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China harvest Diamond and Petroleum from Angola ...
while they cannot get any Petroleum from Vietnam, you know ...

What happen, when they cause Angola resources exhauted ?

Actually, Vietnam specialists have been training Angola farmers for years of growing rices.
That helps them to get food by themselve

And help Angola to recover the Coffee industry
 
How do you know that those pictures are related with this case.....? Are you a member of Independence Investigation commission set up several years ago.....? where this commission can not verify those claims from the mouths of some people....

If someone doesnt do killing or raping...and then being accused to do those thing....the sin for the deliverer is more than killing some one...according to my religion Islam.....

Any bloody pictures are easy to be taken if we work as a forensic doctor ...but the question is not whether the picture are real or not...but does it has the relationship with the case that we are talking now...?
Save ur time, bro.

Those bloody pics not first time showed here, Chinese living in PRC,TaiWan,HongKong,Singapore,Thailand,Malaysia,oversea Chinese community all saw them.
Today these bloody Indonesia riots pics had opened for public by China official medias & websites in mainland of China,so i think more Chinese saw. At least 99.9% Chinese believe they r TURE, and they remeber what the hell happened to Indonesian-Chinese in 1998 riots and Bestial Acts to Indonesian-Chinese girl victims.


I don't think the Independence Investigation commission can give out a satisfactory result, murders who behind it will not get the final trial. Strictly speaking, the 1998 riot belong to ur political incident, and those victims of Indonesian-Chinese just r sheep. I can understand nobody wanna mention it or record it in ur history, too shy to speak out.
 
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Save ur time, bro.

Those bloody pics not first time showed here, Chinese living in PRC,TaiWan, HongKong,Singapore,Thailand,Malaysia,oversea Chinese community all saw them.
Today these bloody Indonesia riots pics had opened for public by China official medias & websites in mainland of China,so i think more Chinese saw. At least 99.9% Chinese believe they r TURE, and they remeber what the hell happened to Indonesian-Chinese in 1998 riots and Bestial Acts to Indonesian-Chinese girl victims.


I don't think the Independence Investigation commission can give out a satisfactory result, murders who behind it will not get the final trial. Strictly speaking, the 1998 riot belong to ur political incident, and those victims of Indonesian-Chinese just r sheep.

Of course any trial is not really important to get the data....because it can be difficult to find the raper and murderer....but at least by looking from police and forensic data from those 1-3 days in Mei 1998...it can be easily conducted.

For your information...we have many enemies....Many people hate Islam like in USA Tea Party Movement and Israel.....They wanted to discredit us....It can be so easy for them to make it. I hope your government tried to make some contact with our Independence Commission team to clarify it before releasing the website.
 
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@Daniel808

U know, 4 years ago i ever visited a beautiful vacational village with my family in HaiNan, official name is "Hainan overseas Indonesian-Chinese farm" in HaiNan,XingLong.

It should be a Indonesian-Chinese farm, but now these Return-Chinese build a Southeast Asian vacational village here. They told me these Indonesian-Chinese was back to China during 60s,80s and 90s from Indonesia, besides HaiNan in GuangDong and FuJian province also have some Indonesian-Chinese farms.
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In HaiNan, XingLong town there'r many Indonesian-Chinese living here.
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1st groups of Indonesian-Chinese back to HaiNan,XingLong
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Have to say, I always associate 1998 massacre on Chinese with Indonesia, I don't want deceive myself, It is said that about 10 thousand chinese was victim of the atrocity, I don't know whether the number is right? but the massacre must exist.

Even now, reading the report that China export weapon to indonesia make feel bad, even in the Indonesia Megatsunami in 2004, I also protest China government donate about 60 million dollars to them, all because of 1998 massacre, although many of these chinese don't have Chinese Nationality, but they are Chinese, I also had seen some pictures that victim in that massacre, My feeling is the same with that while seems the picture of victime in Nanjing Massacre, till now, I still don't like indonesia.

If the Massacre is not caused by indonesian other enthic, not supported by your government, and you government do something in protecting Chinese, I don't believe there would be such huge victims, Indonesia must be responsible for the massacre, even if partly.

China government do too little to help ethnic Chinese in such kind of massacre on Chinese, Chinese are smart, always be rich in other place, also always be envied, if such massacre happened again, help China government can do more, even war with that country, I support it!

As to 1998 massacre, if indonesia are really responsible for it, you owe us a sorry, introspect it, and don't let it happened again, being forgave is not hard, if it is not your fault, show it!
This is totally ridiculous, since when China has the obligation to protect those foreigners?
The so-called "Chinese" in Indonesia even cannot speak Chinese language!
They are not Chinese, they have nothing to do with China.
 
Hails to the oversea Chinese contributors! History never forget them.

Some posters really behave like what CPC had done, CPC did hurt these oversea Chinese's feelings. CPC suppressed its people with no mercy, it's their tradition, i'm not surprised at all. They always sacrifice a small groups of people's interest, to achieve the so called"national interest". Our education system has always emphasized national interest or Patriotism, they never mention the minority's interest or respect individual's benefit. But when people suffered, this CPC betrayed them!

