US backtracks on arms deal with Turkey, denies transfer of warships

[Falcon29]

US Congress is full of republicans who pledge loyalty to foreign leader of Israel. And I mean literally. It's an very odd thing but if they prefer to ruin relations with every ally in ME just because one nation (which has the only modern day occupation) gets upset then so be it. They can go screw themselves. What a shameful government the American people have to live with.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Not new... U.S.A is not interested in transfer of technology with any ally for premium stuff. Their asset, Their Rule!!

 

[xxxKULxxx]

The Politics Of Not Transferring Ships To Turkey (Which Are Not Needed Anyway)

The Politics Of Not Transferring Ships To Turkey (Which Are Not Needed Anyway) |

The US Congress passed the Naval Vessel Transfer Act of 2013. With this act the President of USA is authorized to sell or to grant decommissioned US Navy warships to other countries.

Usually the US Congress passes one Naval Transfer Act (NTA) once or twice in every legislation. And in each NTA certain warships and their prospective recipients are mentioned. Please mind that NTA is simply an authorization of US President by the Congress to offer these warships. The NTA does not means that the received recipients will accept this offer at the end.

In previous Naval Transfers Act of years 2005, 2006, 2007, 2012 Turkey has been offered many ships from small mine hunters to large destroyers, by USA. And Turkey has not accepted any of these offers.

In previous Naval Transfers Act of years 2003, 2008 Turkey was not offered any warships.

I have a difficult time to understand the fuss around the omission of Turkey from Naval Transfer Act 2013. I guess some cheap politicians are trying to make some cheap gains by making something out of nothing.

But the inclusion of Turkey proved controversial, as members of Congress pointed out Turkey’s increasingly hostile stance toward Israel and its threats against natural gas exploration by American companies near Cyprus. “I believe we should hold off on sending powerful warships to Turkey and encourage the government in Ankara to take a less belligerent approach to their neighbors,” said Representative Eliot Engel during that debate.

But if the US lawmakers tried to give some kind of a signal to the Turkish government by not adding Turkey to the list of the nations that may get a frigate is beyond my understanding. But if they did; the message was not delivered as the medium is not the correct one. And what was the messages in year 2003 and 2008 where no warships have been offered to Turkey?

Anyway, I do not think that any ship that US is prepared to transfer to Turkey is not powerful compared to what Turkish Navy operates.

Below is a comparison chart between the Gabya/Perry class frigates operated by both navies:

Turkish frigates have more punch, better sensors and a up-to-date combat management system compared to their counterparts in US Navy service.

The only reason I can think, why Turkish Navy would want to have an old Perry class frigate from US Navy service is, to cannibalize it to provide spare parts to ours. But thank fully Perry class frigates are used besides USA, by Australia, Bahrain, Egypt, Pakistan, Poland, Spain, Turkey. Thus finding spare parts is not all to difficult.

As I have already told, the lack of the warships especially Perry class frigates from NTA 2013, will not have any effect on the Turkish Navy at all from a technical point of view. On the contrary, we do not have to spend money and man power which are also needed for our ongoing local warship production projects. USA might be transferring warships to its allies but the ships have to be overhauled in US shipyards as NTA dictates, which means the allies have to transfer money to USA.

Addition: >Turkish Navy rejects additional Perry class frigates |

 

[Targon]

Good news for our ongoing programs.

 

[Shabi1]

Wouldn't effect Turkey. But serious bad move from the US in the long term. Would severely undermine future sale prospects.

 

[Timur]

the so called friendship of USA

 

[Neptune]

GUYS LISTEN PLEASE:

Article is BS, all due respect to the OP. If you remember I have told a year ago that the Fleet Command already expressed their opinion to the government regarding future leasing of Perries. They said it a hundred times that they don't need that ship any more. Plus, 3,700-4,000 tonnes İstanbul-class frigate a.k.a TF-100 of MILGEM Project is ready for production. It'll be talked at today's SSİK (Defence Industry Executive Board).

The only thing that will replace Gabya-class guided missile frigates are the strategic assets that is TF-2000.

TF-100:

Good news for TF-2000 program.

