views about religion is such that you expect everyone to follow the same set of rules.

No , i dont expect anyone to follow my set of rules ,i am one unique even in my own Family ..

Remember what works for one doesnt work for another. We all have our personalized versions of gods, and my sets of rights would be different from your set of rights and wrongs.

and this is why i say , keep Islam out of Indian movies , if they cant portray a Muslim been a actual Muslim , than there is no need to mentioned them ..

Why do you want everyone to follow your sets of right?

Again same Question , God made us with Free will , everyone has a right to think what they want .. and they do exactly as they want ..so there is no argument on that ..

In somebody else's view your way of walking,talking,worshiping might be wrong, so are you really wrong?

for them i am wrong , so yes i am wrong ... but the thing is who will judge ?? An Atheist can ask me that why i will be judge and who will judge me , telling that God will , is useless , cause a person does not even believe in God ..
if someone does not like my way he has all right to express it , i have debated this to hundreds of people , they do criticize tons of things in Islam but majority of their information is bogus ... they have been taught or misguided by their own elders , like one time a 15 year old guy from USA ask me that is it true that , If i behead many non Muslim i will get more Angels in Heaven ... and i ask him who told you that ? he say his church ... now you can imagine the rest ...
the idea of been tolerant is there , everyone has its own God , religion and values , so why bringing the religion in movies ? you are showing one liberal views, what fits the directors ego , but on the other hand , they show million of Muslims as terrorist ? that is just lol ...

Islam asked its followers to strictly follow Quran because the middle east was full of barbarians, it would not have been easy to control ppl who ran amok. Prophet did his best to control them by laying sets of instructions.

Not completely Right , Islam was not a new Religion but a successor of Christianity and Judasim , if it remain in their Original form ( another debate ) ... here you are mixing the Prophet's Religious Campaign and his Campaign to form a society , if you see the order of the revelation of Quran you will understand what i mean , In early times of his teaching he was building the moral values of Arabs , he didnt went straight to Jihad ... create the bases of a strong and united society where arabs dont feel dispersed but united .. and that work , why because Arabs are so battle mongers that they fight for 2 drops of water for 2 centuries ... and there are many extremely good and nice people among the Arabs tribes , and when hear about Islam , they just could not resist , they also were once Idol worshipers , so they can more tolerant towards idol worship no ? they could let some temples of Arabs god in mecca ? than why not ? as i mentioned there is a different set of beliefs , In Islam you just cant bend things according to your needs .. Islamic teachings are same only few are and can be bend according to the situation ..

So is being a liberal a crime?
Do you think Prophet would think less of salman khan or Shahrukh khan because they're liberal?

being liberal is not a crime , just like being Religious is not a crime ...when someone talk about basics of Religion people generally call him a Religious nut job .. there are tons of Haidht about so called Liberal , not directly but in directly ... when you read them you will know ..

If Prophet Muhammad pbuh has seen Shahrukh khan worshiping a Hindu god along with his Kids ,than i guess he wont like , even though he believe in second chance but thing if a person did not even realize that he is doing wrong , how can you even try to make him correct ?? for Shahrukh and his kids , worshiping Allah and Ram is same , but for me its not ..
forget about Salman khan ...

Even if you didnt pray to any god, even if you didnt visit a temple or a mosque, god will not consider you lesser than others, because we all 're judged by our action.

for that i would recommend you to read the last sermon of Prophet .. you worship not for God but for yourself, God does not need my 5 times prayers or someone's coconuts , or some holy water , he has much Angels to worship him , he give us idea of Worshiping for our own good , he know that if a human will not worship than i have to put him in hell, and this he simply wont prefer .. but Rules are rules , the ones he made , and described in Quran , Allah refer himself mercy for us probably hundreds of time , but on some places he keep remind us that he can get angry , so when he love his creation the most ,so he has all the right to be angry on us ...

Islam is not your property

I never made such Claims , please dont Quote me if you have nothing constructive ..

 

[Levina]

and this is why i say , keep Islam out of Indian movies , if they cant portray a Muslim been a actual Muslim , than there is no need to mentioned them ..

You think muslims 're potrayed as terrorists in every hindi film and ergo your conclusion. I'm not gonna debate on this because its going to be futile. This is something which you've said repeatedly on this thread.
You for one dont watch all the hindi movies but a select few..so again I know you've a prejudiced view about our film industry.

for them i am wrong , so yes i am wrong ... but the thing is who will judge ?? An Atheist can ask me that why i will be judge and who will judge me , telling that God will , is useless , cause a person does not even believe in God ..
if someone does not like my way he has all right to express it , i have debated this to hundreds of people , they do criticize tons of things in Islam but majority of their information is bogus ... they have been taught or misguided by their own elders , like one time a 15 year old guy from USA ask me that is it true that , If i behead many non Muslim i will get more Angels in Heaven ... and i ask him who told you that ? he say his church ... now you can imagine the rest ...

My point was that my right could be entirely different from your right because my beliefs 're different. Its not about who's judge. I will judge you and you'll judge me.
...

as i mentioned there is a different set of beliefs , In Islam you just cant bend things according to your needs .. Islamic teachings are same only few are and can be bend according to the situation ..

