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Indian army looks strong only on paper, says Indian newspaper
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To many Indians, their country’s strategic position looks alarming. Its two biggest neighbours are China and Pakistan. It has fought wars with both, and border issues still fester. Both are nuclear-armed, and are allies with one another to boot. China, a rising superpower with five times India’s GDP, is quietly encroaching on India’s traditional sphere of influence, tying a “string of pearls” of alliances around the subcontinent, The Economistreported.

When four heavily armed infiltrators attacked an Indian army base on September 18th, killing 18 soldiers before being shot dead themselves, jitters inevitably spread. The base nestles in mountains close to the “line of control”, as the border between the Indian and Pakistani-administered parts of the disputed territory of Kashmir is known. Indian officials reflexively blamed Pakistan; politicians and pundits vied in demanding a punchy response. “Every Pakistan post through which infiltration takes place should be reduced to rubble by artillery fire,” blustered a retired brigadier who now mans a think-tank in New Delhi, India’s capital.

Yet despite electoral promises to be tough on Pakistan, the Hindu-nationalist government of Narendra Modi has trodden as softly as its predecessors.

There are good reasons for this. India gains diplomatic stature by behaving more responsibly. It is keenly aware of the danger of nuclear escalation, and of the risks of brinkmanship to its economy. Indian intelligence agencies also understand that they face an unusual adversary in Pakistan: such is its political frailty that any Indian belligerence tends to strengthen exactly the elements in Pakistan’s power structure that are most inimical to India’s own interests.

But there is another, less obvious reason for reticence. India is not as strong militarily as the numbers might suggest. Puzzlingly, given how its international ambitions are growing along with its economy, and how alarming its strategic position looks, India has proved strangely unable to build serious military muscle.

India’s armed forces look good on paper. It fields the world’s second-biggest standing army, after China, with long fighting experience in a variety of terrains and situations. It has topped the list of global arms importers since 2010, sucking in a formidable array of top-of-the-line weaponry, including Russian warplanes, Israeli missiles, American transport aircraft and French submarines. State-owned Indian firms churn out some impressive gear, too, including fighter jets, cruise missiles and the 40,000-tonne aircraft-carrier under construction in a shipyard in Kochi, in the south of the country.

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Yet there are serious chinks in India’s armour. Much of its weaponry is, in fact, outdated or ill maintained. “Our air defence is in a shocking state,” says Ajai Shukla, a commentator on military affairs. “What’s in place is mostly 1970s vintage, and it may take ten years to install the fancy new gear.” On paper, India’s air force is the world’s fourth largest, with around 2,000 aircraft in service. But an internal report seen in 2014 by IHS Jane’s, a defence publication, revealed that only 60% were typically fit to fly. A report earlier this year by a government accounting agency estimated that the “serviceability” of the 45 MiG 29K jets that are the pride of the Indian navy’s air arm ranged between 16% and 38%. They were intended to fly from the carrier currently under construction, which was ordered more than 15 years ago and was meant to have been launched in 2010. According to the government’s auditors the ship, after some 1,150 modifications, now looks unlikely to sail before 2023.

Such delays are far from unusual. India’s army, for instance, has been seeking a new standard assault rifle since 1982; torn between demands for local production and the temptation of fancy imports, and between doctrines calling for heavier firepower or more versatility, it has flip-flopped ever since. India’s air force has spent 16 years perusing fighter aircraft to replace ageing Soviet-era models. By demanding over-ambitious specifications, bargain prices, hard-to-meet local-content quotas and so on, it has left foreign manufacturers “banging heads against the wall”, in the words of one Indian military analyst. Four years ago France appeared to have clinched a deal to sell 126 of its Rafale fighters. The order has since been whittled to 36, but is at least about to be finalised.

India’s military is also scandal-prone. Corruption has been a problem in the past, and observers rightly wonder how guerrillas manage to penetrate heavily guarded bases repeatedly. Lately the Indian public has been treated to legal battles between generals over promotions, loud disputes over pay and orders for officers to lose weight. In July a military transport plane vanished into the Bay of Bengal with 29 people aboard; no trace of it has been found. In August an Australian newspaper leaked extensive technical details of India’s new French submarines.

The deeper problem with India’s military is structural. The three services are each reasonably competent, say security experts; the trouble is that they function as separate fiefdoms. “No service talks to the others, and the civilians in the Ministry of Defence don’t talk to them,” says Mr Shukla. Bizarrely, there are no military men inside the ministry at all. Like India’s other ministries, defence is run by rotating civil servants and political appointees more focused on ballot boxes than ballistics. “They seem to think a general practitioner can perform surgery,” says Abhijit Iyer-Mitra, who has worked as a consultant for the ministry. Despite their growing brawn, India’s armed forces still lack a brain.

