Why China Is Selling Submarines to Pakistan ?

[Sine Nomine]

at least we are not giving our ports to any foreign country.

And How many of your Ports are important for other countries. Gawadar is given to them because they will use it 100% for there trade we do our 100% Trade from Karachi.China along with CAS will use this port.

 

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to defend your freedom and sovereignty from India you are selling your freedom and sovereignty to China. Good

 

[zebra7]

so let me get this straight here. china is arming pakistan so that it would keep india busy so china can get tibet? doesn't china have tibet already!

SP

You didn't got me right. The Chinese wants to involved and contained India with the pakistan so he could considerate on her eastern boundries which is Tiwan, Japan, S. Korea backed by US in the region which have lot of disputes and its in more priority to be given. Now you have just posted the view of the author from some source which I don't think you have written which may be or maybe not or partially true in reality but what I see presently is the military deal involve the supply of the subs which gives the profit to the OEMs of the chinese origin and long lasting defense collaboration with some element of political and tactical gain in the indian continetal region. If the author thinks that supplying some subs gives PN an edge and deffinite parity over IN than I think that means the forcing the IN to increase its Anti Submarine capability and subsurface suveillance capability, which you can see as the part in the shape of P-8i.

 

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nothing wrong allowing them to do trade but giving them full control and sovereignty over port is something wrong. and dont tell me Pakistan is not capable of handling port.

We gave them full control to administer the port. If you think we have given up the sovereignty,why is that it is and will be protected by PAKISTAN security forces?
What you stated was cheap. Your hatred towards us has ruined you.

 

[Zarvan]

Revealed: Why China Is Selling Submarines to Pakistan
Does the sale represent a step in China’s possible ambitions to have a toehold in the Indian Ocean?

As previously covered by The Diplomat, Pakistan announced earlier this year that it has agreed to purchase eight modified Type 41 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarines from China. These boats will provide Islamabad with much-needed Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) capabilities against the Indian Navy in case of war. This would be especially useful in case of an Indian blockade of Pakistan’s coast and could give New Delhi grounds to pause before deploying its planned new aircraft carrier, the INS Vikrant.

A Yuan-class submarine is undoubtedly a great piece of kit. It is China’s first class of submarines to incorporate an indigenously designed- and constructed Air-Independent Propulsion system (AIP), giving it a cruise speed of 18 knots and an operational range of 8,000 nautical miles. Although the export version of the Yuan, named the S-20, does not automatically come fitted with the AIP, Pakistan has apparently been able to secure it for its subs. Furthermore, the Yuan is integrated “with advanced noise reduction techniques including anechoic tiles, passive/active noise reduction and an asymmetrical seven-blade skewed propeller.”

Combined with the AIP, this makes the Yuan-class the quietest non-nuclear sub in the PLAN. Furthermore, the Yuan has an impressive set of teeth. Aside from six tubes firing standard 553mm torpedoes, it is equipped with the YJ-8/8A Anti-Ship Cruise Missile (ASCM). While this weapon only has a maximum range of between 30-42 km, there are plans to equip the Yuans with the YJ-18 ASCM. These missiles have a reported range of 220 km and, represent a real A2/AD “force multiplier” for the Yuan. Whether Pakistan will attempt to acquire these missiles, or opt to go for another option (such as their indigenously produced Hatf VII Babur) is unknown.

The sale raises one crucial question: why is China selling Pakistan these subs? There is undoubtedly a commercial aspect to this transaction (it is unknown how much Pakistan will pay for these boats, although it is certainly in the multi-billion dollar range). However, one potential reason which is worrying analysts in New Delhi is that this represents a step in China’s possible ambitions to have a toehold in the Indian Ocean. Without opening the can of worms that is the “String of Pearls” debate, it’s worth looking at this possibility.

Here are the facts: Firstly, the Indian Ocean is important for China for a range of reasons. The amount of Chinese sea-borne trade which passes through the Indian Ocean sea-lane is staggering. These sea-lines of communication (SLOCs) represent a lifeline for the Chinese economy, not least in terms of imports of natural resources, especially hybrocarbons, and exports, in terms of manufactured goods. Any naval strategist worth his salt has read Alfred Thayer Mahan, and will immediately recognize the importance of securing a trading state’s SLOCs. China is no exception.

