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As for ur stupid marked theorey.. it was calcutta where riots took place first... than came the number of muslims in bihar.. as for finishing em... ur not even a punjabi or some guy who didnt suffer through partition... and thanks for showing ur true colors scumbag!

You missed out the Noakhali riots.
 
Duffer see the whole BBC documentary ... and stop pulling out facts from ur behind...as for showing colors... it wasnt me who talked abt finishing people...? yes my maternal great grandfather was shot (he survived) trying to help the muslims by fighting sikh jathas.. my paternal granpa and his sons also took part in 47!

I don't like speaking about finishing people. Your BS posts provoked me. Anyways I am sorry for that term which I used.
1 more thing. Even our family has suffered partition. My Grand Pa and his Hindu friends were taken away by Muslim murderer gangs. They were given choice either convert or die. But it was only a good and close Muslim friend of his who saved him. He was the one who suggested my Grand Pa to leave for Calcutta for the time being and this friend accompanied him to the airport to guard him from the Goons, from where he came to Calcutta. That's y I don't hate Muslims but I hate haters whoever it might be, be a Hindu or a Muslim.
 
From the boundry of Delhi to the banks of Ravi River the population is divided as follows: Muslims, 4,505,000; Sikhs and other non-muslims, 7,060,000. To this may be added the population of Sikh states of Patiala, Nabha, Jind, Kapurthala and Faridkot, which is about 2,600,000, of this Muslims constitute barely 20 percent and this reduces the ratio of Muslim population still further. We shall resist by all possible means, separation of Punjab from the all-India union. We shall never permit our motherland to be at the mercy of those who disown it. After it was a certainity that Pakistan will be formed, Giani Kartar Singh in 1943 declared a call for a Separate state called Azad Punjab, to be comprised of Ambala, Jullundar, Lahore, Multan, and Lyallpur divisions. Mastar Tara Singh president of SAD and other Sikh leaders such as Giani Sher Singh, Sadhu Singh Hamdard,Amar singh Dosanjh, Ajit singh Ambalvi supported this call for Azad Punjab. Then in a speech in Amritsar in August 1944, Master Tara Singh declared that Sikhs were a nation and as such a demand was formerly put forward by Shiromani Akali Dal in a resolution passed on March 22, 1946 for a separate Sikh state. After this situation in Punjab was getting tense. On one hand Jinnah and Muslim league was calling for blood or Pakistan and declaring that Muslims are no believer of ahimsa and will resort to any means possible to achieve their means. Muslim league declared August 16th 1946 to be observed as Direct Action Day, where all muslims were asked to show the support for Pakistan by rioting. Explaining the implications of Direct Action Day threat, Liaqat Ali Khan, general secretary of Muslim league said "Direct action means resort to non-constitutional methods that can take any form which many suit the conditions under which we live. We cannot eliminate any methods. Direct Action means any action against the law." Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar spoke in more forthright terms: "Pakistan can be achieved through shedding blood of others. Muslims are no believers in ahimsa.

The decree of violence and jingoism was enthusiastically embraced by the Muslim masses. The Muslim league created a private army called Muslim National Guards. Arms were being secretely amassed, petrol stored and lethel weapons laid in. Muslim league volunteers were especially trained in the skills of stabbing and fire-raising. Simultaneously, a chorus of hate and inflammatory exhortation flowed from the League pulpiteers and newspapers. Communal frenzy was worked up to a dangerous pitch and on appointed day the storm burst in Calcutta. H.S. Suhrawardy, Muslim league leader from Bengal let loose horron on the Hindu population on the morning of August 16 1946. Stabbing, looting, burning were the order of the day. For four days the League desperados had the city at their mercy. According to rough estimated about 15,000 persons were killed and injured while one hundred thousands were rendered homeless. Then on 2nd September in Noakhali and Tippera (Bengal) where Hindus were in minority, violence broke out. Thousands of Hindus were cruelly murdered, their womenfolks abducted and compelled to marry Muslims, property looted. The Sikhs of Calcutta did a notable humanitarium job at the time of the Great killing, saving many innocent lives in Hindus as well as in Muslim localities. Soon violence spread northwards. According to Muslim league, the Sikhs were the only viable obstruction to Pakistan. Justice G.D. Khosla of the Fact Finding Organization setup by Government of India observed: "Sikhs had opposed the partition of India with even greater vigour than Hindus, because they felt that as a community they could only expect disaster in Pakistan, therefore it was against the Sikhs that spearpoint of the Muslim league attack was first aimed. In the March 1947 riots, the Sikhs or Rawalpindi faced ahhihilation and large number of them left the district. Within a few weeks almost the entire Sikh population had migrated from the district. Rioting in Punjab started in first week of December in the district of Hazara. A Holy war was declared on Hindus and Sikhs. Sikh habitations were wiped out, Gurdwaras were desecrated. Rioting in Lahore was started in March 4 1947, it started out as stabbing and small incidents and spread out to become arson and murder. Soon after Muslims in Amritsar (muslims were about 40-50% of population before partition) went rioting, a mob tried to attack Golden Temple and were repulsed with a pitched battle fought between handful of Sikhs under Jathedar Udham Singh Nagoke. Same day muslims of Sharifpura (a suburb of Amristar), stopped a train full of refugees from Pakistan for slaughter. After this incident, Sikhs and Hindus in Amritsar were furious and many innocent muslims had to bear the fury of anger. Soon after Amritsar was empty of Muslims. While total number of casualties were about same on both sides, about 100-150 million refugees were exchanged between both countries. There were large number of atrocities inflicted on women, many were abducted and raped. In village Thoh Khalsa (now in Pakistan), 1000 Sikh and Hindu women jumped into well to save their honor after their menfolks were killed by Muslim mobs. It is estimated that about 1 million Hindus/Sikhs/Muslims were murdered and 10-50 millions were injured. Property lost was in trillion of dollars.

