The Algerian Armed Forces.

[Frogman]

We didn't.

France says Algeria supportive of its Mali operation| Reuters

Algeria has allowed France full use of its air space in its military intervention against Islamist rebels in Mali and is ready to seal its border if the conflict moves north, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Sunday.

Fabius said he was in regular contact with the government in Algeria, which had pushed for a political solution to the crisis in Mali over a military intervention, and was grateful it was being supportive of the operation.

"Algeria has authorized unlimited access to fly over its territory, something I thank the Algerian authorities for," Fabius told LCI television, as Rafale jets deployed from France pounded rebel strongholds in northern Mali.

"We talk regularly with Algeria. I must underline our collaboration, and what we envisage - although it's not for today - is that if the African troops move to the north, the Algerians would have to close their border," he said.

 

[Gabriel92]

France says Algeria supportive of its Mali operation| Reuters

They opened their airspace to our rafales,to strike terrorists,but we've never used Algeria's airspace to go to Mali. (Even if some persons say we did.)
As you can see in the pic i posted,we've used the Morocco's airspace.

 

[Frogman]

They opened their airspace to our rafales,to strike terrorists,but we've never used Algeria's airspace to go to Mali. (Even if some persons say the we did.)
As you can see in the pic i posted,we've used the Morocco's airspace.

I wrote:-

The French have recently used Algerian air space to strike insurgents in Mali.

 

[Gabriel92]

I wrote:-

And ?

 

[Frogman]

And ?

You basically said the same thing I did in my first post

 

[Gabriel92]

The French have recently used Algerian air space to strike insurgents in Mali.

They opened their airspace to our rafales,to strike terrorists,but we've never used Algeria's airspace to go to Mali.
As you can see in the pic i posted,we've used the Morocco's airspace.

 

[PRC2025]

What a very weak poor air force ! only 28 Su-30 MKA and 32 Mig-29 ?! this means they only have 28 modern fighters that are capable to engage western F-16 block 50+ and F-15 (older versions) fighters, the Algerian Mig-29 are old Sh#tty soviet versions with huge 15 square meters RC's, they have the Mig-29 version that has the worst record of being shot down especially in Iraq war, the upgraded old F-4 Phantom II is even better than the sh#tty soviet Mig-29's.

So now Algeria only has 28 Su-30's to rely on, such poor air force with no AWACS or dedicated electronic warfare planes can't even hurt a fly. also the air defense is poor and very old, Algeria has a very vast land area, 8 S-300 batteries can't cover it, and those 36 pantsir S-1 is just a short air defense system and can't protect them from high altitude air raids, the attacking planes will be equipped with missiles that can be fired more than 200 kilometes away from a pantsir S-1 battery

First of all, it's 44 Su-30 MKA, and not 28.

Source for this is Russian and confirmed delievered already in 2012. Eight of them delivered in 2011, and another 8 in 2012.

That's 28 + 8 + 8 = 44 Su-30 MKA

I quote:

Algeria received its second and final batch of eight Su-30MKI (A) fighters under the 2010 contract for 16 of the type; the first eight airframes had been delivered in 2011.

Another successful year | Авиатранспортное обозрение

Algeria har ordered another batch of another upgraded version of Su-30. Basically equal to Su-35.

There is also possibility in ordering a secondary role fighter to support Su-30/Su-35.

But before all this, the fastest thing coming Algerian way is S-400 SAM, which basically will double it's range from 200 KM to 400 KM.

S-400 deliveries are expected in 2016. Russia will even set up service centers for S-400 in Algeria, which is a very good thing.

I quote:

Russian air defense systems manufacturer Almaz-Antei is in talks over setting up service centers in Algeria, Vietnam, India and China.

TASS: Russia - Russia's latest air defense system S-400 licensed for export

Algerian air defence is definitely not old. S-300 PMU2 SAMs with Pantsir S-1 and S-400 soon to be exported to Algeria in 2016.

I reckon that French Terror state will be busy r-a-p-i-n-g some other African country as usual. Italy will be in recession this year by the way, according to IMF, and next year doesn't look good for you either. The same goes for France.

So I don't think Algeria has France or Italy to be afraid off for some time.

Algerian Air Force would operate under S-300 PMU2 (and soon to be S-400) cover, so the aircraft would have cover from the long-range SAMs.
Detection range of the S-300 PMU2 are also longer than it's firing range. These systems are able to shoot down "cruise missiles".

