A complete encirclement Of Pakistan? by the Indo-Afghan alliance??

[volatile]

Its not there fault either ,people going there are some times have no idea about law /regulations and remember all are going in labour ,I have seen Indians doing white collar jobs but they even dont have any respect most of the time .

 

[airmarshal]

The writer correctly pointed out Cold War mindset.

The thing is military can do so much, good or bad. The perception management is the work of political government. India is getting away with murder in Pakistan but no one is willing to listen to Pakistan. India is officially sponsoring terror in Pakistan. Despite getting hold of a RAW agent and his network, a tactical success, Pakistan has not been able to convert it into strategic success.

Pakistan approach in Afghanistan is flawed. It has miserably failed in perception management despite suffering insurmountable economic and social upheaval in the last 3 decades. Crying hoarse about suffering looks like we are complaining. We have not been able to gain anything from this suffering. Despite doing so much, more than we were economically capable, common Afghans still dont have a good perception of our country.

This is a failure rightly pointed out by the author. Usually the answer to such argument is that its the military that created a mess. If it was politically owned and the politicians had a vision other than how to steal, this mess could have been our biggest gain.

My Fiance was mugged by 3 afghan guys last night in Karachi . Police caught the afghan guys and those turned out to be refugees with no papers whatsoever . Somebody should just put this country out of its misery . Its a headache for its citizens , for its neighbours and for everyone . What use does Afghanistan have? half of its $ 17 billion economy is run by drugs and hash .

If there ever was a land cursed by God it has to be Afghanistan.

But look at how other countries are using Afghanistan for their strategic gains. While we doing so much have been left out.

It does not matter what Afghanistan has. It matter how its being used. And its being used against us quite successfully while we have no answer except narrating our misery.

 

[Dalit]

The writer correctly pointed out Cold War mindset.

The thing is military can do so much, good or bad. The perception management is the work of political government. India is getting away with murder in Pakistan but no one is willing to listen to Pakistan. India is officially sponsoring terror in Pakistan. Despite getting hold of a RAW agent and his network, a tactical success, Pakistan has not been able to convert it into strategic success.

Pakistan approach in Afghanistan is flawed. It has miserably failed in perception management despite suffering insurmountable economic and social upheaval in the last 3 decades. Crying hoarse about suffering looks like we are complaining. We have not been able to gain anything from this suffering. Despite doing so much, more than we were economically capable, common Afghans still dont have a good perception of our country.

This is a failure rightly pointed out by the author. Usually the answer to such argument is that its the military that created a mess. If it was politically owned and the politicians had a vision other than how to steal, this mess could have been our biggest gain.



But look at how other countries are using Afghanistan for their strategic gains. While we doing so much have been left out.

It does not matter what Afghanistan has. It matter how its being used. And its being used against us quite successfully while we have no answer except narrating our misery.

Let's get one thing dead straight. Afghans are never going to have a positive perception regarding Pakistan. It is a misconception to believe that Afghans can ever hold a favorable view of Pakistan. This isn't something new or a feeling which has developed overnight. The Indians/Americans have simply exploited and capitalized on their existing hate towards Pakistan. One has to understand the mindset of an ordinary Afghan to understand his/her abhorrence for Pakistan. This deep seethed hate has a long history. It started the day Pakistan gained independence. These abhorrent people have never been able to digest and accept Pakistan as a neighbor. The author seems to ignore/overlook these facts.

Having said that, Pakistan shouldn't have supported the US Cold War on Afghan soil. This is Pakistan's cardinal sin. This has come to haunt us very badly. Dictators unfortunately made the wrong decision.

There is nothing to be gained in Afghanistan. Not for us nor for anyone else. This has been the case for centuries. The Indians are simply resorting to terror tactics by using the Afghan soil to destabilize Pakistan. In the long run, this is going to hurt them very badly. Feeding terror breeds more terror and the Indians will eventually find that out the hard way.

