CPEC vis-a-vis Pakistan and India

[Pakistan First]

With CPEC, Chinese Strategic Goals are defined in a manner that it is in China's primary interest to ensure that Pakistan remains on a steady economic growth path free from any law & order and internal chaotic situation. Any disturbances within Pakistan will directly effect China's plans of having short, direct and economical access to arabian sea as well as having it's naval presence there.

Any misadventure by India, in the above situation, will not be tolerated by China. Even Russia, which is relying heavily on China in forming a strong eastern block to counter NATO and which has recently openly expressed its willingness to improve diplomatic and military relations with Pakistan, will not stand any such move by India towards Pakistan. India has no other option BUT to resolve its differences with Pakistan and reach an amicable solution to the Kashmir and Water issues. The alternative will be very detrimental to India as China will not tolerate anything which comes in the way of it's CPEC plans.

So, in the fast changing scenario, India has to play ball and either join the group that is forming Russia-China-India-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey, or be at the receiving end by the remaining members of the group. India has to make this choice. There's no akhand bharat happening in the above scenario, however, there can most certainly be a ghazwa-e-hind, if India doesn't behave like a good boy.

 

[ebrahym]

Russia-China-India-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey

it is too early to predict this
and even earlier to predict Russian accomplice with Pakistan
Right now Pakistan is more likely to be alienated from this than India
Russia have excellent relations with all
China only have some issues with India
India only have issues with China
Iran have no issue with anyone
Turkey on gud terms with all
get the picture?

 

[ito]

With CPEC, Chinese Strategic Goals are defined in a manner that it is in China's primary interest to ensure that Pakistan remains on a steady economic growth path free from any law & order and internal chaotic situation. Any disturbances within Pakistan will directly effect China's plans of having short, direct and economical access to arabian sea as well as having it's naval presence there.

Any misadventure by India, in the above situation, will not be tolerated by China. Even Russia, which is relying heavily on China in forming a strong eastern block to counter NATO and which has recently openly expressed its willingness to improve diplomatic and military relations with Pakistan, will not stand any such move by India towards Pakistan. India has no other option BUT to resolve its differences with Pakistan and reach an amicable solution to the Kashmir and Water issues. The alternative will be very detrimental to India as China will not tolerate anything which comes in the way of it's CPEC plans.

So, in the fast changing scenario, India has to play ball and either join the group that is forming Russia-China-India-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey, or be at the receiving end by the remaining members of the group. India has to make this choice. There's no akhand bharat happening in the above scenario, however, there can most certainly be a ghazwa-e-hind, if India doesn't behave like a good boy.

First, your constitution says that GB is not part of Pakistan. Then how come you are building CPEC through GB? You cry so much about UN resolutions. This is a clear violation of those resolutions.

There is nothing for China to tolerate or not tolerate. India did warned China that CPEC passing through GB is illegal. In spite China proceeded, so any consequences have to be borne by China too.

 

[Pulsar]

With CPEC, Chinese Strategic Goals are defined in a manner that it is in China's primary interest to ensure that Pakistan remains on a steady economic growth path free from any law & order and internal chaotic situation. Any disturbances within Pakistan will directly effect China's plans of having short, direct and economical access to arabian sea as well as having it's naval presence there.

Any misadventure by India, in the above situation, will not be tolerated by China. Even Russia, which is relying heavily on China in forming a strong eastern block to counter NATO and which has recently openly expressed its willingness to improve diplomatic and military relations with Pakistan, will not stand any such move by India towards Pakistan. India has no other option BUT to resolve its differences with Pakistan and reach an amicable solution to the Kashmir and Water issues. The alternative will be very detrimental to India as China will not tolerate anything which comes in the way of it's CPEC plans.

So, in the fast changing scenario, India has to play ball and either join the group that is forming Russia-China-India-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey, or be at the receiving end by the remaining members of the group. India has to make this choice. There's no akhand bharat happening in the above scenario, however, there can most certainly be a ghazwa-e-hind, if India doesn't behave like a good boy.

And you are?

Delusions galore! Do make an appointment with your shrink before you venture to write your next post. This one is idiocy unlimited.

 

[Pakistan First]

it is too early to predict this
and even earlier to predict Russian accomplice with Pakistan
Right now Pakistan is more likely to be alienated from this than India
Russia have excellent relations with all
China only have some issues with India
India only have issues with China
Iran have no issue with anyone
Turkey on gud terms with all
get the picture?

Exactly my point. Neither Russia nor China would want, in the given scenario, for any chaos within their region and everyone to play along with the plan. It is in everyone's interest for both Pakistan and China to resolve their issues amicably and neither can be allowed to be the US-stooge in the region.

