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Muslim sailors reached America before Colombus - Turkish President Erdogan

According to Hindu RSS/sangh .. America was discovered by hindus .. Indianapolis and red indians = india.. England comes from unglisthan,Mexico was also conquered by hindus.. And Christianity was started by Hindus and later it got diluted and so on.. Oh and Taj Mahal was a Rajput Temple .... Hindu God Ganeshs head was replaced by an elephants head thanks to plactic surgery and,Karan wasn't born from his mothers womb and that is because Hindus has mastered the art of genetic engineering and research.. Not to foget that aancient Hindus invented aeroplanes and nuclear bombs-- according to Indian PM and soon to be taught in indian schools..:lol:
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Renaissance happened due to fall of Constantinople.And if wealth is the logic behind science then what is stopping countries like Kuwait, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Brunei from investing in science?

What happened in India? Why ancient indian were so successful but not now?
 
Thank God, Hans did not reach there first, otherwise China would have claimed America belonged to them!!
 
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Written by : Ali Ibrahim
on : Wednesday, 19 Nov, 2014

Opinion: Erdoğan’s Rediscovery of America

We do not know what prompted Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to say, during his reception of a Latin American delegation, that he was certain that Muslims discovered North America 500 years before Christopher Columbus did. The Genoese explorer accidentally discovered the New World, thinking at the time that he had found a new route to Asia. He also mistakenly referred to its aboriginal inhabitants as Indians.

Erdoğan has a fiery temperament, which always puts him under the spotlight and is often visible in the way he reacts to events. But he is also skillful at making controversial statements that make headlines, something the media loves. Therefore, his comments about Muslims discovering America have spread rapidly across the global media, regardless of whether they truly reflect what he believes or were only meant to attract attention.

There aren’t many credible accounts of the Americas being discovered by Europeans or Middle Easterners before Columbus, or any reliable accounts of anyone crossing the vast Atlantic Ocean, previously known as the “Sea of Darkness” due to the common medieval belief that beyond it lay the edge of the world. But nothing can be ruled out, either. Perhaps others, including Muslims, reached the Americas one way or another before Columbus. Some narratives and evidence suggests the arrival of Scandinavian explorers hundreds of years before Columbus. But other than this, other stories remain mere tales which may or may not be based in fact. There is no point in saying that Muslims discovered America before Columbus, other than to express one’s wishful thinking.

Columbus worked for the Spanish Crown, which at the time was preoccupied with proselytization and religious warfare with the aim of promoting Catholicism. Spain made a huge fortune from the New World, whose aboriginal inhabitants were harmed (to say the least) by arrivals from the Old World. Their long isolation and lack of immunity to European viruses made them vulnerable to fatal diseases borne by passengers on ships from that part of the world.

Spain was obsessed with gold of which it amassed great quantities, making it the world’s richest empire for some time. It paid off its debts, but also squandered much of the newly acquired fortunes in waging religious war. While other rival colonial powers in Europe invested what they got from the New World into industry and trade, accumulating fortunes and becoming richer and more powerful, the country that funded the expedition did not benefit as much.

A lot of gold and silver came from the New World after Columbus’ discovery. But it is said that those food crops of the Americas that were previously unknown to Europeans were more valuable than gold. One such crop was the potato, cultivated on an extensive scale beginning in the 16th century. It is considered today the world’s fifth most important crop after wheat, rice, corn, and sugar cane. At one time this crop saved some European countries from famine. Tomatoes also came from the New World, among others.

The trade, cultivation and renewed production of such new crops must have made fortunes ten times as much as that of gold over the centuries. Given its ease of cultivation and long shelf-life, the potato crop played an important role in the Industrial Revolution as a staple food of new urban workers.

All of this has now passed into history, but we can draw valuable lessons by looking at who invested or squandered wealth, and which nations rose and fell. There is no point in attempting to rewrite history. History should be read as history, while what is important is to have a vision for the future, rather than indulging in retrospective searches for what has been lost. Civilizations are built by looking towards the future. And as the common proverb goes: what is past is dead and gone.