As I said religion is just a set of rules which one follows, so some might bend it according to their needs (which is very human) and thats the reason you'll see religions 're misinterpreted so often.

If Prophet Muhammad pbuh has seen Shahrukh khan worshiping a Hindu god along with his Kids ,than i guess he wont like

Did you just say prophet will have problem if Sharukh khan worshipped a hindu god with his kids?
If so am not continuing this debate. There is only one god, why would Prophet have any objections as long as the man is doing his deeds and looking after his family and ppl around him?
Actually you're contradicting yourself...because you also said this

God does not need my 5 times prayers or someone's coconuts , or some holy water , he has much Angels to worship him , he give us idea of Worshiping for our own good , he know that if a human will not worship than i have to put him in hell, and this he simply wont prefer

So i conclude that you object to a fellow muslim praying before a hindu god.

for that i would recommend you to read the last sermon of Prophet .. you worship not for God but for yourself, God does not need my 5 times prayers or someone's coconuts , or some holy water , he has much Angels to worship him , he give us idea of Worshiping for our own good , he know that if a human will not worship than i have to put him in hell, and this he simply wont prefer .. but Rules are rules , the ones he made , and described in Quran , Allah refer himself mercy for us probably hundreds of time , but on some places he keep remind us that he can get angry , so when he love his creation the most ,so he has all the right to be angry on us .....

Rules?
Any religion which is not flexible enough (or made inflexible by its followers) would stifle itself to death.
Islam is a lot more liberal than your version.

Just a suggestion:
You should stop watching Indian movies, because
1) You dont like Indians
2) You dont like hindus.
thats what i could conclude from your posts. I'm sorry for being brusque.

And am not continuing this debate.

Regards

 

[rockstar08]

You think muslims 're potrayed as terrorists in every hindi film and ergo your conclusion. I'm not gonna debate on this because its going to be futile. This is something which you've said repeatedly on this thread.
You for one dont watch all the hindi movies but a select few..so again I know you've a prejudiced view about our film industry.


My point was that my right could be entirely different from your right because my beliefs 're different. Its not about who's judge. I will judge you and you'll judge me.
...

As I said religion is just a set of rules which one follows, so some might bend it according to their needs (which is very human) and thats the reason you'll see religions 're misinterpreted so often.


Did you just say prophet will have problem if Sharukh khan worshipped a hindu god with his kids?
If so am not continuing this debate. There is only one god, why would Prophet have any objections as long as the man is doing his deeds and looking after his family and ppl around him?
Actually you're contradicting yourself...because you also said this

So i conclude that you object to a fellow muslim praying before a hindu god.


Rules?
Any religion which is not flexible enough (or made inflexible by its followers) would stifle itself to death.
Islam is a lot more liberal than your version.

Just a suggestion:
You should stop watching Indian movies, because
1) You dont like Indians
2) You dont like hindus.
thats what i could conclude from your posts. I'm sorry for being brusque.

And am not continuing this debate.

Regards

well i can reply , to your post ... only if it make any difference ... you are overreacting , i dont hate anyone ...
its just my point of view on certain things ... so if a hindu have same views regarding Muslim , you wont say , he hate Muslim ? i guess thats called double standard , you are on a International Forum , so i guess learn to have healthy and meaningful debate without judging people

 

[Levina]

well i can reply , to your post ... only if it make any difference ... you are overreacting , i dont hate anyone ...
its just my point of view on certain things ... , you are on a International Forum , so i guess learn to have healthy and meaningful debate without judging people

Over-react?
You clearly contradicted yourself in your previous post, and ergo my conclusion.

so if a hindu have same views regarding Muslim , you wont say , he hate Muslim ? i guess thats called double standard

If a hindu reacts the same way i would call him a pseudo hindu.
If a hindu thinks that going to a mosque/church or anyother place of worship is wrong then he's a religious zealot.
I have very liberal views about every religion, and I find it hard to accept when ppl ask others in their religion to follow a set of rules (strictly).
Its not acceptable in my view, a religion should not stifle me and my freedom. Thats my take on it!
Though I think I can understand where you're coming from.
Yes, Islam is a very misunderstood religion in the west and it gets constantly sullied. But that should not make its followers go saber rattling at others, your actions will be judged. Prove others wrong by your good deeds.
Thats what i suggest to ppl in my religion too.

Anyways.. i am not continuing with this debate.

 

[xyxmt]

me neither ..
i have a weird choice in girls, i find girls with glasses Attractive ..

kutch batain apney tuk rakhney me behtary hoti hay

 

[rockstar08]

Over-react?
You clearly contradicted yourself in your previous post, and ergo my conclusion.

If a hindu reacts the same way i would call him a pseudo hindu.
If a hindu thinks that going to a mosque/church or anyother place of worship is wrong then he's a religious zealot.
I have very liberal views about every religion, and I find it hard to accept when ppl ask others in their religion to follow a set of rules (strictly).
Its not acceptable in my view, a religion should not stifle me and my freedom. Thats my take on it!
Though I think I can understand where you're coming from.
Yes, Islam is a very misunderstood religion in the west and it gets constantly sullied. But that should not make its followers go saber rattling at others, your actions will be judged. Prove others wrong by your good deeds.
Thats what i suggest to ppl in my religion too.

Anyways.. i am not continuing with this debate.

you know you sounds like a kid here ? ...
when did i say going to a church or Mandir is wrong ??
and you want to put your words in my mouth and dont let me reply .. that shows that you are running away from the argument ...

your choice to continue or not , but at least dont misguide people here by putting your words in other's post .. i know what i write , and what i mean ..

kutch batain apney tuk rakhney me behtary hoti hay

this is not some National Secret , or is it

 

[Levina]

you know you sounds like a kid here ? ...
when did i say going to a church or Mandir is wrong ??
and you want to put your words in my mouth and dont let me reply .. that shows that you are running away from the argument ...

your choice to continue or not , but at least dont misguide people here by putting your words in other's post .. i know what i write , and what i mean ..



this is not some National Secret , or is it

I am not a kid, where did sound like a kid?? Quote me!
And I'm not running away. Just didn't want to ruin a friendship. That's all!
You still have not answered what you meant by this?

If Prophet Muhammad pbuh has seen Shahrukh khan worshiping a Hindu god along with his Kids ,than i guess he wont like

And seriously I thought you were a lot more liberal than this.

 

[rockstar08]

I am not a kid, where did sound like a kid?? Quote me!
And I'm not running away. Just didn't want to ruin a friendship. That's all!
You still have not answered what you meant by this?

And seriously I thought you were a lot more liberal than this.

well because you are not even listening to me that is why ...
now what i say i am not backing up from that , and yes you can ask Any Muslim , would a Prophet allow a Muslim to Worship a Idol ? no ... his whole teaching was based on the teaching of One God .. and no idol worship ... how can you even miss the point that Arabs were once idol Worshipers ? so they must have more tolerant towards Hinduism no ? but they are not ... they have destroyed the idols in Kaaba ... i hope you know cause its basic ...

i never say that going to a mandir or Church is wrong .. Hazrat Omar RA was offered to pray in a Church when he visit Jerusalem, he did have accepted that offer but he refused because he was afraid that Later Muslim will forcefully take over that church ... All Companions of Prophet were Tolerate towards other religions but every tolerance have its limits , being liberal is not bad but if one cross red lines which is going beyond the religious beliefs than i am against it ...
when i say i am against it does not mean i will force my thoughts over some , Shahrukh khan have all the right to teach his kids anything he want , teaching them about multiple religion is again not bad , but worshiping is wrong according to Islam ..

I am what I am
you can call me liberal or religious , but i only share my thoughts, for a healthy debate .. everyone has a right to express his own views ...

i dont even like when people use Quranic words in songs ... you can call it another religious thought but its something i dont like .. my POV not others ..

 

[Levina]

well because you are not even listening to me that is why ...

I was furious at that point for shocking me with your post. But yes leaving the debate would also not have served any purpose. I need to drill some sense into you....and I will.

now what i say i am not backing up from that , and yes you can ask Any Muslim , would a Prophet allow a Muslim to Worship a Idol ? no ... his whole teaching was based on the teaching of One God .. and no idol worship ... how can you even miss the point that Arabs were once idol Worshipers ? so they must have more tolerant towards Hinduism no ? but they are not ... they have destroyed the idols in Kaaba ... i hope you know cause its basic ...

you 're missing the whole point of why idol worship was banned in Islam.
Let me give you an example...
Hindus worship idols, not so long back there were 2 groups which were waging war against each other.The groups were shaivism (shiva's followers) and Vaishnavism (followers of vishnu). It made no sense that ppl of the same religion would have belligerent attitude towards fellow hindus(of a diff group).
Idol worship had started to divide our religion.
This is exactly the same reason why Islam prohibits idol worship, as it doesnt want its followers to think god exists in idols and that anything beyond god can help us. Fair enough!
So now, you saw Shahrukh worshiping idols at his home, so you assumed Prophet would not like it. You could not have been more wrong. To prophet it is completely insignificant that he worshiped an idol, because the actor propagates a greater message of religious harmony here.
God doesnt keep a rule book, where he checks every point laid down by him in Quran,Geeta or bible. And merely because a person is an idol worshiper he doesnt become bad. Idol worshipers 're not bad ppl!
And am sure God understands this, and he judges a person by his karma (actions).
What is the purpose of any religion?
Every religion in its own way propagates the message of peace on earth.
Anything that helps in achieving this higher purpose is a lot more significant than worshiping an idol.
The reason for banning idols was because (as i said already) the region was filled with a lot of barbaric ppl. And to get them to follow something, Prophet (am assuming) had to strictly instruct them and prohibit them from doing so.

i dont even like when people use Quranic words in songs ... you can call it another religious thought but its something i dont like .. my POV not others ..

Thats fine!
I can understand why some ppl find it offending, its because they 're pious and they hold their religious beliefs close to heart.
Infact I believe nobody's religious sentiments should not be hurt, but some call me appeaser.