 

[艹艹艹]

First, your constitution says that GB is not part of Pakistan. Then how come you are building CPEC through GB? You cry so much about UN resolutions. This is a clear violation of those resolutions.

There is nothing for China to tolerate or not tolerate. India did warned China that CPEC passing through GB is illegal. In spite China proceeded, so any consequences have to be borne by China too.

“ In spite China proceeded, so any consequences have to be borne by China too.”
Is India ready to start a war against China?

 

[ebrahym]

Exactly my point. Neither Russia nor China would want, in the given scenario, for any chaos within their region and everyone to play along with the plan. It is in everyone's interest for both Pakistan and China to resolve their issues amicably and neither can be allowed to be the US-stooge in the region.

Exactly US might exploit Kashmir Issue to create havoc in this region
as it is in their best interest right now

 

[M. Sarmad]

First, your constitution says that GB is not part of Pakistan. Then how come you are building CPEC through GB? You cry so much about UN resolutions. This is a clear violation of those resolutions.

An Indian talking about UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir !! ... Interesting

Anyway, International Law does not forbid foreign investment in disputed territories.

 

[ito]

“ In spite China proceeded, so any consequences have to be borne by China too.”
Is India ready to start a war against China?

In case of a war, neither China nor India will survive and with them 50% of the world's population because both are nuclear. So both will avoid war

And all consequences doesn't have to be military, you may be excluded from a fast growing market of 1.3 billion consumers.

 

[Pakistan First]

“ In spite China proceeded, so any consequences have to be borne by China too.”
Is India ready to start a war against China?

Bingo. That's what my first post pointed to. The alignment of strategic interests of both countries.

In case of a war, neither China nor India will survive and with them 50% of the world's population because both are nuclear. So both will avoid war

And all consequences doesn't have to be military, you may be excluded from a fast growing market of 1.3 billion consumers.

The question is, will India put everything at stake (94% of Hindu population of the world !) just because Modi can't keep his dick in his dhoti?

 

[ito]

An Indian talking about UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir !! ... Interesting

Anyway, International Law does not forbid foreign investment in disputed territories.

I did not say India cares about UN resolutions, I feel UN resolutions are defunct after Shimla. There is no way India is reverting back to UN resolutions. It is Pakistan that cares, so why violate it.

Bingo. That's what my first post pointed to. The alignment of strategic interests of both countries.


The question is, will India put everything at stake (94% of Hindu population of the world !) just because Modi can't keep his dick in his dhoti?

Who cares whether India is hindu or not. If you hurt us, we will hurt you.

 

[Pakistan First]

The common junta of Pakistan still has to understand the significance of CPEC and why our Military has given it so much importance. CPEC ensures that Indian threat is neutralised. CPEC is an integral part of China's strategic goals and China will not tolerate anything come in CPEC's way and so therefore will not allow India any shenanigans in or towards Pakistan. Pakistan just has to ensure that CPEC development progresses as per plans. Previously Pakistan had to spend enormously to counter Indian threat. Now with one master stroke, not only indian threat has been neutralised, but at the same time resulted in prospective economic growth and development for the country. India knows this and that's why it's hurting so badly.

 

[Laozi]

“ In spite China proceeded, so any consequences have to be borne by China too.”
Is India ready to start a war against China?

The point is whether China will start a war with India over CPEC or ask India to give access to Indian Ocean and be friends with India

 

[Pakistan First]

Exactly US might exploit Kashmir Issue to create havoc in this region
as it is in their best interest right now

For that to happen, it'll have to use India. And if India willingly plays US' game in the region, it won't go down well with India's northern neighbours.

The point is whether China will start a war with India over CPEC or ask India to give access to Indian Ocean and be friends with India

Valid point. That, our Chinese brothers here on the forum will be in a better position to answer.

That's the whole point of having a civilised discussion. Bring all aspects of the situation on the table.

Waisay, don't you think the Chinese would have done their homework properly before actually investing (already) so much on Gawader and CPEC. Wouldn't they have thought through about alternatives, such as the one highlighted by you?

The question: WILL China go to war with India if India comes in the way of CPEC?

 

[M. Sarmad]

I did not say India cares about UN resolutions, I feel UN resolutions are defunct after Shimla. There is no way India is reverting back to UN resolutions. It is Pakistan that cares, so why violate it.

Construction of CPEC does not violate the UNSC Resolutions or International Law. India's concerns are unwarranted.

India is going ahead with the construction of dams on Pakistani rivers in Indian Occupied Kashmir. India should realize that it is not on high moral ground to ask Pakistan to abandon CPEC or other projects in Azad Jammu and Kashmir.