Muslims did got their Pakistan but soon after it was put under marshall law by its feudal infested army. Sikhs did themselves a big favour by opting out of Pakistan at this time in Pakistan situation of few Hindus/Christians/other muslims (shia, Ahmadias) is worse off then in any other country. Judges are often asked to hang a non-muslims only on the basis of accusation. Sikh leadership opted for India and millions of Sikhs migrated to East Punjab and Delhi. Recently a well known bishop of a church shot himself on the door steps of a court in Pakistan after another christian was sentenced to death after a false accusation.

Even if I take your figures than still Muslim Population is about 50% not 20% and rest of your post is twisted story
 
From the boundry of Delhi to the banks of Ravi River the population is divided as follows: Muslims, 4,505,000; Sikhs and other non-muslims, 7,060,000. To this may be added the population of Sikh states of Patiala, Nabha, Jind, Kapurthala and Faridkot, which is about 2,600,000, of this Muslims constitute barely 20 percent and this reduces the ratio of Muslim population still further. We shall resist by all possible means, separation of Punjab from the all-India union. We shall never permit our motherland to be at the mercy of those who disown it. After it was a certainity that Pakistan will be formed, Giani Kartar Singh in 1943 declared a call for a Separate state called Azad Punjab, to be comprised of Ambala, Jullundar, Lahore, Multan, and Lyallpur divisions. Mastar Tara Singh president of SAD and other Sikh leaders such as Giani Sher Singh, Sadhu Singh Hamdard,Amar singh Dosanjh, Ajit singh Ambalvi supported this call for Azad Punjab. Then in a speech in Amritsar in August 1944, Master Tara Singh declared that Sikhs were a nation and as such a demand was formerly put forward by Shiromani Akali Dal in a resolution passed on March 22, 1946 for a separate Sikh state. After this situation in Punjab was getting tense. On one hand Jinnah and Muslim league was calling for blood or Pakistan and declaring that Muslims are no believer of ahimsa and will resort to any means possible to achieve their means. Muslim league declared August 16th 1946 to be observed as Direct Action Day, where all muslims were asked to show the support for Pakistan by rioting. Explaining the implications of Direct Action Day threat, Liaqat Ali Khan, general secretary of Muslim league said "Direct action means resort to non-constitutional methods that can take any form which many suit the conditions under which we live. We cannot eliminate any methods. Direct Action means any action against the law." Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar spoke in more forthright terms: "Pakistan can be achieved through shedding blood of others. Muslims are no believers in ahimsa.