Not much. US Senate is well aware that we don't need any further ships. 16 frigates are more than enough for now.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

US Congress is full of republicans who pledge loyalty to foreign leader of Israel. And I mean literally. It's an very odd thing but if they prefer to ruin relations with every ally in ME just because one nation (which has the only modern day occupation) gets upset then so be it. They can go screw themselves. What a shameful government the American people have to live with.

Somehow I don't think you have ever had the best interests of the American people in mind.

 

[Armstrong]

GUYS LISTEN PLEASE:

Article is BS, all due respect to the OP. If you remember I have told a year ago that the Fleet Command already expressed their opinion to the government regarding future leasing of Perries. They said it a hundred times that they don't need that ship any more. Plus, 3,700-4,000 tonnes İstanbul-class frigate a.k.a TF-100 of MILGEM Project is ready for production. It'll be talked at today's SSİK (Defence Industry Executive Board).

The only thing that will replace Gabya-class guided missile frigates are the strategic assets that is TF-2000.

TF-100:

Not much. US Senate is well aware that we don't need any further ships. 16 frigates are more than enough for now.

A 6000 tonne frigate (TF2000) !

Isn't that more in the destroyer category ?

 

[Neptune]

Last decisions such as LaWS, Gezgin LACM makes TF2000 a strategic platfrom. It is expected that the displacement might rise to 7,000 tonnes. Simply it's a guided missile destroyer. But however like all the European NATO navies, TNF likes to call it "Air Defense Frigate".


-Aselsan CAFRAD Multifunctional Phased Array Radar.
- APAR and 3D air surveillance radars.
-Havelsan GENESIS Combat management system
- MAR-D and AKR-D fire control radar
- Ares 2NS Electronic Support/Attack System
- ASELSAN torpedoes acoustic countermeasures and decoys
- GEZGİN land attack cruise missiles.
- RIM-156A SM-2 Block IV (Speed: Mach 3,5+, Range: 240 km, Ceiling: 110,000 ft)
- Hisar-A, Hisar-O Low/Medium altitude air defense system
- ASELSAN Korkut CIWS.
- LaWS (Laser Weapon System) currently being developed by Tübitak SAGE.
- ATMACA anti-ship missile.
- Shipborne vertical UAV/UCAV being developed by TAI/ASELSAN.

CAFRAD: 400 km (not certain)
MAR-D: 70 km
AKR-D: 30 km

Also APAR, X band satellite communication systems are under development by Aselsan.

The range of the armaments stationed aboard TF2000 will be:

Hisar-A: 15 km (15,000 ft) [SSDS]

Hisar-O: 40km (30,000 ft) [SSDS]

Korkut SPAAG/CIWS: 4-5 km [SSDS]

Atmaca AShM: 240 km

Gezgin LACM: 2,500 km

RIM-156A SM-2ER Block IV: 240 km (110,000ft)

Here's CAFRAD:

- Electronically Scanning IFF Antenna
- Multifunctional Radar
- Illumination Radar
- Long Range Radar
- Active Phased Array Radar.

Lasted public visible pic of TF2000:

With the acquisition of 4x TF-2000 class ships. Turkish Naval Forces will be the backbone of combined air defence:

@cabatli_53 bro can you update the specifications and the design of TF2000?

 

[T-123456]

Last decisions such as LaWS, Gezgin LACM makes TF2000 a strategic platfrom. It is expected that the displacement might rise to 7,000 tonnes. Simply it's a guided missile destroyer. But however like all the European NATO navies, TNF likes to call it "Air Defense Frigate".


-Aselsan CAFRAD Multifunctional Phased Array Radar.
- APAR and 3D air surveillance radars.
-Havelsan GENESIS Combat management system
- AKR-D fire control radar
- ASELSAN torpedoes acoustic countermeasures and decoys
- GEZGİN land attack cruise missiles.
- RIM-156A SM-2 Block IV (Speed: Mach 3,5+, Range: 240 km, Ceiling: 110,000 ft)
- Hisar-A, Hisar-O Low/Medium altitude air defense system
- ASELSAN Korkut CIWS.
- LaWS (Laser Weapon System) currently being developed by Tübitak SAGE.
- ATMACA anti-ship missile.
- Shipborne vertical UAV/UCAV being developed by TAI/ASELSAN.

