Should we make a Petition to change the Devanagari script of Bangla!?

[The Snow Queen]

nashk looks awesome......i like this style.

Yep, the Quran is in Naskh. But there is a difference between Nastaliq and Naskh... There are more alphabets in Persian than in Arabic. Eg. there is no P in Naskh but sometimes they borrow the "pe" from Nastaliq.

 

[baajey]

Yep, the Quran is in Naskh. But there is a difference between Nastaliq and Naskh... There are more alphabets in Persian than in Arabic. Eg. there is no P in Naskh but sometimes they borrow the "pe" from Nastaliq.

Well then my suggestion is keep naskh n import the rest (for eg "pe") from others....
Cheers to ur endeavours ....

 

[cloud_9]

And it has nothing to do with being Arab/Persian/Afghan or inferiority complex.

And if you think all our people look like Bangladeshi cricket team then you are wrong because they all from villages where most people are malnourished, poor and they do look different from people living in cities who are middle class and upper class. My grandfather was a Pashtun born in Pakistan and also studied there. My grandma is a Choudhury and she has Turkic/Iranian background.

What the relation here?

Never knew Chaudhry's were Turkic/Iranian
Where is the resident Chaudhry Razpak or was he a Jatt

 

[INDIC]

What the relation here?

Never knew Chaudhry's were Turkic/Iranian
Where is the resident Chaudhry Razpak or was he a Jatt

Don't you know 55% Bangladeshis have Arab, Persian and Turkish ancestry, 15% are mixed and remaining 30% converted from Buddhism. @Md Akmal

 

[khair_ctg]

Firstly, I don't really appreciate, this particular action of trying to hijack a question which is directed to someone else..

Secondly, even if you do, you come up with the answer first.

Thirdly, do you normally make such assumptions before talking to people or is this a special case?

Fourthly, what will be your answer, if the same question is asked to you?

you should've taken it as a comment to your question to someone else.

the change is necessary because this current form of writing Bangla was a Hindu practise. and whether it was intentionally imposed on Muslims is not as important as the fact it did replace Muslim writing practise in Farsi and Urdu. historically, when Muslims would want to write something in their *own* language, they would do so using Farsi, Urdu and Arabic (the latter mostly as a spiritual language). if they wanted to write in Bengali, they would have to learn and write in the Bengali-of-Hindus. because the Bengali-of-Muslims (Nastaliq Bangla) was not very mature or not fully standardized, as far as i have learned. therefore the predominant written languages of Bengal Muslims were Farsi and Urdu, rather than Nastaliq-Bangla. however, some of these same Muslims would use the Musalman Bangla only for speaking and it was characterized like this:

a jargon which a Hindu will probably not understand. for only the pronouns and verbs are Bengali. and the rest Urdu. Persian. and Arabic ... This is the language to which Moulavi Abdul Karim Saheb characterises as "a kind of Bengali' which the "agriculturalists speak."

Musalmani Bangla and its transformation | Page 10

. the fact that the written languages associated with Bengal Muslims were Farsi, Urdu and Arabic only (and not Nastaliq Bangla as well) may be because of the high illiteracy of people who could potentially patronize the development of a Nastaliq Bangla. so the way Muslims established some Indo-Aryan languages in Nastaliq/Shahmukhi was incomplete in Muslim Bengal. the way i see it, Nastaliq Bangla should be promoted more to fill in the incomplete heritage of Bengali language overall, and it will only enrich the Bengali language and make us acknowledge its rich history.

only people who are intolerant of subcontinental Muslim heritage co-existing side by side with Indic or Vedic heritage would blindly detest this

 

[nForce]

you should've taken it as a comment to your question to someone else.

the change is necessary because this current form of writing Bangla was a Hindu practise. and whether it was intentionally imposed on Muslims is not as important as the fact it did replace Muslim writing practise in Farsi and Urdu. historically, when Muslims would want to write something in their *own* language, they would do so using Farsi, Urdu and Arabic (the latter mostly as a spiritual language). if they wanted to write in Bengali, they would have to learn and write in the Bengali-of-Hindus. because the Bengali-of-Muslims (Nastaliq Bangla) was not very mature or not fully standardized, as far as i have learned. therefore the predominant written languages of Bengal Muslims were Farsi and Urdu, rather than Nastaliq-Bangla. however, some of these same Muslims would use the Musalman Bangla only for speaking and it was characterized like this:

a jargon which a Hindu will probably not understand. for only the pronouns and verbs are Bengali. and the rest Urdu. Persian. and Arabic ... This is the language to which Moulavi Abdul Karim Saheb characterises as "a kind of Bengali' which the "agriculturalists speak."

Musalmani Bangla and its transformation | Page 10

. the fact that the written languages associated with Bengal Muslims were Farsi, Urdu and Arabic only (and not Nastaliq Bangla as well) may be because of the high illiteracy of people who could potentially patronize the development of a Nastaliq Bangla. so the way Muslims established some Indo-Aryan languages in Nastaliq/Shahmukhi was incomplete in Muslim Bengal. the way i see it, Nastaliq Bangla should be promoted more to fill in the incomplete heritage of Bengali language overall, and it will only enrich the Bengali language and make us acknowledge its rich history.

only people who are intolerant of subcontinental Muslim heritage co-existing side by side with Indic or Vedic heritage in the subcontinent would blindly detest this

ahh... well..so you dislike Bangla script, because its roots can be traced back to the Hindus, right?..

So, going by that logic of yours, you should not be using Bangla language at all, isn't it ? Can you speak Bangla btw?