The decree of violence and jingoism was enthusiastically embraced by the Muslim masses. The Muslim league created a private army called Muslim National Guards. Arms were being secretely amassed, petrol stored and lethel weapons laid in. Muslim league volunteers were especially trained in the skills of stabbing and fire-raising. Simultaneously, a chorus of hate and inflammatory exhortation flowed from the League pulpiteers and newspapers. Communal frenzy was worked up to a dangerous pitch and on appointed day the storm burst in Calcutta. H.S. Suhrawardy, Muslim league leader from Bengal let loose horron on the Hindu population on the morning of August 16 1946. Stabbing, looting, burning were the order of the day. For four days the League desperados had the city at their mercy. According to rough estimated about 15,000 persons were killed and injured while one hundred thousands were rendered homeless. Then on 2nd September in Noakhali and Tippera (Bengal) where Hindus were in minority, violence broke out. Thousands of Hindus were cruelly murdered, their womenfolks abducted and compelled to marry Muslims, property looted. The Sikhs of Calcutta did a notable humanitarium job at the time of the Great killing, saving many innocent lives in Hindus as well as in Muslim localities. Soon violence spread northwards. According to Muslim league, the Sikhs were the only viable obstruction to Pakistan. Justice G.D. Khosla of the Fact Finding Organization setup by Government of India observed: "Sikhs had opposed the partition of India with even greater vigour than Hindus, because they felt that as a community they could only expect disaster in Pakistan, therefore it was against the Sikhs that spearpoint of the Muslim league attack was first aimed. In the March 1947 riots, the Sikhs or Rawalpindi faced ahhihilation and large number of them left the district. Within a few weeks almost the entire Sikh population had migrated from the district. Rioting in Punjab started in first week of December in the district of Hazara. A Holy war was declared on Hindus and Sikhs. Sikh habitations were wiped out, Gurdwaras were desecrated. Rioting in Lahore was started in March 4 1947, it started out as stabbing and small incidents and spread out to become arson and murder. Soon after Muslims in Amritsar (muslims were about 40-50% of population before partition) went rioting, a mob tried to attack Golden Temple and were repulsed with a pitched battle fought between handful of Sikhs under Jathedar Udham Singh Nagoke. Same day muslims of Sharifpura (a suburb of Amristar), stopped a train full of refugees from Pakistan for slaughter. After this incident, Sikhs and Hindus in Amritsar were furious and many innocent muslims had to bear the fury of anger. Soon after Amritsar was empty of Muslims. While total number of casualties were about same on both sides, about 100-150 million refugees were exchanged between both countries. There were large number of atrocities inflicted on women, many were abducted and raped. In village Thoh Khalsa (now in Pakistan), 1000 Sikh and Hindu women jumped into well to save their honor after their menfolks were killed by Muslim mobs. It is estimated that about 1 million Hindus/Sikhs/Muslims were murdered and 10-50 millions were injured. Property lost was in trillion of dollars.

Muslims did got their Pakistan but soon after it was put under marshall law by its feudal infested army. Sikhs did themselves a big favour by opting out of Pakistan at this time in Pakistan situation of few Hindus/Christians/other muslims (shia, Ahmadias) is worse off then in any other country. Judges are often asked to hang a non-muslims only on the basis of accusation. Sikh leadership opted for India and millions of Sikhs migrated to East Punjab and Delhi. Recently a well known bishop of a church shot himself on the door steps of a court in Pakistan after another christian was sentenced to death after a false accusation.

Nice story man...:tup:

From the boundry of Delhi to the banks of Ravi River the population is divided as follows: Muslims, 4,505,000; Sikhs and other non-muslims, 7,060,000. To this may be added the population of Sikh states of Patiala, Nabha, Jind, Kapurthala and Faridkot, which is about 2,600,000, of this Muslims constitute barely 20 percent and this reduces the ratio of Muslim population still further. We shall resist by all possible means, separation of Punjab from the all-India union. We shall never permit our motherland to be at the mercy of those who disown it. After it was a certainity that Pakistan will be formed, Giani Kartar Singh in 1943 declared a call for a Separate state called Azad Punjab, to be comprised of Ambala, Jullundar, Lahore, Multan, and Lyallpur divisions. Mastar Tara Singh president of SAD and other Sikh leaders such as Giani Sher Singh, Sadhu Singh Hamdard,Amar singh Dosanjh, Ajit singh Ambalvi supported this call for Azad Punjab. Then in a speech in Amritsar in August 1944, Master Tara Singh declared that Sikhs were a nation and as such a demand was formerly put forward by Shiromani Akali Dal in a resolution passed on March 22, 1946 for a separate Sikh state. After this situation in Punjab was getting tense. On one hand Jinnah and Muslim league was calling for blood or Pakistan and declaring that Muslims are no believer of ahimsa and will resort to any means possible to achieve their means. Muslim league declared August 16th 1946 to be observed as Direct Action Day, where all muslims were asked to show the support for Pakistan by rioting. Explaining the implications of Direct Action Day threat, Liaqat Ali Khan, general secretary of Muslim league said "Direct action means resort to non-constitutional methods that can take any form which many suit the conditions under which we live. We cannot eliminate any methods. Direct Action means any action against the law." Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar spoke in more forthright terms: "Pakistan can be achieved through shedding blood of others. Muslims are no believers in ahimsa.

