Philippines Defence Forum

[C130]

COIN shouldn't be the topic of modernization. Should be on long-range/high endurance maritime reconnaissance platforms. The Philippine should invest on.

Triton sounds like the thing they need, but no way they can afford it.

 

[Aepsilons]

decommissioned and refurbished maybe, but brand new? not a chance

We also have the ShinMaywa PS-1, which was designed as an Anti-Submarine platform, but technically can also be used for search and rescue. The Philippines could do well with this.

The ShinMaywa PS-1 is also financially more feasible for the Philippines, imho.

Triton sounds like the thing they need, but no way they can afford it.

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This is unrealistic for the Philippines right now, what they need immediately is a greater number of attack fighters, tactical fighters. In addition to this, they need an SSM platform, AAMs.

 

[Ayan81]

Triton sounds like the thing they need, but no way they can afford it.

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i question myself several times, countries who has much worse economy than us have better military.

triton/ cmon man its to pricey.

a 500 million investment on anti air and anti surface missile is doable but until now, nothing. why? god only knows why

 

[Cossack25A1]

The MQ-1 Predator would be possible though I think it is still expensive.

 

[Aepsilons]

i question myself several times, countries who has much worse economy than us have better military.

triton/ cmon man its to pricey.

a 500 million investment on anti air and anti surface missile is doable but until now, nothing. why? god only knows why

I admire the Filipino people and culture, but one thing they need to truly amend is the culture of political pork barreling, and corruption when it comes to defense expenditure. So long as the Philippine Defense Department continues a culture of gifting their generals with millions of pesos on their retirement, the culture of corruption will continue.

 

[Ayan81]

I admire the Filipino people and culture, but one thing they need to truly amend is the culture of political pork barreling, and corruption when it comes to defense expenditure. So long as the Philippine Defense Department continues a culture of gifting their generals with millions of pesos on their retirement, the culture of corruption will continue.

every military procurement has some kind of corruption going on its not only common for us, but the real problem is on the side of the government, our's is a reactive kind they only do $hit when the $hit is already there/over. take for instance haiyan..

no president has the guts to eliminate pork barrel system, PAST, FUTURE, PRESENT

 

[Aepsilons]

every military procurement has some kind of corruption going on its not only common for us, but the real problem is on the side of the government, our's is a reactive kind they only do $hit when the $hit is already there/over. take for instance haiyan..

no president has the guts to eliminate pork barrel system, PAST, FUTURE, PRESENT

This is truly saddening to hear. Can you expand on the reasons for its perpetuity ?

Salamat po.

 

[Ayan81]

This is truly saddening to hear. Can you expand on the reasons for its perpetuity ?

Salamat po.

First of all what is pork barrel - it is the appropriation of the government for the funding of localized projects.
It was introduce in the early years (1900's) of the republic when the reach of the government is still not in full effect.

Fast forward, Presidents use pork barrel to control / gather support of the congress or just to strengthen his power base. its a numbers game. For the legislators it is were they can pocket money from those funded projects (roads, schools, ports etc.). if your not in the administration block its sure your pork will be delayed.

For me, pork system is already outdated and needs to be abolished. but in order for that to happen the congress must vote for it first crazy right?. another revolution? i doubt it, we filipinos are jaded for another EDSA. the last time i took the revolution path is in EDSA 2, we dethroned a womanizing, gambling, corrupt pres for a much more worse scum

How does japan allocate its funds?

 

[Cossack25A1]

This is truly saddening to hear. Can you expand on the reasons for its perpetuity ?

Salamat po.

The shortest would be is that it was one of the legacy America left behind. The other is that they (Congress and Senate) use it to fund their "local projects" although the said "projects" seem to involve their mansions and vacation houses.

It was said that Pork Barrel system have been removed during the Marcos era, specifically in 1973 when a new constitution was drafted although it was replaced by crony system and pork barrel may have been likely masked and the current pork barrel was re-established when the 1987 constitution was drafted.

 

[Aepsilons]

First of all what is pork barrel - it is the appropriation of the government for the funding of localized projects.
It was introduce in the early years (1900's) of the republic when the reach of the government is still not in full effect.

Fast forward, Presidents use pork barrel to control / gather support of the congress or just to strengthen his power base. its a numbers game. For the legislators it is were they can pocket money from those funded projects (roads, schools, ports etc.). if your not in the administration block its sure your pork will be delayed.

For me, pork system is already outdated and needs to be abolished. but in order for that to happen the congress must vote for it first crazy right?. another revolution? i doubt it, we filipinos are jaded for another EDSA. the last time i took the revolution path is in EDSA 2, we dethroned a womanizing, gambling, corrupt pres for a much more worse scum

Thank you for the explanation , pare @Ayan81.

The shortest would be is that it was one of the legacy America left behind. The other is that they (Congress and Senate) use it to fund their "local projects."

It was said that Pork Barrel system have been removed during the Marcos era, specifically in 1973 when a new constitution was drafted although it was replaced by crony system is still there and was re-established when the 1987 constitution was drafted.

I agree, I don't know why the Republic of the Philippines that was founded on 1946 didn't keep the Meritocracy culture that was espoused by Philippine President Jose P. Laurel.

 

[Ayan81]

Thank you for the explanation , pare @Ayan81.

Want to learn more Evolution of the Pork Barrel System in the Philippines | University of the Philippines System Website
Does Japan has similar system like ours in allocating funds in their prefecture/regions?

 

[Aepsilons]

Want to learn more Evolution of the Pork Barrel System in the Philippines | University of the Philippines System Website
Does Japan has similar system like ours in allocating funds in their prefecture/regions?

Maraming Salamat for the link, I'll have to read more into this.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Thank you for the explanation , pare @Ayan81.



I agree, I don't know why the Republic of the Philippines that was founded on 1946 didn't keep the Meritocracy culture that was espoused by Philippine President Jose P. Laurel.

Since the question mentions Pres. Jose P. Laurel, the main reason was most likely an act of revanchism.

 

[Aepsilons]

Since the question mentions Pres. Jose P. Laurel, the main reason was most likely an act of revanchism.

I remember reading about the lives of the early presidents such as Quezon, Laurel, Magsaysay who were renowned as ideologues, all three being politicians by training and art. I do wish that our friends in the Philippines can revert back to the meritocracy culture that was common during the early phase of the Philippine Republic. This is afterall the land of noble men such as Dr. Jose Rizal, one of the early fathers of Democracy in Asia.

 

[Cossack25A1]

I remember reading about the lives of the early presidents such as Quezon, Laurel, Magsaysay who were renowned as ideologues, all three being politicians by training and art. I do wish that our friends in the Philippines can revert back to the meritocracy culture that was common during the early phase of the Philippine Republic. This is afterall the land of noble men such as Dr. Jose Rizal, one of the early fathers of Democracy in Asia.

With the current politicians and their descendants as well as showbiz actors and actresses running for political positions, it is somewhat impossible now specially since the local populace would rather place their votes on people that are renowned due to their political name or showbiz stint rather than those who are competent.