How to read history is among the problems of the Middle East, whose inhabitants are by nature fond of looking back to the past. The region is home to some of the most ancient civilizations in recorded history, the alphabet, and many branches of science. It is also the cradle of the three heavenly religions. Like all world civilizations, the region went through periods of ups and downs. But right now it has a problem as far as reading history is concerned. When they have confidence in themselves and their ability to build a better future, people read history to learn and benefit from the lessons of past nations, not to fight or obsess over chances missed centuries ago. America was discovered a long time ago, and an eventful history has passed in the interval during which maps have been redrawn and politics altered. History does not need to be rediscovered.

Ali Ibrahim is Asharq Al-Awsat's deputy editor-in-chief. He is based in London.



Written by : Abdulrahman Al-Rashed
on : Thursday, 20 Nov, 2014

Opinion: Erdoğan’s Sad Search for Past Glories

I’ve read a great deal of criticism by a number of Arab writers of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan for recently claiming during an Istanbul summit of Muslim leaders from Latin America that Muslim sailors, not Christopher Columbus, had discovered the Americas.

For me, and perhaps for many others, Erdoğan’s statement was highly entertaining. However, perhaps some others were likely to find it infuriating, if they suffer from inferiority complexes and blame Westerners or others for stealing everything, including the discoveries and accomplishments of Muslims! His statement may also subject him to the mockery of yet more groups, such as Arab intellectuals. Erdoğan was most probably addressing people at the level of their own intellectual capabilities by stripping all the positive characteristics of his rivals and ascribing them to himself.

Can dredging up the narrative of who discovered America change history? What’s certain is that it will not alter the present, as today there are certain nations at the forefront of our era, while others—such as ours—lag behind. What’s ironic is that as Erdoğan made that statement, the European Space Agency announced that their Rosetta spacecraft, which they launched 10 years ago, finally landed on a comet. The landing is the first of its kind. Imagine: a decade-long year journey to study a comet in the unknown reaches of space.

Can Erdoğan tell us what we were doing to ourselves in the past 10-year period? We saw the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri, the looting of dozens of cities, the murder of hundreds of thousands of people, and some dictators replaced by even worse ones.

By repeating the same kind of tales as Libya’s late Muammar Gaddafi, Erdoğan has gone from successfully overseeing a renaissance of his country’s fortunes to joining the ranks of political jesters and swindlers, all for the sake of satisfying an idle audience through taking credit for other people’s achievements. What Hazem Saghieh wrote in his article on political leaders’ confusion during disputes rings true in this case. Saghieh said these leaders tended to escalate political disputes by dragging in culture and history. Therefore, tactics are employed according to the needs of the moment.

Who discovered America? If by this we really mean to ask who were the first humans to set foot on the continent, then scientists will confirm that thousands of years ago there were neither Arabs nor Muslims there. If what is meant is an enquiry as to who conquered it, then Muslims may have arrived there later, just as other sailors who traversed the Atlantic Ocean arrived on its eastern shores—but this is of no consequence; no one is fighting over who discovered the rest of the Earth, because this is of no value and it’s nothing to take pride in. The United State is an extension of European civilization, which is the successor of previous civilizations.

Our false pride is not limited to history, making false claims about William Shakespeare’s origins, claiming to be the innovators of aviation, or aggrandizing our contributions in the fields of chemistry, physics and medicine, but also extends to PhD holders and researchers. Our reality will not change and we will continue to go backwards if we cling to a mentality that does not appreciate education and the sciences, and which takes pride in flaunting degrees and holding governmental posts.

Boasting about the past as Erdoğan is doing, and remaining static as religious fundamentalists do, is to exploit people’s frustrations and their inability to escape the rut they have been living in for centuries.