Also, a corollary to that will be writing English in Arabic script, or is your fanaticism limited to Hindus only?

Well, in that case, stop using your computer.After all, it runs on either Intel or AMD processor.If it is Intel, it is an iterative development of the Pentium chip.If it is AMD, it is an iterative development of the K6.Vinod Dham, an Indian and a Hindu is considered to be the father of both of them....
I can give you a list of things you should stop using, but thats for starters..

 

[khair_ctg]

ahh... well..so you dislike Bangla script, because its roots can be traced back to the Hindus, right?..

part of subcontinental Muslims in their lineage and culture can trace back their roots to Hindus or other Dharmic people or even Animists. whether we are talking about Urdu or Nastaliq-Bangla (or even the subcontinental Farsi) they still contain those roots. i don't dislike the Bangla script in its use and existence either in BD or in Calcutta. so you never saw me calling for complete ban of a script. it's great that it has a great domain in Calcutta. i just dislike it's overarching role in BD and its unfortunate use by Hindus as a tool to suppress Muslim linguistic heritage.

Also, a corollary to that will be writing English in Arabic script, or is your fanaticism limited to Hindus only?

Well, in that case, stop using your computer.After all, it runs on either Intel or AMD processor.If it is Intel, it is an iterative development of the Pentium chip.If it is AMD, it is an iterative development of the K6.Vinod Dham, an Indian and a Hindu is considered to be the father of both of them....
I can give you a list of things you should stop using, but thats for starters..

writing English in Persian-Arabic is not even an issue, because Muslims of Bengal hardly contributed to the development of English as their own language.

fanaticism is only coming from you. because it is only you who is supporting the long suppression of Nastaliq writing in this part of the world starting from the displacement of Farsi during colonization. it is you who hates anything to do with subcontinental Muslim culture.

 

[INDIC]

Bengali Script

• Brāhmī
  • Gupta
    • Siddhông (Siddhaṃ)
      • Bengali alphabet

Devanagari Script

• Brāhmī
  • Gupta
    • Nāgarī
      • Devanāgarī

 

[Saiful Islam]

ahh... well..so you dislike Bangla script, because its roots can be traced back to the Hindus, right?..

So, going by that logic of yours, you should not be using Bangla language at all, isn't it ? Can you speak Bangla btw?

Also, a corollary to that will be writing English in Arabic script, or is your fanaticism limited to Hindus only?

Well, in that case, stop using your computer.After all, it runs on either Intel or AMD processor.If it is Intel, it is an iterative development of the Pentium chip.If it is AMD, it is an iterative development of the K6.Vinod Dham, an Indian and a Hindu is considered to be the father of both of them....
I can give you a list of things you should stop using, but thats for starters..

If it wasn't for Al Kawarizmi none of that stuff would be here. So you might as well not use any electronic device lmao.

 

[Saiful Islam]

I personally am not bothered about the script, I only speak Bengali and see it as a upper hand as it is a quite distinct from languages such as Hindi and Urdu which sound exactly the same. My friends think the Bengali language (Sylheti especially as it sounds very rough) sounds funny but I see it as advantageous because they don't understand me.

So many Bengali scholars gave great contributions to languages such as Bengali, Urdu and Persian. In fact it was a Bengali who translated Sahih Bukhari into Urdu and also Kitab Ut Tawhid, I think. Leader of Hathazari Madrassa, Shafi Ahmed wrote many books in Urdu in his early days. There are so many Arabic/Persian words in day to day Bangla and I'm not talking about the common Persian vocab but ones we'd never thought were loan words. It's understandable that the Indians, the people of West Bengal specifically are thinking, hey, Bengali is Bengali...Then you are in for big shock.

People think Urdu is the language of Pakistan, but it is the language of Muslims in the subcontinent. Most Bayaans/Waz/Milad Sharif/Mehfils whatever you want to call it, they're still partially held in Bangla and Urdu. My aunty acquired a new house and for that we had a Milad Sharif, the Bangladeshi Huzur made dua in Bangla and then suddenly made a switch to Urdu.

 

[khair_ctg]

Bengali Script

• Brāhmī
  • Gupta
    • Siddhông (Siddhaṃ)
      • Bengali alphabet

Devanagari Script

• Brāhmī
  • Gupta
    • Nāgarī
      • Devanāgarī

most of the Sanskrit- or Brahmi- derived scripts have been interchangeably called Devanagari by many. so for this formal Bengali script we should use "Brahmi" instead ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Bengali Script

• Brāhmī
  • Gupta
    • Siddhông (Siddhaṃ)
      • Bengali alphabet

Devanagari Script

• Brāhmī
  • Gupta
    • Nāgarī
      • Devanāgarī

Brahmi sounds equally bad for them, I guess. If not worse.

 

[Imran Khan]

more better option ? use english

 

[Al-zakir]

United Pakistan government tried and failed due to Tagore loving Islamic named fasiq murtids. We had our chance to be different from Indian after 47 but we screwed up. We deserved to be ruled by Hindus.

 

[INDIC]

If it wasn't for Al Kawarizmi none of that stuff would be here. So you might as well not use any electronic device lmao.

That's not true, Al Khwarizmi learnt earlier Algebra of Indian mathematician Brahmagupta who's work was translated into Arabic as SindHind.

most of the Sanskrit- or Brahmi- derived scripts have been interchangeably called Devanagari by many. so for this formal Bengali script we should use "Brahmi" instead ?

I have never heard such nomenclature. Devanagari is used for few languages of India and Nepal but Devanagari is not used for Bengali language.