Courtesy: The Economist
 
The punch line from the Economist

........Despite their growing brawn, India’s armed forces still lack a brain. :cheesy:
 
Indian army looks strong only on paper, says Indian newspaper
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To many Indians, their country’s strategic position looks alarming. Its two biggest neighbours are China and Pakistan. It has fought wars with both, and border issues still fester. Both are nuclear-armed, and are allies with one another to boot. China, a rising superpower with five times India’s GDP, is quietly encroaching on India’s traditional sphere of influence, tying a “string of pearls” of alliances around the subcontinent, The Economistreported.

When four heavily armed infiltrators attacked an Indian army base on September 18th, killing 18 soldiers before being shot dead themselves, jitters inevitably spread. The base nestles in mountains close to the “line of control”, as the border between the Indian and Pakistani-administered parts of the disputed territory of Kashmir is known. Indian officials reflexively blamed Pakistan; politicians and pundits vied in demanding a punchy response. “Every Pakistan post through which infiltration takes place should be reduced to rubble by artillery fire,” blustered a retired brigadier who now mans a think-tank in New Delhi, India’s capital.

Yet despite electoral promises to be tough on Pakistan, the Hindu-nationalist government of Narendra Modi has trodden as softly as its predecessors.

There are good reasons for this. India gains diplomatic stature by behaving more responsibly. It is keenly aware of the danger of nuclear escalation, and of the risks of brinkmanship to its economy. Indian intelligence agencies also understand that they face an unusual adversary in Pakistan: such is its political frailty that any Indian belligerence tends to strengthen exactly the elements in Pakistan’s power structure that are most inimical to India’s own interests.

But there is another, less obvious reason for reticence. India is not as strong militarily as the numbers might suggest. Puzzlingly, given how its international ambitions are growing along with its economy, and how alarming its strategic position looks, India has proved strangely unable to build serious military muscle.

India’s armed forces look good on paper. It fields the world’s second-biggest standing army, after China, with long fighting experience in a variety of terrains and situations. It has topped the list of global arms importers since 2010, sucking in a formidable array of top-of-the-line weaponry, including Russian warplanes, Israeli missiles, American transport aircraft and French submarines. State-owned Indian firms churn out some impressive gear, too, including fighter jets, cruise missiles and the 40,000-tonne aircraft-carrier under construction in a shipyard in Kochi, in the south of the country.

20160924_ASC640.png


Yet there are serious chinks in India’s armour. Much of its weaponry is, in fact, outdated or ill maintained. “Our air defence is in a shocking state,” says Ajai Shukla, a commentator on military affairs. “What’s in place is mostly 1970s vintage, and it may take ten years to install the fancy new gear.” On paper, India’s air force is the world’s fourth largest, with around 2,000 aircraft in service. But an internal report seen in 2014 by IHS Jane’s, a defence publication, revealed that only 60% were typically fit to fly. A report earlier this year by a government accounting agency estimated that the “serviceability” of the 45 MiG 29K jets that are the pride of the Indian navy’s air arm ranged between 16% and 38%. They were intended to fly from the carrier currently under construction, which was ordered more than 15 years ago and was meant to have been launched in 2010. According to the government’s auditors the ship, after some 1,150 modifications, now looks unlikely to sail before 2023.

Such delays are far from unusual. India’s army, for instance, has been seeking a new standard assault rifle since 1982; torn between demands for local production and the temptation of fancy imports, and between doctrines calling for heavier firepower or more versatility, it has flip-flopped ever since. India’s air force has spent 16 years perusing fighter aircraft to replace ageing Soviet-era models. By demanding over-ambitious specifications, bargain prices, hard-to-meet local-content quotas and so on, it has left foreign manufacturers “banging heads against the wall”, in the words of one Indian military analyst. Four years ago France appeared to have clinched a deal to sell 126 of its Rafale fighters. The order has since been whittled to 36, but is at least about to be finalised.

India’s military is also scandal-prone. Corruption has been a problem in the past, and observers rightly wonder how guerrillas manage to penetrate heavily guarded bases repeatedly. Lately the Indian public has been treated to legal battles between generals over promotions, loud disputes over pay and orders for officers to lose weight. In July a military transport plane vanished into the Bay of Bengal with 29 people aboard; no trace of it has been found. In August an Australian newspaper leaked extensive technical details of India’s new French submarines.

The deeper problem with India’s military is structural. The three services are each reasonably competent, say security experts; the trouble is that they function as separate fiefdoms. “No service talks to the others, and the civilians in the Ministry of Defence don’t talk to them,” says Mr Shukla. Bizarrely, there are no military men inside the ministry at all. Like India’s other ministries, defence is run by rotating civil servants and political appointees more focused on ballot boxes than ballistics. “They seem to think a general practitioner can perform surgery,” says Abhijit Iyer-Mitra, who has worked as a consultant for the ministry. Despite their growing brawn, India’s armed forces still lack a brain.

Courtesy: The Economist


There is a great amount of truth in this argument. Apart from what is listed , please refer to threads out here on the state of our artillery ( no acquisitions post Bofors ) the air force ( Rafale is the first acquisition of the 21st century by the IAF ) , etc etc.