Erdoğan has the Turkish experiment, meaning he has the recent present to draw examples from instead of borrowing myths from the past. Where is the value in Muslims arriving on a hill in a land that is today known as Cuba if they had no role in its development?

Muslims’ relationship with America is symbolized by the lines they stand in to attain a visa from American consulates in order to escape their countries and governments and find a safe haven for their children, a job to make a living, hospitals to treat their illnesses, and universities to get an education. That is the modern reality.

Abdulrahman Al-Rashed is the general manager of Al-Arabiya television. He is also the former editor-in-chief of Asharq Al-Awsat, and the leading Arabic weekly magazine Al-Majalla. He is also a senior columnist in the daily newspapers Al-Madina and Al-Bilad. He has a US post-graduate degree in mass communications, and has been a guest on many TV current affairs programs. He is currently based in Dubai.
 
And you think muslims were not plagued by Crusades, Mongol invasion and reconquista.

I think the so-called muslim golden age is nothing but plagiarism. There never was any Arabic numeral, there were only Indian numerals. But the Arab traders, pre-Islamic era, carried this knowledge with them and when the Europeans came in contact with Arabs they creditem them with numerals. Similarly all mentioned inventions and discoveries were borrowed or copied from ancient Indian, pre-Islamic Iranian, Mesopotamian, Egyptian civilisations.

The crusades did not do much damage to Islam or Islamic countries. The mongols though massacred Iran and Baghdad Caliphate.
 
How about some insight from recent scientific studies and research. (Links in .txt file)
Let's also ponder over some wise words: "History is written by the victors who have hung the heroes." Sr.William Wallace
 

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i recently read article where researcher have found Arabic verse in America which were much older then Columbus's America discovery beside this coulombs took help from Arab sailor too if they didn't know about then why he had taken the help . so i think Erdogan might be true Muslim sailor first discover America.

The spirit of the people of Islam and China at that time to see more of the planet (certainly at that time the name of the planet have not heard) his residence in addition to expanding the influence, seek new trade routes and of course expand the message of Islam encourage some brave of them to traverse the area still considered to be dark in the maps they were then.

Some famous names remain so to this day almost everyone had heard him call it Tjeng Ho and Ibn Batutta, but a few more barely audible and recorded only in academic books.



Geographers and intellectuals from among the Muslims who recorded the journey to the Americas was Abul-Hassan Ali Ibn Al Hussain Al Masudi (died 957), Al-Idrisi (died 1166), Chihab Addin Abul Abbas Ahmad ibn Fadl al Umari (1300 - 1384) and Ibn Battuta (died 1369).

According to the historian and geographer al-Masudi Muslims (871-957), Ibn Saeed Ibn Aswad Khashkhash a Muslim navigator of Cordoba in Andalusia, had reached the Americas in the year 889 AD. In his book, 'Muruj Adh-dhahab Maadin wa al-Jawhar' (The Meadows of Gold and quarries of jewels), Al Masudi reported that during the reigns of the Spanish Caliph Abdullah Ibn Mohammed (888-912), Ibn Saeed Ibn Aswad Khashkhash sailed from Delba (Palos) in 889, crossed the Atlantic, reaching into uncharted territory which he called Ard Majhoola, and then returned with an amazing variety of treasures.

After that many cruises are done visiting the mainland across the Atlantic, a dark and foggy. Al Masudi also wrote the book 'Akhbar Az-Zaman' which includes historical material from wandering traders to Africa and Asia.




Dr. Mroueh Youssef also writes that during the reign of the caliph Abd al-Rahman III (929-961 years) of the Umayyad dynasty, recorded the existence of Muslims from Africa who also sailed from the port Delba (Palos) in Spain to the west toward the open sea, dark and foggy , Atlantic Ocean. They had returned with a value goods it received from a foreign land.

He also wrote notes historian Abu Bakr Ibn Umar Al-Gutiyya that during the reign of Caliph of Spain, Hisham II (976-1009) a navigator Ibn Farrukh of Granada called Kadesh was recorded leaving the port in February of 999 across the Atlantic Ocean and landed in ***** (Canary Islands).