When supported by Pantsir S-1, it is something called a "multi-layered" air defence. Whatever S-300 PMU2 is not able to engage, it's Buk, or Pantsir's job to fix the problem as the enemy missile approaches.

Bring "your" Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier with 15 Rafale, and we'll see how it goes, mate.

A small detailed advice though. You need to engage and find out where 4 Algerian Kilo SSK are first. I hear Kilos like to r-a-p-e French ships, so it's gonna be a cool ride for Charles the Man. Be sure to bring your "escort ships" with that 15-Rafale-aircraft-carrier of yours.

Oh, and another 2 Kilos are on order for 2016-2017 delivery, so you need to hurry up, mate. Also frigates from Germany and corvettes from China are on its way next year.

It took France, Italy and the rest, only SEVEN months to defeat Libya by air and naval power, even if you had Islamic extremists on the ground as NATO allies as well.

So can't wait for Pizza to do an attempt to try to stop by for some delivery in Algiers, but don't expect any tip, or cheese/wine welcome party.

 

[Ceylal]

it really isnt
it has some 85+ fighter jets many of them like the the mig-25 and su-24 are old
the mig-29 and su-30s are the only fighters that have some potential
these fighters are not supported by any awac
all the equipment is foreign
compare that to

Your country's air force is more than welcome to tangle with those old migs...

What a very weak poor air force ! only 28 Su-30 MKA and 32 Mig-29 ?! this means they only have 28 modern fighters that are capable to engage western F-16 block 50+ and F-15 (older versions) fighters, the Algerian Mig-29 are old Sh#tty soviet versions with huge 15 square meters RC's, they have the Mig-29 version that has the worst record of being shot down especially in Iraq war, the upgraded old F-4 Phantom II is even better than the sh#tty soviet Mig-29's.

So now Algeria only has 28 Su-30's to rely on, such poor air force with no AWACS or dedicated electronic warfare planes can't even hurt a fly. also the air defense is poor and very old, Algeria has a very vast land area, 8 S-300 batteries can't cover it, and those 36 pantsir S-1 is just a short air defense system and can't protect them from high altitude air raids, the attacking planes will be equipped with missiles that can be fired more than 200 kilometes away from a pantsir S-1 battery

Same invitation, send your country's air force to tangle with these old migs...They are so old that gunner has a box of grenade to drop by hand during bombing raids.

hahahah?!?! that's all you got ?! go to sleep kid. go learn about the combat record of the Mig-29.... oh sorry. i mean go learn about the "free falls record" of the Mig-29

Free fall record? Name one piloted by a Russian or name one piloted by an Algerian...

 

[Ceylal]

First of all, i know about the older Mig-25 and Su-24's , but what are theses old soviet toys going to do against let's say in any future conflict with France, what are these thing going to do against the Mirage 2000's and Rafale's ?!

Nothing, The Mig 25 after consulting with the Su-24, will decide to send the SU 30, while 24 and the 25 are sharing a 33 and smoking a habano.

Second, Mig25 can never be updated to Mig-31's ! this is bullsht, they are totally different planes and different frames ! where's your sources of all the bullsht you mentioned ?!

They are two different planes, for different roles...MIG 25 is a better plane .
Oh, another Wikipedia fan...And I thought the only one with a membership, was Elhassani...Now we have two.

 

[Ceylal]

Algeria operates a (relatively) small air force, however, it is rugged and smart. It is also sufficient to deter all immediate neighbours and is capable of long range strikes, albeit against nations with almost zero defensive capabilities.

You are sure of yourself?
In the MENA, region they are two air forces that can match the best of the Western world in training hours, technology, experience, firepower, long reach, are the Algerian Air force and the IDF. And in Africa, Algerian Air force has no match.

The Su-24MK is a useful strike air craft suitable for flying under enemy radar and delivering precision guided munitions and if the reported contract for the Su-34 is true then the Su-24MK should be in line for decommission. The MiG-25 is an ageing interceptor which I believe will be retired when their new Su-30s arrive.

The SU24 has been given, just recently, another 20 years life, even with the arrival of the SU 34, the SU24 won't be shelfed. Same goes for the MIG-25. By comparison, the US B52 and U2 are a lot more older than the Algerian 25, and the US planned to keep them for a longer time, because their role hasn't found a replacement yet.

The French are allies, they will not attack Algeria. The French have recently used Algerian air space to strike insurgents in Mali.

Algeria is not an ally or an ennemi of France, and France has not used Algerian air space for her Malian Operation, and I doubt that France even asked Algeria. I think Algeria's help was of a different nature.

It is not an air force to be underestimated or trifled with.

words of wisdom.