Having said that, Pakistan needs to close the border and repatriate Afghans back to their homeland. This is in the best interest of Pakistan.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Yes, Pakistan may face 3 front war of India , Afghanistan and Iran. India too has a risk of 2 front war from Pakistan and china.

In no way would Iran ever dare of attacking Pakistan. Especially when they support Pakistan's stance on Kashmir and even for some miraculous reason they did - it would pull the US and the Gulf Countries on our side.

Afghanistan cant do anything except say empty words and attempt petty border skirmishes. If they mobilize for war then they'll lose whatever little they control to the Taliban and other insurgent groups. If they ever attempt any incursion it would lead to a mass mobilization of the Lashkars and Pashtun Tribesmen who have pledged to protect Pakistan from any internal and external threat. A regular force of around 20-30,000 supported by an Armoured division, the irregulars and the Air Force is capable enough to take all of Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan–Pakistan_skirmishes

As for India, our military is more than capable of thwarting an Indian offensive - as long as our military is back on the right sides of the border. If China decides to intervene(most likely due to Chinese troops present in Pakistan); then its game over for India.

 

[risingsinga]

Pakistan needs to find its friends in Afghanistan and India and northern alliance will be done there.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Let's get one thing dead straight. Afghans are never going to have a positive perception regarding Pakistan. It is a misconception to believe that Afghans can ever hold a favorable view of Pakistan. This isn't something new or a feeling which has developed overnight. The Indians/Americans have simply exploited and capitalized on their existing hate towards Pakistan. One has to understand the mindset of an ordinary Afghan to understand his/her abhorrence for Pakistan. This deep seethed hate has a long history. It started the day Pakistan gained independence. These abhorrent people have never been able to digest and accept Pakistan as a neighbor. The author seems to ignore/overlook these facts.

Having said that, Pakistan shouldn't have supported the US Cold War on Afghan soil. This is Pakistan's cardinal sin. This has come to haunt us very badly. Dictators unfortunately made the wrong decision.

There is nothing to be gained in Afghanistan. Not for us nor for anyone else. This has been the case for centuries. The Indians are simply resorting to terror tactics by using the Afghan soil to destabilize Pakistan. In the long run, this is going to hurt them very badly. Feeding terror breeds more terror and the Indians will eventually find that out the hard way.

Having said that, Pakistan needs to close the border and repatriate Afghans back to their homeland. This is in the best interest of Pakistan.

Anti-Pakistan sentiments will subside soon enough; majority Pashtuns are getting tired and frustrated over the government that is dominated by the minority. Sooner or later; most likely - i'll see Pashtun majority regions in Afghanistan ; seceding away to Pakistan.

Current Afghan government is using Pakistan as a 'common enemy' to unite the people of Afghanistan.

 

[litman]

full marks should be given to india. they have surrounded pak from all sides. afghanistan and iran may not attack pak but they intelligence agencies are working against pak may be for their own interests. iran is natural ally of india because of gwador port. so iran is bound to create unrest in baluchistan which is also in india's interest and they have been doing it for many years. afghanistan has always been a problem for pak except for the time when taliban were in command. presently iran and afghanistan are in india's pocket. but all these are minor trouble makers. the real threat to the pakistan are the elite of the pak political parties which have secret relations with raw. ANP successfully shut down the kalabagh dam project. mqm , ppp and pml n leaders are also on the pay roll of the raw. in addition to that a big chunk of the media of pakistan and social activists are also working for india's interest. military 's past record is also not very satisfying. the only hope for pak is raheel shareef and the day he retires pak will be in total control of her enemies as it was before his appointment as COAS.

Kabul is in no position to fight anyone except saving their own rear from Afghanistan.

Pakistan should have realised from start that Chahbahar is a competitor (a direct threat to interests of Pakistan) and not a sister port, the whole strategy should have revolved around that fact. When others can harm Gawadar why Pakistan cannot do the same?

we generally like to harm ourselves.