Visit to King Ibn Farrukh Guanariga and then proceed to the west to see two islands and named Capraria and Pluitana. Ibn Farrukh returned to Spain in May 999.


Sailing across the Atlantic Ocean from Morocco noted also by Shaikh Zayn-sea explorers Eddin Ali bin Fadhel Al-Mazandarani. His ship was innocent of Tarfay in Morocco at the time of Sultan Abu-Yacoub Sidi Youssef (1286 - 1307) The sixth king in the dynasty Marinid. His ship landed on Green Island in the Caribbean Sea in the year 1291. According to Drs. Morueh, travel records to be referenced by many Islamic scholars.

Sultans of the empire of Mali in western Africa capital in Timbuktu, was also traveling alone to the American continent. Chihab historian Abul-Abbas Ahmad Addin ibn Fadl al Umari (1300 - 1384) detailed exploration of the geography of this carefully. Timbuktu is now forgotten, was once a center of civilization, libraries and scientific progress in Africa. Land and sea travel expedition done a lot of people into or originated from Timbuktu Timbuktu.

Sultan recorded wandered up to the new continent at the time was Sultan Abu Bakari I (1285 - 1312), brother of the Sultan Mansa Kankan Musa (1312 - 1337), who has made two expeditions across the Atlantic to the Americas and even down the river Mississippi.

Sultan Abu Bakari I do exploration in Central America and north along the Mississippi River with between the years 1309-1312. The explorer is in Arabic. Two centuries later, the discovery of America enshrined in the color map Piri Re'isi created in 1513, and presented to the king of the Ottoman Sultan Selim I in 1517. This map shows the western hemisphere, South America and even Antarctica, with a depiction of coastal Brazil are quite accurate.


Sequoyah, also known as George GIST Other evidence is that Columbus himself knew that the people Carib (Caribbean) are followers of the Prophet Muhammad. He ideology that Muslims have been there, especially those from the West Coast of Africa. They inhabit the Caribbean, North and South America. But unlike Columbus who wanted to dominate and enslave the American people. The Muslims came to trade and even some married native people.

Columbus further admitted on October 21, 1492 in a voyage between Gibara Coast and Cuba saw a mosque (standing on a hill with a beautifully written by other sources). Until now, the remains of the ruins of mosques have been found in Cuba, Mexico, Texas and Nevada.

And did you know? 2 person boat captain who led by Columbus captain Pinta and Nina are the Muslim people of the two brothers Martin Alonso Pinzon and Vicente Pinzon Yanex are still a family from Morocco Abuzayan Sultan Muhammad III (1362). [THACHER, John Boyd: Christopher Columbus, New York 1950]

And why only Columbus who until recently known as the inventor of the American continent? Since the time of the expulsion of Jews from Spain of 300,000 Jews by King Ferdinand of Christians, Jews and raising money for the voyage of Columbus and news 'discovery of America' was first posted by Christopher Columbus to his friends of the Jews in Spain.

Columbus's voyage seems hungry for publicity and is required to create a legend in accordance with the 'sponsored links' Jews of the funders. The rest of us know that the mass media and publications controlled by the Jews who even hated by people like Henry Ford's king of American car.





Thus there appears to be dishonesty in writing historical facts about the discovery of America. Misappropriation of history by the Jews that occurred since the first time they were together the Europeans set foot into the Americas.

And did you know? admiral Zheng He in fact or in Indonesia is better known as Admiral Cheng Ho is the inventor of the first American continent, about 70 years before Columbus.

About 70 years before Columbus stick its flag on the U.S. mainland, Admiral Zheng He had first come there. Participants in a seminar organized by the Royal Geographical Society in London some time ago made flabbergasted. Is an expert on submarines and historian named Gavin Menzies in his presentation and then received great attention.