France says Algeria supportive of its Mali operation| Reuters

Supportive...the key word.

 

[Zarvan]

You are sure of yourself?
In the MENA, region they are two air forces that can match the best of the Western world in training hours, technology, experience, firepower, long reach, are the Algerian Air force and the IDF. And in Africa, Algerian Air force has no match.


The SU24 has been given, just recently, another 20 years life, even with the arrival of the SU 34, the SU24 won't be shelfed. Same goes for the MIG-25. By comparison, the US B52 and U2 are a lot more older than the Algerian 25, and the US planned to keep them for a longer time, because their role hasn't found a replacement yet.


Algeria is not an ally or an ennemi of France, and France has not used Algerian air space for her Malian Operation, and I doubt that France even asked Algeria. I think Algeria's help was of a different nature.


words of wisdom.


Supportive...the key word.

Egyptian is better in Air Force and now they are getting F-16 upgraded looking to get Mig 29 and 35 and there is news off Rafale too

 

[Frogman]

You are sure of yourself?
In the MENA, region they are two air forces that can match the best of the Western world in training hours, technology, experience, firepower, long reach, are the Algerian Air force and the IDF. And in Africa, Algerian Air force has no match.

You're simply believing your own hype here.

In terms of training hours, you're operating Soviet/Russian aircraft which by their rugged nature have a shorter service life, meaning less time for pilots on the aircraft to extend the period till the aircraft requires an overhaul in Russia. The same goes for the Russian engines.

In terms of technology, the AAF still lacks dedicated AWAC, ELINT, and maritime patrol aircraft. This leaves the AAF at a massive disadvantage in both offensive and defensive action against a well equipped enemy with sophisticated airborne command and control/battle management aircraft (AWAC) which can also carry out reconnaissance and gather intelligence via signals or electronics (ELINT).

In terms of experience, you lag behind the two established air forces in the region (obviously) and you are not as active at home or overseas conducting large scale joint exercises, these are vital part in gaining experience, updating tactics, and increasing interoprability with allies and/or friendly nations.

The AAF does pack a hefty punch and does have the ability to strike at long ranges. However, at long ranges it can not engage an enemy with a sophisticated air defence network or air force, or both. Without AWAC, conducting SEAD missions or taking on opposing fighters with their own EW dedicated aircraft will leave the AAF with a nightmare situation.

It's incredibly arrogant to state that the AAF has no match in Africa and is comparable to the IDFAF considering the capabilities and prowess of other forces in the region which exceed or far exceed those of the AAF. Air Forces such as the EAF, SAAF, and the UAEAF.

The SU24 has been given, just recently, another 20 years life, even with the arrival of the SU 34, the SU24 won't be shelfed. Same goes for the MIG-25. By comparison, the US B52 and U2 are a lot more older than the Algerian 25, and the US planned to keep them for a longer time, because their role hasn't found a replacement yet.


Source: THE ALGERIAN ARMY | Page 79

No, an overhaul of an aircraft will not give it another 20 years life, unless you're flying it once a week. The overhaul will at most give you another 5-7 years of extensive service considering IAF MiG-25s which when delivered in 1985 had a 15 year service life and underwent service life extension programs in 1995, 2001, and 2005. They were then retired from service in 2006.

You can not compare the service life of a strategic bomber and spy plane to that of a fighter, they are completely different beasts.

This comparison crap ends here. Bloody Johnson swingers.

 

[Ceylal]

Egyptian is better in Air Force and now they are getting F-16 upgraded looking to get Mig 29 and 35 and there is news off Rafale too

I am not saying that the EAF is not a force to be taken lightly or her pilots to be underestimated. At this time, AAF is still reigning the African skies.

 

[Mosamania]

I am not saying that the EAF is not a force to be taken lightly or her pilots to be underestimated. At this time, AAF is still the reigning the African skies.

Can you make a formal comparison between the two with actual aircraft inventory of both nations, all of them? You are making a claim and thus you need to back up your claim to be taken seriously. Present your case and tell us why you believe so.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I am not saying that the EAF is not a force to be taken lightly or her pilots to be underestimated. At this time, AAF is still the reigning the African skies.

My dear friend, leave the sophisticated details of air-fighters or even entire air forces. Getting your brain to try to understand such things make it simply stop working and yet you start saying uncanny stuff such as this post. My advice to you my friend is to stop overloading your head, it already reaches it's limit at work.

For starters, I guess you can try comparison from the foundation level:

Algerian Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Egyptian Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia