Support for Hamas skyrockets following war, poll shows

Abbas plans to resume negotiations and marginalise the Palestinian resistance

As the Palestinian armed resistance persevered against Israel's latest colonial massacre, the two state solution has become part of the diplomatic discourse. The atrocities committed have created a diverse political framework that has united the people behind the resistance, however Mahmoud Abbas has reverted to the collapsed negotiations which have become a recurring focal point.
As Abbas intentionally fluctuates on whether or not he will seek Israel's indictment at the International Criminal Court he demeans the Palestinian resistance by imploring the US and Israel to "outline specific borders". The emerging political allegiances between the people and the resistance risk becoming another form of imperialist oblivion.

According to the Times of Israel, US Secretary of State John Kerry is seeking a return to the perpetual negotiations that have plundered Palestinian land and resources for decades. While reporting that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is less than enthused about the negotiations prospects – possibly owing to additional so-called concessions to Palestinians including the release of the fourth group of Palestinian prisoners. This is reminiscent of attempts to prevent liberation (of Palestine) through diplomatic hypocrisy.

There were speculations last week about Abbas's undisclosed plan for a "political and diplomatic solution". The plan allegedly involves international interference under the guise of "handing over responsibility for a resolution to the conflict to international forces". Given the willingness to make further concessions, the ICC threat by Abbas becomes insignificant. According to Israel Radio, Abbas regurgitated criticism of Hamas for refusing to accept the previously proposed ceasefire and asked, "is the Palestinian nation so trivial in our eyes?"

It is the triviality with which the Palestinian Authority regards Palestine that has ensured its international political recognition. The PA, an instrument of collaboration, is intent on eliminating the role embraced by the Palestinian resistance and the people in favour of bargaining over a process that will not yield any demarcation of borders until the settler-colonial process is complete.

The efforts by Kerry and Abbas negate, not only the ramifications of Operation Protective Edge, but also undermine the increased legitimacy of the Palestinian resistance – the latter already indirectly enforced through the numerous restrictions upon the rebuilding of Gaza.

Abbas constantly endorses the role of international interference in Israel's illegal settler-colonial existence. Despite the Palestinians embracing the armed resistance, Abbas is determined to fragment the right to land and considers international forces to be a suitable option.

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This piece of garbage never learns. It's time to hang him high. Pathetic PA top brass exchanges our honor so they could get paychecks.

Hazzy997 said:

Do the Arabs support democracy now?

@Frogman

What happened? Weren't you telling me Hamas must enter elections? So I'm sure you're on the same page still right? You kept telling me I was lying and don't represent the Palestinian people in Gaza or the West Bank.

Are you upset now that Sisi's/PA/Israel joint policy of collective punishment of civilians who choose freedom from occupation back fired now? Keep it up Sisi.

Support will increase to 90% approval rating in a matter of months.

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So hold an election.

Frogman said:

So hold an election.

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Good boy.

Hazzy997 said:

Good boy.

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No seriously, the ratings are high, there's almost no opposition, and Hamas just came out of a glorious victory from which it nothing to show (like I said on the 'victory' thread). It's a perfect time for an election. What's the hold up?

Frogman said:

No seriously, the ratings are high, there's almost no opposition, and Hamas just came out of a glorious victory from which it nothing to show (like I said on the 'victory' thread). It's a perfect time for an election. What's the hold up?

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Ask your PA/Israel/US/Egyptian regime.

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Ask your PA/Israel/US/Egyptian regime.

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I'm pretty sure it's an internal thing, after all Hamas is able to provide expensive celebrations and military parades and has built tunnels that cost millions, yet it can't provide a single day poll. So what's the hold up?

There isn't one is there, Hamas are not democrats and are unwilling to give up any inch of power to any other group in Gaza. be they militant or political. A resistance movement ceases to be one when its more concerned about collecting taxes than developing new tactics and capabilities.

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I'm pretty sure it's an internal thing, after all Hamas is able to provide expensive celebrations and military parades and has built tunnels that cost millions, yet it can't provide a single day poll. So what's the hold up?
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No, you're wrong. The people who aren't democrats and oppose democracy when it suits them is your leadership and its supporters who run monarchs. Hamas won fair and square in 2006 to be integrated into unity government. Then Jordan/PA/Israel/US attempted a coup. On top of that they rejected Hamas's results in the West Bank which gave them right to govern there as well. And imposed a siege. There's no such thing as democracy when it comes to you and your supporters plus Western powers in the ME. All they care is for interests. And you think as a coptic you could defeat Islam, keep dreaming garbage.

Hazzy997 said:

No, you're wrong. The people who aren't democrats and oppose democracy when it suits them is your leadership and its supporters who run monarchs. Hamas won fair and square in 2006 to be integrated into unity government. Then Jordan/PA/Israel/US attempted a coup. On top of that they rejected Hamas's results in the West Bank which gave them right to govern there as well. And imposed a siege. There's no such thing as democracy when it comes to you and your supporters plus Western powers in the ME. All they care is for interests. And you think as a coptic you could defeat Islam, keep dreaming garbage.

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If you bother to read any of my posts you would know what I think of democracy in the region.

Frogman said:

If you bother to read any of my posts you would know what I think of democracy in the region.

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Don't try pulling another one on us. You support tyrannical dictators one hundred percent. And oppose every Muslim movement out personal Coptic instinct.