 

[Dalit]

Anti-Pakistan sentiments will subside soon enough; majority Pashtuns are getting tired and frustrated over the government that is dominated by the minority. Sooner or later; most likely - i'll see Pashtun majority regions in Afghanistan ; seceding away to Pakistan.

Current Afghan government is using Pakistan as a 'common enemy' to unite the people of Afghanistan.

That is a fair point. Of course, the Pashtun population in Afghanistan is discriminated and alienated. This is sooner rather than later going to backfire. The Pashtun population is always going to side with Pakistan. This is the reason why the Americans disprove the Pashtun population in Afghanistan. The Americans did the same thing with the Sunnis in Iraq. The outcome is well-known. Iraq is reeling until this very day.

 

[litman]

CPEC is the only good thing happening to pakistan. the politicians tried hard to make it controversial like the kalabagh dam but the personal interest and effort of the COAS are making it into reality. right now the only country which is proving to our real friend is china. i admit there are no friends in Int relations but yes they have helped us a lot.

 

[Dalit]

CPEC is the only good thing happening to pakistan. the politicians tried hard to make it controversial like the kalabagh dam but the personal interest and effort of the COAS are making it into reality. right now the only country which is proving to our real friend is china. i admit there are no friends in Int relations but yes they have helped us a lot.

You ought to highlight the COAS part in the above post. That is how much success CPEC has gained by the support of COAS. No bloody doubt about it.

 

[litman]

That is a fair point. Of course, the Pashtun population in Afghanistan is discriminated and alienated. This is sooner rather than later going to backfire. The Pashtun population is always going to side with Pakistan. This is the reason why the Americans disprove the Pashtun population in Afghanistan. The Americans did the same thing with the Sunnis in Iraq. The outcome is well-known. Iraq is reeling until this day.

generally in poor countries it doesn't matter what the population thinks. you just need to control the ruling elite and they will do the job for you in the manner you want .

 

[Genghis khan1]

Afghans are not gonna fight Pakistan. for one they don't have the proper Army and resources, 2. Same tribes are living across the durand line. They not gonna shell their own brethrens. For Iran, as long as Pakistan keep feeding Iranian that Pakistan is neutral in the mid-east Shia-Sunni mess that they have created, Iranians are not foolish to poke Pakistan. If Pakistan openly sided with Saudis, then Iranian will cause trouble for Pakistan, just like they are doing in Bahrain and Saudi through their Shia proxies. In direct confrontation, they are not much match for Pakistan's military.

 

[Dalit]

generally in poor countries it doesn't matter what the population thinks. you just need to control the ruling elite and the will do the job for you in the manner you want .

Agreed, but when an uprising occurs even the elite aren't safe. The Pashtun population in Afghanistan is a bubble waiting to burst. As long as the Tajik and Uzbek are given preferential treatment you can always expect crap to hit the fan. It is the law of nature.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That is BS. Iran isn't waging war with Pakistan. We may have our tussles from time to time, but war is out of the question.

Pakistan has to deal with the porous Afghan border which has become a nightmare. Illegal refugees, drugs smugglers, child abductors and everyone else has a free pass to enter Pakistan. This is Pakistan's failure. Pakistan has to take care of the border area or pay a bloody price like it has until now. India is not a major problem. We'll deal with them accordingly.

As for regional trade between various nations. This can only be a brought to fruition when India is willing to resolve the Kashmir issue and stops using Afghanistan as a terror base against Pakistan. On the other hand, Pakistan too has to let Afghanistan go as a strategic base. There is nothing to be gained from Afghanistan.

I'm all for regional trade, peace and development, but not at the expense of downgrading Pakistan.

Just let us know when you have the time to tell us what to do, where, how. We'd be happy to learn from your success.

 

[T-123456]

Neither Iran nor Afghanistan would go against Pakistan,they wouldnt want to make enemies with the entire ''Muslim'' world.so this is not realistic.
There will be no war,''cold'' or ''warm''.