What really make me disappointed is that some posters even don't know what happened and come up with forgiveness.
Haha... u r right, i agree with ur opinion.

Not CPC has a stony heart, any Great Leader in Chinese history they r all inexorable & cold-heart (for example 嬴政,汉武帝,唐太宗,明太祖, Mao and Deng). For the final target, we could sacrifice a small groups and China did it. But we didn't forget it and later our ppl usually remember them, Chinese can forgive but never forget the truth.

Sometimes, U need to make a choose between individual's benefit and national interest of 1.3billion. The Chinese race is very strang ! If necessary China government would sacrifice small groups to save national interest, if necessary some foreign Chinese would sacrifice individual's benefit and leave rich foreign country, spend whole life to help poor China.

That is CHINESE ↑:-)
 
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This is totally ridiculous, since when China has the obligation to protect those foreigners?
The so-called "Chinese" in Indonesia even cannot speak Chinese language!
They are not Chinese, they have nothing to do with China.

Without oversea Jews, without Israel.

Chinese is the footstone of China, including mainland, TaiWan and foreign nations.Don't forget Our Nuclear industry primitively built by American-Chinese, our other industries also primitively built by foreign Chinese.

Without these oversea Chinese helps, how China could develop from a poor & weak country to a complete industrial system & powerful country during 60years ? We need to take care foreign Chinese, a Chinese is not superman but the Chinese race is huge potential.
 
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Without oversea Jews, without Israel.

Chinese is the footstone of China, including mainland, TaiWan and foreign nations.Don't forget Our Nuclear industry built by American-Chinese, our other industries also built by foreign Chinese.
RLY?
Without oversea Jews, without Israel.

Chinese is the footstone of China, including mainland, TaiWan and foreign nations.Don't forget Our Nuclear industry primitively built by American-Chinese, our other industries also primitively built by foreign Chinese.

Without these oversea Chinese helps, how China could develop from a poor & weak country to a whole-industry powerful country during 60years ? We need to take care foreign Chinese.
Well , I give my credit to all the Chinese who living in China,fighting for China.
China should only take care of Chinese people with Chinese citizenship,
as for those foreigners ,they have their own country, dont bother China.

@cnleio ^^^ If you would care to read my posting carefully (rather pumping your head with blood), you would see what I was trying to say. So be calm.

I didn't say the Chinese government should intervene at that time (btw what you said was reasonable regarding Chinese Indonesian and internal affair). What I meant was Chinese government is now "friendly" to a country which had gang raped, hacked to death, tortured, strangled, cut up in pieces of people with Chinese blood ONLY 15 years ago.

Are Chinese that forgiving? I don't think so. I think the Chinese government and to some extend the Chinese put money before blood.
Oh, so Pls tell me how do you comment on the action that Chinese government had taken in the Naw Kham case?
 
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Hsue-Shen Tsien

a scientist who made important contributions to the missile and space programs of both the United States and People's Republic of China.

In 1943, Qian and two others in the Caltech rocketry group drafted the first document to use the name Jet Propulsion Laboratory; it was a proposal to the Army for developing missiles in response to Germany's V-2 rocket. This led to the Private A, which flew in 1944, and later the Corporal, the WAC Corporal, and other designs.

After World War II he served under von Kármán as a consultant to the United States Army Air Forces, and commissioned with the assimilated rank of colonel. Von Kármán and Tsien both were sent by the Army to Germany to investigate the progress of wartime aerodynamics research. Qian investigated research facilities and interviewed German scientists including Wernher von Braun and Rudolph Hermann. Von Kármán wrote of Qian, “At the age of 36, he was an undisputed genius whose work was providing an enormous impetus to advances in high-speed aerodynamics and jet propulsion.” The American journal Aviation Week & Space Technology would name Qian its Person of the Year in 2007, and comment on his interrogation of von Braun, "No one then knew that the father of the future U.S. space program was being quizzed by the father of the future Chinese space program."

During this time, Colonel Qian worked on designing an intercontinental space plane. His work would inspire the X-20 Dyna-Soar, which itself would later influence the development of the American Space Shuttle.

In 1949, upon the recommendation of von Kármán, Qian became the first director of the Daniel and Florence Guggenheim Jet Propulsion Center at Caltech.
 
WTF! 钱老 is Chinese,he never applied for American citizenship!
My mistake, i remember he got the American citizenship. Anyway he still lived and worked in foreign country for many years,and got individual achievement in U.S, but 1950 he leave rich U.S and return to poor new-China, work for Chinese Space & Nuclear industry.

During 1950s-1960s they'r so many scientists and engineers leave the rich West and return poor China. Most of them study abroad from KMT's ROC, but they choose to back poor mainland of PRC not TaiWan of ROC.
 
@bolo ^^ Without Sun Yat Sen's contributions and efforts, you will be still sucking the Jap's dicks. Talk about ungratefulness. Now you suck dicks for anyone who gives you benefits.