Hazzy997 said:

Don't try pulling another one on us. You support tyrannical dictators one hundred percent. And oppose every Muslim movement out personal Coptic instinct.

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Would some one who supports tyrannical regimes write this:-

What I think a lot of people misunderstand in the Muslim and Arab world is that the introduction of democracy will radically change our societies, it wont.

Democracy is only a mechanism by which representatives or the people are elected, now the problem is that the Arab and Muslim world have not adopted liberal ideas and as a result the same actions we see in nations run by dictatorships will occur in nations that have only adopted elections as a means of providing a government. These governments will continue to rule by decree rather than consensus (as dictators do) and will ignore or persecute minorities just as much as the current regimes do, however, they will argue they are the legitimate and democratically elected representatives of the nation,
What I think a lot of people misunderstand in the Muslim and Arab world is that the introduction of democracy will radically change our societies, it wont.

Democracy is only a mechanism by which representatives or the people are elected, now the problem is that the Arab and Muslim world have not adopted liberal ideas and as a result the same actions we see in nations run by dictatorships will occur in nations that have only adopted elections as a means of providing a government. These governments will continue to rule by decree rather than consensus (as dictators do) and will ignore or persecute minorities just as much as the current regimes do, however, they will argue they are the legitimate and democratically elected representatives of the nation, to them (them being Islamists and conservative/partially secular politicians which dominate the political arena in these nations) democracy is only a tool to be used to achieve political office, they will laud it when it grants them the power they require and will just as easily damn it if it does not (for example some Islamists denounce democracy as Kufr yet will use it if it means gaining power).

The Arab and Muslim world needs a liberal democracy and not just the mechanism, that will only happen when the societies themselves adopt liberal ideas and values (separation of powers, rule of law, seperation of Church and state,civil rights, freedom of speech and press etc.).



Source: Yemen: Talks Collapse Over Houthi Demands (for example some Islamists denounce democracy as Kufr yet will use it if it means gaining power).

The Arab and Muslim world needs a liberal democracy and not just the mechanism, that will only happen when the societies themselves adopt liberal ideas and values (separation of powers, rule of law, seperation of Church and state,civil rights, freedom of speech and press etc.).



Source: Yemen: Talks Collapse Over Houthi Demands

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to them (them being Islamists and conservative/partially secular politicians which dominate the political arena in these nations) democracy is only a tool to be used to achieve political office, they will laud it when it grants them the power they require and will just as easily damn it if it does not

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So, neither you nor the factions you support are democrats, nor are the monarchs, dictators, and elected dictators of the region. However, I am.

As for bigotry, the statement you made about Copts says a lot about who you are and what you believe, and it is frankly disgusting.

Frogman said:

Would some one who supports tyrannical regimes write this:-





So, neither you nor the factions you support are democrats, nor are the monarchs, dictators, and elected dictators of the region. However, I am.

As for bigotry, the statement you made about Copts says a lot about who you are and what you believe, and it is frankly disgusting.

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An Unitarian state is tyrannical? According to you? Do you realize that nobody in the region has genuine sovereignty? That everything is dictated by the West. It's pointless to discuss anything with you because you're a Coptic bigot who wants all Muslims to live in misery and submission to Christians. There's nothing disgusting in telling it like it is.

90% of the region don't want that and they will change. And nobody here is asking for your off topic opinions on Islamic related posts. Leave your drivel out of here. I don't want to have any pointless conversations with you. You're a pea-brained moron who only understands language of power and nothing will affect your grudge against Muslims/Palestinians except when Muslims become powerful enough to dictate their own affairs. By then you will shut your mouth. And yet you call yourself a civilized person who supports oppression/occupation on this logic that nothing can prevent you from doing so.

Don't respond to my post. I'm going to ignore a coptic Muslim hating bigot who curses Muhammad like your priests do so called 'athiest'. I dare you to come down to Egypt this upcoming summer and say it in front of me.

Hazzy997 said:

An Unitarian state is tyrannical? According to you? Do you realize that nobody in the region has genuine sovereignty? That everything is dictated by the West. It's pointless to discuss anything with you because you're a Coptic bigot who wants all Muslims to live in misery and submission to Christians. There's nothing disgusting in telling it like it is.

90% of the region don't want that and they will change. And nobody here is asking for your off topic opinions on Islamic related posts. Leave your drivel out of here. I don't want to have any pointless conversations with you. You're a pea-brained moron who only understands language of power and nothing will affect your grudge against Muslims/Palestinians except when Muslims become powerful enough to dictate their own affairs. By then you will shut your mouth. And yet you call yourself a civilized person who supports oppression/occupation on this logic that nothing can prevent you from doing so.

Don't respond to my post. I'm going to ignore a coptic Muslim hating bigot who curses Muhammad like your priests do so called 'athiest'. I dare you to come down to Egypt this upcoming summer and say it in front of me.

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Show me one post, one post where I have insulted Islam or Muslims or Mohammed.........

Looking for a fight over the internet and resorting to personal attacks and name calling without any reason and without proof that I have anything against any certain people or denomination is pathetic.

If you believe that I am indeed a bigot then fine do so, but you have proved you are one.

By the way, the majority of nations in the world (including the MENA region) are unitary states, the meaning of that phrase does not mean what you think it means.