Just to kill this self satisfying theory of Indian that Pakistan created Talibans.
The Taliban was one of the Mujahideen factions that formed during the Soviet occupation and the internal fighting in Afghanistan.
http://www-pub.naz.edu/~aamghar6/History of the Taliban.htm
Considering taliban as a warring faction in pre rabbani era is quite a simplistic view of the ground reality. If you wan't to believe that sure go ahead, but if you dig down a little deeper, how Mulah Omar came to prominence after the avenging the child of the tribesmen who was molested by the local warlord, and this he did with 30 men under him from a local madarsa of singesar, growing populist movement under him, he gained momentum not during the Soviet occupattion but a good 4 years after that. By now Dar ul ullom Haqqania was supllying truck loads of talibs to Mullah omar, and wonder who was arming training and funding them? For sure it wasn't the US, they had pulled out of the region post Soviet collapse. The major power structure in 1992-94 was divided betwen ahmed rashid dostum, Ahmed Shah Massoud, Burhanudeen Rabbani, Gulbudeen hekymetyaar, Jalaluddin haqqani, and some other players like Ismail Khan, Abdul ali mazari. abdul Sayyaf and Abdul Haq.
In 1992 at fall of Kabul Gen Dostum allied with Ahmed Shah Massoud, once that happened it was a domino effect and the another division of the Afghan army defected to Massoud, securing bagram airbase. This was a pivotal moment in the history of Afganistan, where Ahmed Shah Massoud di not enter Kabul or seize power, instead Rabbini was the made the President, as a power sharing arrangement, Hekmetyaar was made the prime minister but he did not accept the position, rather quite famously qouted that he will enter kabul with a naked sword. This led to massoud entering Kabul to preserve the peshawar accords.
Hekymetyaar laid seige to Kabul with the backing of Pakistan, this was the first instant where Pakistani showed it's true intent to install a Pashtun leader in Kabul, although Hezb forces of hekymetyaar were repulsed by jamiat and massoud, but they were still in arty range, and Pakistan brought in rocket arty, and then ensued one of the worst artylerry attack on Kabul.
All of this happened in 1992- And there was NO TALIBAN, NO MULLAH OMAR none of that. major players were Massoud, Mazari, Dostum, Sayyaf, and Hekymetyaar.
1992-1996 was the next phase of war where Taliban gains powers, allies with - Hezb -e - islami (hekymetyaar) and gets immense funding from Pakistan, to finish what they failed at in 1992.
Yes, all of these mujaheddin groups at one time fought Soviets with the help of US and Pakistan, they also fought among themselves, there was infigthing between massoud and Hezb, there was infighting between sayyaf and hezb e whadat of Mazari, but none of these were shared "Mullah Omars Taliban values" (with the exception of maybe Abdul Rasul sayaaf)
When Mullah Omar rose to prominence, ISI bankrolled the logistics, the munition (same as it did for Hezb e islami in 1992) but this time with the difference of placing it's competent combatants as advisors in the ranks during the siege of kabul in 1996. between 92-96, pakistani mobilisation was so massive, that about 80-100k Pakistanis fought alongside Hekymetyaar, mullah omar, Haqqani, all under the umbrella network of Taliban (according to pakistani writer Ahmed Rshid).
If you take a college paper and wan't to treat taliban as just another mujhahideen faction to help you narrative, its fine by me, but that doesn't change the reality.
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Now coming toward Kashmir well Sub continent was divided on religious lines and Kashmir being 97% Muslims was supposed to be a part of Pakistan and if you comes up with the instrument of accession thing well then I would remind you of Junagadh and her accession to Pakistan just to let you see what you are conveniently choosing to ignore.
Again factually wrong. Kashmir valley had prominent Mulsim Population, not jammu and Ladakh. Junhagadh had had Plebiscite and with a massive vote chose to secede to India.
Now the mistake we made was when we took more than half of kashmir from you in 48 making you run to UN begging for help we shouldnt have accepted UN mediation and finish this then and there but we made a MISTAKE that we let you guys go and didnt even got it ensured a systematic procedure on how you will get the referundum conducted as demanded by UN.
Again factually wrong, You invaded the state of jammu and kashmir, once India got involved you lost territory in Kashmir. Much like every conflict, Pakistani actions are tactically brilliant .... untill India gets involved.
You are also quite wrong on the referendum- there are preconditions to the plebiscite which hasn't been meet.
Having said that India believes that she can continue her forceful occupation ( because you guys have around two hundred and fifty thousands troops in IOK sending 17 more battalions now compared to few thousands of our in Independent Kashmir) forever she lives in a delusional world .
You seem like a well educated person, don't subscribe to idiotic views of Zahid Hamid, 17 batalions are not being sent to kashmir, but being raised for the indian forces to fight insurgency in affected areas. (a news very similar to Pakistan army raising 18000 strong troop by recruitment drive in balochistan)
You guys had your best chance in 08-09 when we are having daily suicide bombings in our cities killing innocents women and children and our bases were being attacked all through your proxy TTP but we survived that onslaught and didnt give up kashmir
. Today we are in much better position and TTP activities have been reduced to mere 2-3% as what they were used to be back then.
TTP is not Indian proxy, Indian people dont donate money in thier places of worship for holy war in pakistan, unlike what happens in pakistan where LET and JEM have genuine following in Pakistan. I see this fad of pointing at indian involvement almost as a self fulfilling prophecy. Please be careful for what you wish for.
Bottom line is if India wants to ensure peace as she claims she needs to follow UN resolution and one more thing when you guys ran to UN in 48 for help they didnt support your instrument of accession instead they asked you to give people right to self determination effectively denying the notion that any such instrument had any real legal status.
When you want to argue about USNC resolution, I reccomend you read them properly
https://defence.pk/threads/kashmir-plebiscite-and-un-security-council-resolution.215581/
KASHMIR KASHMIR KASHMIR Its all about Kashmir we want Kashmiris to be asked what they want to do with their land but you want to go along with your Atoot Ang shit and suppression so who is the culprit here ?
Last thing India had her best shot and she missed it Pakistan is growing strong now and the coming War wont be a proxy one or a keyboard one its gonna be a real one full of blood and emotions and what we will be fighting for is the right of self determination of Kashmiris as mandated by UN and will support them even if they want to be independent and what india will be fighting for " Yeah there was that Raja who signed some sort of accession paper which was even debunked by UN but still thats our atoot ang despit ebeing 97% Muslim and we will keep on suppressing the locals till they stop asking for freedom"
I know deep within even you know you are supporting the wrong side here the side which is the aggressor and killer of thousands of innocents and you know it was your soldiers who were used to rape sisters of freedom fighters so that no other young guy joins them but dude it takes courage REAL courage to call a spade a spade .
You should read more. But nevertheless I admire the zeal.
regards.
