Please, be neutral for once. What did Geo report? They accused ISI/army for Hamir murder attemp.
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Please, be neutral for once. What did Geo report? They accused ISI/army for Hamir murder attemp.
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I am being absolutely neutral. Geo did not accuse anybody. They merely covered the story where the victim claimed that if anything happened to him, he would suspect the ISI. That is all, just like Benazir claimed the same suspicions about Gen Musharraf.
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Than you must have not been watching Geo News at all. After the attack on Hamid Mir, they clear cut accused the ISI of orchestrating the attack. They had a picture of DG ISI on the screen while spewing their gibberish without any evidence what so ever. Its only after the back lash they have faced, they are backing down.
Lets be honest here, we are not getting fooled here. We all know what Geo stands for and where they get their funding from. Anyone who has watched Geo knows that it is spilling venom and trying to create unrest among the Pakistani populace. While i do not support ban of Geo by the Government, i fully support complete boycott of Geo by all Pakistanis.
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Geo is an apparatus that is effectively shaping the dominant culture of Pakistan. A culture that is inspired by India and backed by the global elite.
My problem with Geo is not its criticism of corrupt military establishment but rather it is about indulging in anti state activities.
Who defines what anti state is?
Simply, when you take money from foreign backed organizations and use it to influence the local political landscape while also shaping the dominant culture. In simple words, Muslims start their religious/cultural stuff on CNN will simply be unacceptable to the general American public.
(ALSO NOTE: That whenever Pakistani Army has taken money from the U.S and Europe alike, it is also anti state activity. All the illegal and illegitimate coups are not only illegal but have devastated the Pakistani economy). Add in the weaponry they get from the developed world just like the African political and military elite got from the Slave traders/governments.
Copying "idols" "gates (scandals)" "clothes" etc of other countries is not an act of liberalism. You have to understand that it is simply copying the culture of another country.
Similarly, if a Caucasian woman wears a hijab, it is not an act of conservatism rather it is about following and practising certain rituals or whatever you wanna name it.
At the end, it is the people that will decide. But generally speaking, people of any country past few hundred years have not decided anything for themselves. Its the elite that hold the aces.
My problem with Geo is not its criticism of corrupt military establishment but rather it is about indulging in anti state activities.
Who defines what anti state is?
Simply, when you take money from foreign backed organizations and use it to influence the local political landscape while also shaping the dominant culture. In simple words, Muslims start their religious/cultural stuff on CNN will simply be unacceptable to the general American public.
(ALSO NOTE: That whenever Pakistani Army has taken money from the U.S and Europe alike, it is also anti state activity. All the illegal and illegitimate coups are not only illegal but have devastated the Pakistani economy). Add in the weaponry they get from the developed world just like the African political and military elite got from the Slave traders/governments.
Copying "idols" "gates (scandals)" "clothes" etc of other countries is not an act of liberalism. You have to understand that it is simply copying the culture of another country.
Similarly, if a Caucasian woman wears a hijab, it is not an act of conservatism rather it is about following and practising certain rituals or whatever you wanna name it.
At the end, it is the people that will decide. But generally speaking, people of any country past few hundred years have not decided anything for themselves. Its the elite that hold the aces.
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similar to saffron terrorists asking to ban NDTV/CNN-IBN in India ?
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Geo is spy of India and Israel.
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What can one say about the emotional nature of my countrymen? If they like you, you are God’s gift to the mankind and if they don’t; you will be hounded like a mad dog. Let us examine the situation in a detached manner
Hamid Mir had been telling everyman that if he is killed, ISI would be responsible. Probably with the assumption that since he (Hamid Mir) is generally known as a fundamentalist sympathizer, Taliban will leave him alone and ISI would be afraid to do anything because he has already pointed a finger at them. However Hamid Mir’s support for Malala Yusufzai put him at the top of the Taliban hit list.
Geo Group in general & Hamid Mir in particular have been OTT in their “Presumptuous” comments on the military, ISI and the establishment in general. Therefore when Hamid Mir was pumped with 6 bullets on a busy Karachi main road in broad day light, it was assumed that ISI was the culprit. Ansar Abbassi; another anti-military Fundoo and leader of the pack of the long line of pro-extremist journalists that Geo group seems to have in their employ; demanded resignation of DG- ISI on TV. Geo TV continued this charade for 8 hours with the picture of DG ISI publicised as a convicted criminal.
Hamid Mir is no doubt a big name in the electronic media but he is not a “God” as he is made out to be by the Geo TV. Other media personnel have been attacked and even killed but deserved no such coverage. Frankly only other event that was covered so widely was the caravan of ex-CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry.
Condemning a serving PA General and the whole ISI on mere allegation was totally wrong and out of line. ISI are therefore justified in seeking redress for this defamation of Pakistan Army. This was the worst kind of journalism and crossed the boundaries that even FOX News dare not tread. But to ask for closure of the largest TV Channel is also OTT.
PEMRA with all its faults is doing the right thing and has issued a Show Cause Notice to the Geo Group. Geo owners are business men and only understand that matters to their pockets. Therefore in my humble opinion Geo Group should be fined punitive damages in the order of tens of billions of rupees and possibly a suspension of Geo News for a week or so. Cancellation of license altogether would tantamount to a curb on freedom of speech and would result in a strong back lash from the Pakistani as well as international media.