Here's CAFRAD:

- Electronically Scanning IFF Antenna
- Multifunctional Radar
- Illumination Radar
- Long Range Radar
- Active Phased Array Radar.

Lasted public visible pic of TF2000:

With the acquisition of 4x TF-2000 class ships. Turkish Naval Forces will be the backbone of combined air defence:

@cabatli_53 bro can you update the specifications and the design of TF2000?

Shouldnt the nr be 8 TF-2000?

 

[Neptune]

Shouldnt the nr be 8 TF-2000?

It is 4+4. First batch will be integrated into our combined air defense system. Other four will be our strategic mission assets. Such as Overseas deployments, NATO missions, force projection. And most importantly they'll a part of the fleet that'll escort TCG Levent, CBG or AAG, time will tell.

Or simply, we'll use the last 4 to harasse the Egyptians, Greeks and Cypriots

 

[T-123456]

It is 4+4. First batch will be integrated into our combined air defense system. Other four will be our strategic mission assets. Such as Overseas deployments, NATO missions, force projection. And most importantly they'll a part of the fleet that'll escort TCG Levent, CBG or AAG, time will tell.

Or simply, we'll use the last 4 to harasse the Egyptians, Greeks and Cypriots

We should harasse Lahore Pakistan so that they hand him ( @Armstrong )over.

 

[SouI]

Last decisions such as LaWS, Gezgin LACM makes TF2000 a strategic platfrom. It is expected that the displacement might rise to 7,000 tonnes. Simply it's a guided missile destroyer. But however like all the European NATO navies, TNF likes to call it "Air Defense Frigate".


-Aselsan CAFRAD Multifunctional Phased Array Radar.
- APAR and 3D air surveillance radars.
-Havelsan GENESIS Combat management system
- AKR-D fire control radar
- ASELSAN torpedoes acoustic countermeasures and decoys
- GEZGİN land attack cruise missiles.
- RIM-156A SM-2 Block IV (Speed: Mach 3,5+, Range: 240 km, Ceiling: 110,000 ft)
- Hisar-A, Hisar-O Low/Medium altitude air defense system
- ASELSAN Korkut CIWS.
- LaWS (Laser Weapon System) currently being developed by Tübitak SAGE.
- ATMACA anti-ship missile.
- Shipborne vertical UAV/UCAV being developed by TAI/ASELSAN.

Here's CAFRAD:

- Electronically Scanning IFF Antenna
- Multifunctional Radar
- Illumination Radar
- Long Range Radar
- Active Phased Array Radar.

Lasted public visible pic of TF2000:

With the acquisition of 4x TF-2000 class ships. Turkish Naval Forces will be the backbone of combined air defence:

@cabatli_53 bro can you update the specifications and the design of TF2000?

What a range of radar they have... Why do we then seek special radars for air defense? We could get these radars and their rockets to use them also on the ground.

 

[Neptune]

What a range of radar they have... Why do we then seek special radars for air defense? We could get these radars and their rockets to use them also on the ground.

CAFRAD: 400 km (not certain)
MAR-D: 70 km
AKR-D: 30 km

Also APAR, X band satellite communication systems are under development by Aselsan.

The range of the armaments stationed aboard TF2000 will be:

Hisar-A: 15 km (15,000 ft) [SSDS]

Hisar-O: 40km (30,000 ft) [SSDS]

Korkut SPAAG/CIWS: 4-5 km [SSDS]

Atmaca AShM: 240 km

Gezgin LACM: 2,500 km

RIM-156A SM-2ER Block IV: 240 km (110,000 ft)

We seek special radars for air defense because air defense is a complex thing. You need different radars. For example: you need IFF Antenna to make sure you're an ally if being detected by an allied ship, or when you detect an aircraft you need to be able to differ it if he's Friend or Foe. You need guidance radars, navigation radars, whether radars...etc.