Please spare a moment & analyse the situation .Had we had overwhelming conventional superiority over Pakistan , wouldn't we have retaliated long ago ,leave aside the current outrage at Uri?
We do have nuclear weapons too but the world knows it's in "safe hands". Pakistan & China concur.Hence , the constant needling by these two nations, particularly Pakistan.
 
Did you ever think that India was needling China and Pakistan too? Everything from Balochistan, CPEC, Tibet, South China Sea, etc.

Not to mention the various wars and the events leading up to those wars.


I don't think India's needling China.With Pakistan , it's a bit complex.
 
Did you ever think that India was needling China and Pakistan too? Everything from Balochistan, CPEC, Tibet, South China Sea, etc.

Not to mention the various wars and the events leading up to those wars.

Who drew the first blood by start issuing staples visas to residents of Kashmir and to Northern Army Command? CPEC goes through territory India claims. Who asked you to block UN resolution of known terrorist Mansoor Azhar who was released in exchange for hijack of an Indian plane. This is Shameless behaviour.

Please dont act as if China is innocent. China came to the table only after India refused to insert Tibet belongs to China in joint statement.

So what's with India drilling oil in contested waters in the South China Sea and selling Brahmos to Vietnam? :P

Not complaining. Just saying it goes both ways.

You havent sold anything to Viets? China's claim in SCS have no legal standing. Atleast Kashmir have a legal standing, backing and case. SCS case will lose in any court.
 
Who drew the first blood

Hmm I believe that was India, when you hosted China's largest separatist group in 1959. :P

And LOL, I never claimed China was innocent. Geopolitics is not about innocence, it's about power and national interests.

You havent sold anything to Viets? China's claim in SCS have no legal standing. Atleast Kashmir have a legal standing, backing and case. SCS case will lose in any court.

Not a single country in the ENTIRE world recognizes India's claim to all of Kashmir. :no:

Granted, the same thing applies to the SCS as well. The difference is we have enough power to seize it, as we are currently doing.
 
Did you ever think that India was needling China and Pakistan too? Everything from Balochistan, CPEC, Tibet, South China Sea, etc.

Not to mention the various wars and the events leading up to those wars.

It easy to throw words around like 'needling' and attempting to point fingers. ........ but let us go by facts shall we ?

India signs agreements and Treaties and STICKS to it.

China and pakistan both sign agreements and Treaties but its not worth the paper its written on.

Ask yourself, Dishonourable conduct is the hallmark of which nations ? Who has a massive cyber hacking army ? state controlled Media ? blatant disregard for IP ? Terrorism as an state policy ? Nuclear blackmail ? Nuclear proliferation ?

China is in no position to preach, pakistan is in no position to defend its activities.
 
It easy to throw words around like 'needling' and attempting to point fingers. ........ but let us go by facts shall we ?

India signs agreements and Treaties and STICKS to it.

China and pakistan both sign agreements and Treaties but its not worth the paper its written on.

Ask yourself, Dishonourable conduct is the hallmark of which nations ? Who has a massive cyber hacking army ? state controlled Media ? blatant disregard for IP ? Terrorism as an state policy ? Nuclear blackmail ? Nuclear proliferation ?

China is in no position to preach, pakistan is in no position to defend its activities.

You do realize that the modern world's very first suicide bombers were the LTTE, who were trained by Indira Gandhi on Indian soil? :P

You do realize China is sitting at the high table of the NPT, while India is excluded (along with Sudan and North Korea)?

For all the things we have supposedly done wrong (and I'm not saying we didn't), we are still sitting at the high table of international law, the UNSC, the P5, the NPT, the NSG, etc. Whereas the "saintly" India (led by the saintly Modi) is excluded from all these.

When will you guys learn, geopolitics has nothing to do with ideology or morality. It's all about power and national interests.
 
Hmm I believe that was India, when you hosted China's largest separatist group in 1959. :P

And LOL, I never claimed China was innocent. Geopolitics is not about innocence, it's about power and national interests.



Not a single country in the ENTIRE world recognizes India's claim to all of Kashmir. :no:

Granted, the same thing applies to the SCS as well. The difference is we have enough power to seize it, as we are currently doing.

Lol. Prove that. Infact Britain does :lol: And a host of lot of country. Atleast in Hong Kong I know you can have access to uncensored media :D

Oh yea with non nuclear babies all around who send their citizens occasionally to do suicide attacks outside ur home. Bravo China.
 
Lol. Prove that. Infact Britain does :lol: And a host of lot of country. Atleast in Hong Kong I know you can have access to uncensored media :D

If Britain does then give me a source? :rofl:

And yes I read the international media every day in HK.

Like I said, it's not about morality or ideology (like your moral Saint Modi will have you believe).

Geopolitics is all about power and national interests. We have the power to build all over the SCS, and no one has lifted a finger to stop us.

India has been crying about "surgical strikes" against Pakistan since 2008 but no one takes them seriously.
 

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