Secondly, China has recently deployed submarines to the Indian Ocean. (This, incidentally, included the visit of a Yuan-class boat to Karachi.) According to Beijing, these are primarily there to participate in the ongoing anti-piracy campaign in the Gulf of Aden. While this is at least partially true, it is also likely that they are conducting exercises, surveys, and perhaps even combat patrols which can be useful for future operations in the Indian Ocean. Thirdly, Beijing does care about its image and is “realistic” about its power-projection capabilities. According to a recent US Naval War College report, it’s unlikely that China will construct overseas bases in the same way that the United States or France have in the near future in fear of alarming other stakeholders and overstretching naval resources needed closer to home. Finally, China is a long way from the Indian Ocean, and Pakistan is its closest partner in the neighborhood.

Even if its subs can stay at sea for months without refueling at a time, its crews can’t. Having a well-fitted anchorage close to a submarine’s intended area of operations makes it much easier to rotate crews, take on fresh supplies, and carry out maintenance. The PLAN has already called on ports in Oman, Djibouti, and Aden during its anti-piracy campaigns in the Gulf of Aden. However, this has so far only included surface vessels. Submarines often require more specialized facilities to function effectively. Locating a resupply place (not base) in the friendliest state in the area makes sense.

A Pakistani naval facility which already berths compatible subs sounds like a good fit for such a “place.” It would remove the need to permanently station a large number of personnel and equipment abroad, while providing adequate maintenance facilities for the sort of routine repairs that submarines unavoidably need in order to function smoothly over long periods of time. This wouldn’t represent the first time this kind of arrangement has occurred. For example, the British Oberon-class was used by several other allied states during the Cold War, including Australia and Canada. The fact that these navies operated the same class of vessels facilitated maintenance during exercises and visits.\


Revealed: Why China Is Selling Submarines to Pakistan | The Diplomat

First China and Pakistan has 60 year old relationship that is why China is selling us these submarines. Than Pakistan needs much bigger Naval Force which includes lot of submarines to counter our beloved enemy India. Thirdly China is now also investing in CPEC for which they want our Arabian sea to be in our full control and no enemy dares to block it. Finally I would suggest China places 4 Type 54 Frigates and two Type 52D Destroyers at Gawader along with two nuclear submarines. Pakistan should also buy lot of Type 54 A Frigates from China as well as Cruise missile destroyers. I find this article stupid and hilarious and completely childish.

 

[Sine Nomine]

nothing wrong allowing them to do trade but giving them full control and sovereignty over port is something wrong. and dont tell me Pakistan is not capable of handling port.

Please post that Document which sates all that from official source of Pakistan Government.

 

[mikhail ivanovich]

China has a defence industrial base and certainely wants some export customers.China aspires to become a weapon supolier to the world and by providing some cheap equipment it wants to sell as many defence equipment as possible...Pakistan is the only country which has expressed intrest in purchasing chinese defence equipments..US and West will not let other small countries which require defence equipmentslike subs/fighters etc to go into china's basket.Moreover these small nations can not afford to buy unproven equipments of chinese standards..China has only one potential buyer ie pakistan and pakistan can get all it needed from china in terms of soft loans..

 

[iby32]

One th8ng is funny chinese subs or other military hardware are tins and junks according to indians and if thats the case why not sooper dooper indian forces attack china

 

[RoadRunner401]

Benjamin David Baker is an editorial assistant at The Diplomat. He is currently serving as a reserve officer in the Norwegian Armed Forces and has previously worked and published at the International Law and Policy Institute and the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment. He received his Master of Arts from the Center for International Studies and Diplomacy at the School of Oriental and African Studies.


Master of Arts is writing about why China is selling Subs to Pakistan, clearly his back ground in Arts, make him an expert on military affairs and Chinese weapons sale or perhaps because he is Norwegian reserves qualifies him for that.