Hamid Mir had been telling everyman that if he is killed, ISI would be responsible. Probably with the assumption that since he (Hamid Mir) is generally known as a fundamentalist sympathizer, Taliban will leave him alone and ISI would be afraid to do anything because he has already pointed a finger at them. However Hamid Mir’s support for Malala Yusufzai put him at the top of the Taliban hit list.
Geo Group in general & Hamid Mir in particular have been OTT in their “Presumptuous” comments on the military, ISI and the establishment in general. Therefore when Hamid Mir was pumped with 6 bullets on a busy Karachi main road in broad day light, it was assumed that ISI was the culprit. Ansar Abbassi; another anti-military Fundoo and leader of the pack of the long line of pro-extremist journalists that Geo group seems to have in their employ; demanded resignation of DG- ISI on TV. Geo TV continued this charade for 8 hours with the picture of DG ISI publicised as a convicted criminal.
Hamid Mir is no doubt a big name in the electronic media but he is not a “God” as he is made out to be by the Geo TV. Other media personnel have been attacked and even killed but deserved no such coverage. Frankly only other event that was covered so widely was the caravan of ex-CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry.
Condemning a serving PA General and the whole ISI on mere allegation was totally wrong and out of line. ISI are therefore justified in seeking redress for this defamation of Pakistan Army. This was the worst kind of journalism and crossed the boundaries that even FOX News dare not tread. But to ask for closure of the largest TV Channel is also OTT.
PEMRA with all its faults is doing the right thing and has issued a Show Cause Notice to the Geo Group. Geo owners are business men and only understand that matters to their pockets. Therefore in my humble opinion Geo Group should be fined punitive damages in the order of tens of billions of rupees and possibly a suspension of Geo News for a week or so. Cancellation of license altogether would tantamount to a curb on freedom of speech and would result in a strong back lash from the Pakistani as well as international media.
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Respected Sir,
The matter is more serious then assassination of senior and most controvertial journalist Mr.Hamid Mir.I don't understand that how on earth he could blame our respected agencies when he was told and sent list already.Other journalists like Miss.Aasma Shirazi and Mr.Luqman were also on hit list.We also saw Najam Sethi,Salim Saafi and more.We also were informed that GEO TV owns bullet proof cars,and the day he was shot,he wasn't travelling in bullet proof but through rent a car service.Why that car,right after his assassination was washed and evidences were removed?
Why DG ISI's was projected as culprit?This matter is more serious.It appears as an attempt to destroy our image.
There is point in my mind.According to Jasmine Manzoor,he wasn't ready to visit Karachi.I think the reason due to which he blamed agencies just like that is that he was convinced to believe that he is being chased by agencies.Some third party which is involved should have made some attempts to make him believe ie by threatening him and representing themselves as agency officers etc?
The matter is't simple as it appears.A journalist is assassinated/shot and accuses agency.The channel puts blame on agencies.Evidences were washed and a lot more.This entire fiasco is ruining our image world wide.Guardian,BBC and Indian news agencies are actively quoting and propagating against our security and defense sectors.Our weak regime is unable to do anything!
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The problem is that GEO toed the line. Yes an unfortunate incident happened where a senior journalist was shot and it was very sad but you dont ever go around pointing at your own army and accusing them blatantly. They immediately started blaming the head of your intelligence agency. You dont do that especially in a country where the people have a soft corner for the military.
After doing something so irrational there was bound to be backlash not only from the people but also from the very much respected sector of the country with whom you are trying to fight it out.
The channel an hour after the event immediately started bad mouthing the army and is still doing it. Rather then blaming the taliban ( who actually have threatened the media on the basis of them showing the taliban as bad) or any other faction they immediately pointed fingers at the ISI without concrete proof ( and it has to be pretty concrete to blame your own armed forces).
Another thing i dont understand. The job was way to botched up for any intelligence agency.
After doing something so irrational there was bound to be backlash not only from the people but also from the very much respected sector of the country with whom you are trying to fight it out.
The channel an hour after the event immediately started bad mouthing the army and is still doing it. Rather then blaming the taliban ( who actually have threatened the media on the basis of them showing the taliban as bad) or any other faction they immediately pointed fingers at the ISI without concrete proof ( and it has to be pretty concrete to blame your own armed forces).
Another thing i dont understand. The job was way to botched up for any intelligence agency.
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Please consider this analogy: Person A commits blasphemy. Person B reports it to the Police Station, describing what was said. should the Police charge Person A, B, or both, with the crime?
News channels will display graphic and photographs relevant to the story being presented. A photo of the DG-ISI on screen while reporting on the allegations made by the victim's brother would be entirely appropriate. Feeling insulted or maligned due to this is not correct.
And if we are being honest, we all know that comments and insinuations that what Geo stands for is India, or that it is being financed by them are all hogwash and never proven. And if there is any tangible proof of that, then why have the agencies not presented a case already with the necessary proof?
Lastly, I will agree with you that it is the individual right of people to boycott any news outlet they wish. That Geo's viewership is the highest in the country means a lot in that context, wouldn't you say?
First, let the charge of defamation be proved before seeking redress. Mere reporting does not amount to that crime.
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