Perform confidently, Menzies explained his theory about the famous voyages of sailors mahsyur from China, Admiral Zheng He (we know him Ceng Ho-ed). Together with the evidence found from the historical record, he then concluded that the sailors and master navigator of the Ming dynasty was the initial discoverer of the Americas, and instead of Columbus.



Even thought, Zheng He 'beat' Columbus with a span of about 70 years. Menzies stated what would make the furor over this world because people know that Columbus was the discoverer of the Americas at about the 15th century. Menzies' statement was corroborated by a number of historical evidence.

Is a map made in the days before Columbus started his expedition complete with images of America as well as an astronomical map of Zheng He's dosodorkannya as the evidence. Menzies became so convinced after examining the accuracy of historic objects.

Cherokee syllabary "is what should Laksana awarded the title as the first discoverer of the Americas," he said. Menzies made a study for over 14 years. This includes the study of ancient maps, artifacts and evidence of the technological development of modern astronomy through a software program such as Starry Night.

Of the key evidence that could change the flow of history, Menzies says that most of the navigation maps and written sources on the ancient Chinese Admiral Zheng He's voyages. Exploration to reach the American continent took the time between the years 1421 and 1423. Previous fleet of Zheng He sailed along the south path through Africa and to South America.




Description astronomical voyage of Zheng He roughly call, late at night when the stars look south around 18 March 1421, the location at the southern tip of South America. It is then reconstructed using Starry Night software by comparing a map of Zheng He's voyages.

"I am programmed to time in Starry Night in 1421 as well as parts of the world are estimated to have navigable expedition," said Menzies who is also the navigation expert and former submarine commander British navy. From here, he finally found two different locations thanks to the record of this voyage astronomy (star) Zheng He's expeditions.

Then there is movement in these stars, as well as the orientation of Earth's rotation in space. Due to the rotation of the earth is less than perfect to make the axis of the earth as if carved out a circle in the sky every 26 thousand years. This phenomenon, called precision, then each point of the polar targeting different stars during run time. Menzies uses software to reconstruct the position of the stars like in the year 1421.

"We already have a star map of the ancient Chinese calendar, but still need the map," said Menzies. As I was puzzling over this problem, suddenly discovered the solution. "With incredible luck, one of the goals they've been through, ie, between Sumatra and Dondra Head, Sri Lanka, heading west."

Part of the voyage was apparently very close to the equator in the Indian Ocean. As for the Polaris, the north star, and the southern star Canopus, which is close to the southern polar latitudes, on the map. "From there, we succeeded in determining the direction and location of Polaris. So then we can ensure the future of the map was the year of 1421, plus and minus 30 years. "

Sequoyah Upper findings, Phillip Sadler, navigation experts from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said the estimates by using old maps based on star positions is very possible. He also agreed that the estimated time of 30 years, as in the view of Menzies, also makes sense.


During this time, the world community knows gait explorer Zheng He as accomplished. He was born in Kunyang, a city located in southwest Yunnan Province, in the year 1371. His family named Ma, were part of a minority Semur. They came from Central Asia and embraced Islam.

Zheng He's father and grandfather had been known to make a pilgrimage to the Holy Land of Mecca. While Zheng He himself grew up with a lot of trips to a number of areas. He is a devout Muslim.

Yunnan is one of the last defense of the Mongols, which existed long before the Ming Dynasty. At the troop master Sun Yunan year 1382, Zheng He also captured and brought to Nanjing. When he was 11 years old.

Zheng He was used as a waitress crown prince who later became emperor named Yong Le. Now this emperor who gave the name of Zheng He until he finally became one of the most famous sea captains in the world.
Source: http://blognyajose.blogspot.com/2010/08/ternyata-islam-sudah-ada-di-amerika.html
 
Since Leif Erikson visited Amerika hundreds of years before columbus and there are viking ruins there this entire argument is nonsense. and by the was, nope muslims did not discover amerika.
 

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