 

[Blue Marlin]

You didn't got me right. The Chinese wants to involved and contained India with the pakistan so he could considerate on her eastern boundries which is Tiwan, Japan, S. Korea backed by US in the region which have lot of disputes and its in more priority to be given. Now you have just posted the view of the author from some source which I don't think you have written which may be or maybe not or partially true in reality but what I see presently is the military deal involve the supply of the subs which gives the profit to the OEMs of the chinese origin and long lasting defense collaboration with some element of political and tactical gain in the indian continetal region. If the author thinks that supplying some subs gives PN an edge and deffinite parity over IN than I think that means the forcing the IN to increase its Anti Submarine capability and subsurface suveillance capability, which you can see as the part in the shape of P-8i.

china does not need to put much effort in to getting india busy with other matters. to china, tibet is apart of china period. india has problems with nearly all of its neighbors.

well you do have a point there if pakistan does increase its submarine fleet then it may push india to get a asw capability but it will also result in pakistan getting an aasw capability this could be in the form of jammers or bvraam's.

First China and Pakistan has 60 year old relationship that is why China is selling us these submarines. Than Pakistan needs much bigger Naval Force which includes lot of submarines to counter our beloved enemy India. Thirdly China is now also investing in CPEC for which they want our Arabian sea to be in our full control and no enemy dares to block it. Finally I would suggest China places 4 Type 54 Frigates and two Type 52D Destroyers at Gawader along with two nuclear submarines. Pakistan should also buy lot of Type 54 A Frigates from China as well as Cruise missile destroyers. I find this article stupid and hilarious and completely childish.

firstly i never questioned your relation ship with china so i suggest you change your tone. secondly it does make sense to acquire type 54a/b's-(anti air) type 52d's are out of the question.
pakistan is in the unique position to be a dominant figure on the arabian sea and it marine time borders are very close to the straight of hormuz.

 

[zebra7]

china does not need to put much effort in to getting india busy with other matters. to china, tibet is apart of china period. india has problems with nearly all of its neighbors.

Do you really think so. As a matter of fact he was sucessful in the past but not in present time when lot of countries wants India to play an important part in the south sea of china and how indians have been playing its cards in reply for the string of pearl policy in the form of reverse string of pearl.
And regarding the statement of india has problems with nearly all of its neighbors I can only say you much be coming out of some nowhere land. India have neighbour such as pakistan, china, afghanistan, nepal, bhutan, bangladesh, burma, srilanka, maldives, iran. Of these remove pakistan tell me how many countries have any border disputes and problems which you are saying. The history speaks India have never attacked any country in its 10,000 years of history. Now don't consider india only after 1947.

well you do have a point there if pakistan does increase its submarine fleet then it may push india to get a asw capability but it will also result in pakistan getting an aasw capability this could be in the form of jammers or bvraam's.

You need to read some books on defence. Antisubmarine tactics may include sonars, sensors based on space, maritime petrol and survellance aircraft, ships, distroyer, naval installations. Are you suggesting to jam them using jammer (never heard of sonar jammer), BVR ; for that the ships firing the bvr should have the superiority in the air above the sea but with the maritime Jaguar, Sea Harrier, Naval MKI, and mig 29K it looks no choise and by the way did you know that P8i could also be armed with air2ship weapons and torpedos.

firstly i never questioned your relation ship with china so i suggest you change your tone. secondly it does make sense to acquire type 54a/b's-(anti air) type 52d's are out of the question.
pakistan is in the unique position to be a dominant figure on the arabian sea and it marine time borders are very close to the straight of hormuz.

Thats the region which pakistan have the right to explore the natural resources like mining and pertrolium dwelling otherwise it is completely international free for the ships. The actual border is only 20km away from the sea.

 

[SipahSalar]

In short, china is firing a bullet from Pakistani Gun

No, China is giving Pakistan a gun.

 

[k_arura]

In short, china is firing a bullet from Pakistani Gun

The three most dangerous countries in the world in that order: China, Pakistan and N Korea. China is insidious while Pak is wily but stupid. NK is its own category. But both are pawns of China.

One th8ng is funny chinese subs or other military hardware are tins and junks according to indians and if thats the case why not sooper dooper indian forces attack china

Best to defeat your enemies without firing a weapon.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

One th8ng is funny chinese subs or other military hardware are tins and junks according to indians and if thats the case why not sooper dooper indian forces attack china

Because indian itself produces much more high tech military equipment than China does. india in fact imports no military hardware and is more scientifically and technologically advanced than China. india's economy is bigger and better than China's. That's why indians are in a position to criticize china.

 

[war&peace]

Well that is called true strategic partnership; to fight together against the common enemy.