I thought the Japs were good in changing history. Now we have a new winner from China.

Like I said, why don't you ask your government, (it is YOUR government that is China right?) why it honour SYS. Do you dare? Are you so ignorant? I guess they didn't teach in school? Or may be the school textbooks told you SYS was a traitor. China is good in doing this sort of things like photoshopping people out from the pictures they don't like.
 
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Still our economic growths outpace the devaluated Rupiah value, with current 5,8 per cent growth, we still hit 1 trillion dollar economy this year, and thanks to the downward trends of Rupiah value we still hold the competitive advantage to attract more investor from aboard and still can competing in exports market for some commodities (especially in textile industries, electronics, and automotive and extractive sectors). In 2002, Rupiah was hit the number of 14500 against US dollar, and we still can managing to growth our economic values for 4 per cent.
terrible pictures of the victims. I feel sad. :(

I am a supporter of a strong currency. A stable and strong currency serves best for an economy. In contrast, a weak currency destroys investor confidence and undermines the trust of its own people. You know the current account deficit is the main concern. But there are more issues that you need to address.

Since the start of the year the rupiah devaluates 20%, and your economy growth rate at 5.8% will not upset the loss in Dollar term. There is a gap.

Sure, in theory, a weak currency helps exports, because overseas customers pay less, so they are encouraged to buy more goods and services. But there is a problem: your customers need less from your major export products namely commodities and natural resources since the boom is over. They can buy more and put on stocks, but that option is limited.

I believe the best way out for Indonesia is to further strengthen manufactoring basis to reduce the dependence on commodities, more economic reforms and stable political enviroment.

Just a thought.
 
How do you know that those pictures are related with this case.....? Are you a member of Independence Investigation commission set up several years ago.....? where this commission can not verify those claims from the mouths of some people....

If someone doesnt do killing or raping...and then being accused to do those thing....the sin for the deliverer is more than killing some one...according to my religion Islam.....

Any bloody pictures are easy to be taken if we work as a forensic doctor ...but the question is not whether the picture are real or not...but does it has the relationship with the case that we are talking now...?

If a killing happened during that 2-3 days in Mei 1998....of course all the victims are in Police hands and will be easily verified since forensic doctors will examine the body......but since our commission dont get the proof it means it all fakes...just try to use common sense....if your family members get raped and killed....dont you want to know who the killer is? And who the raper is and give the body to the police...? Of course we want to have revenge and cooperate with the police...if there is one case that the police handle...so Independence commission will be easy verified the accusation...where in the reality they dont find it....

I am not a member of Independence Investigation commission.
and I don't have Evidence to Proof for you if That Picture is 100% is Real.

But You must Know, We are Indonesian Born Chinese Don't Scare for Nothing !

What Happen in May 1998 is Real.
My Father Friend, have his home Burned and had to flee through the roofs of Houses :frown:
The rioters burn his home cause their are Indonesian Born Chinese, and he is still don't know, why the rioters Know, he is an IBC.
But Right know, he and his family lived in Australia and Never want to back to Indonesia. Maybe, Trauma? o_O
do you still think What happen In Indonesia on May 1998 to indonesian Born Chinese is not Real?
do you still think , We are Indonesian Born Chinese just afraid for Nothing?

If you still think like that.
so, I think This discussion is Useless. :hitwall:




@Daniel808

U know, 4 years ago i ever visited a beautiful vacational village with my family in HaiNan, official name is "Hainan overseas Indonesian-Chinese farm" in HaiNan,XingLong.

It should be a Indonesian-Chinese farm, but now these Return-Chinese build a Southeast Asian vacational village here. They told me these Indonesian-Chinese was back to China during 60s,80s and 90s from Indonesia, besides HaiNan in GuangDong and FuJian province also have some Indonesian-Chinese farms.

Ah, Really Nice Picture Bro. :-)
I hope someday I can Visit that Beauty Place.

Btw, my Father families is From Guangzhou. not to far away from Hainan :yahoo:
 
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This is totally ridiculous, since when China has the obligation to protect those foreigners?
The so-called "Chinese" in Indonesia even cannot speak Chinese language!
They are not Chinese, they have nothing to do with China.

Yes, Maybe I cannot speak Mandarin Chinese.

But for Your Info, Most of Funding for the Xinhai Revolution Come from Overseas Chinese.
who you say, "they are not chinese" o_O

and also after Deng Xiaoping Reforms. Many overseas Chinese are now investing in People's Republic of China providing financial resources, social and cultural networks, contacts and opportunities.

The Japanese see Their Diaspora in Foreign country as their potential asset. Who can be an Ambassador for Their Culture :-)
Even the People, who don't have "Japanese Blood" but Interesting and Like their Culture is Japan Potential Asset.

and also Indonesia although a bit late. see Indonesian Diaspora are their asset too.


Maybe, If People's Republic of China want better Relationship with the World and their Neighbor . China must do that way too, I think. :-)

By the way, Maybe I am Not have Chinese Citizenship. But I still Ethnic Chinese. lol
 

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