The decree of violence and jingoism was enthusiastically embraced by the Muslim masses. The Muslim league created a private army called Muslim National Guards. Arms were being secretely amassed, petrol stored and lethel weapons laid in. Muslim league volunteers were especially trained in the skills of stabbing and fire-raising. Simultaneously, a chorus of hate and inflammatory exhortation flowed from the League pulpiteers and newspapers. Communal frenzy was worked up to a dangerous pitch and on appointed day the storm burst in Calcutta. H.S. Suhrawardy, Muslim league leader from Bengal let loose horron on the Hindu population on the morning of August 16 1946. Stabbing, looting, burning were the order of the day. For four days the League desperados had the city at their mercy. According to rough estimated about 15,000 persons were killed and injured while one hundred thousands were rendered homeless. Then on 2nd September in Noakhali and Tippera (Bengal) where Hindus were in minority, violence broke out. Thousands of Hindus were cruelly murdered, their womenfolks abducted and compelled to marry Muslims, property looted. The Sikhs of Calcutta did a notable humanitarium job at the time of the Great killing, saving many innocent lives in Hindus as well as in Muslim localities. Soon violence spread northwards. According to Muslim league, the Sikhs were the only viable obstruction to Pakistan. Justice G.D. Khosla of the Fact Finding Organization setup by Government of India observed: "Sikhs had opposed the partition of India with even greater vigour than Hindus, because they felt that as a community they could only expect disaster in Pakistan, therefore it was against the Sikhs that spearpoint of the Muslim league attack was first aimed. In the March 1947 riots, the Sikhs or Rawalpindi faced ahhihilation and large number of them left the district. Within a few weeks almost the entire Sikh population had migrated from the district. Rioting in Punjab started in first week of December in the district of Hazara. A Holy war was declared on Hindus and Sikhs. Sikh habitations were wiped out, Gurdwaras were desecrated. Rioting in Lahore was started in March 4 1947, it started out as stabbing and small incidents and spread out to become arson and murder. Soon after Muslims in Amritsar (muslims were about 40-50% of population before partition) went rioting, a mob tried to attack Golden Temple and were repulsed with a pitched battle fought between handful of Sikhs under Jathedar Udham Singh Nagoke. Same day muslims of Sharifpura (a suburb of Amristar), stopped a train full of refugees from Pakistan for slaughter. After this incident, Sikhs and Hindus in Amritsar were furious and many innocent muslims had to bear the fury of anger. Soon after Amritsar was empty of Muslims. While total number of casualties were about same on both sides, about 100-150 million refugees were exchanged between both countries. There were large number of atrocities inflicted on women, many were abducted and raped. In village Thoh Khalsa (now in Pakistan), 1000 Sikh and Hindu women jumped into well to save their honor after their menfolks were killed by Muslim mobs. It is estimated that about 1 million Hindus/Sikhs/Muslims were murdered and 10-50 millions were injured. Property lost was in trillion of dollars.

Muslims did got their Pakistan but soon after it was put under marshall law by its feudal infested army. Sikhs did themselves a big favour by opting out of Pakistan at this time in Pakistan situation of few Hindus/Christians/other muslims (shia, Ahmadias) is worse off then in any other country. Judges are often asked to hang a non-muslims only on the basis of accusation. Sikh leadership opted for India and millions of Sikhs migrated to East Punjab and Delhi. Recently a well known bishop of a church shot himself on the door steps of a court in Pakistan after another christian was sentenced to death after a false accusation.

Nice story man...:tup:
 
I don't like speaking about finishing people. Your BS posts provoked me. Anyways I am sorry for that term which I used.
1 more thing. Even our family has suffered partition. My Grand Pa and his Hindu friends were taken away by Muslim murderer gangs. They were given choice either convert or die. But it was only a good and close Muslim friend of his who saved him. He was the one who suggested my Grand Pa to leave for Calcutta for the time being and this friend accompanied him to the airport to guard him from the Goons, from where he came to Calcutta. That's y I don't hate Muslims but I hate haters whoever it might be, be a Hindu or a Muslim.

people tend to make up false stories like putting their granpa up as source fact knowing damn well the story told by grandpa's can be given directions to their own emotions to suit there own story well. Mean while i busted his bubble of lies about who jumped in wells and who started the murdering episode of Partition with cold hard facts. Read the post # 30
 
The same happened to sikhs in Pakistan.. but muslims suffered more bcoz Pakistan had sikhs in minority... while indian side of punjab had much more muslims....


DF,

I agree with the first part.

..... the first train to arrive in Pakistan had only 1 survivor a baby in the arms of his dead mother...

However the second part is largely a myth. The first train did not carry East Punjabi Muslims.

Instead it was carrying Sarkari Baboos (government officials) and army officers from Delhi who had opted to serve in Pakistani government. I can perhaps dig out the exact name and number of the train. It may take some time though. This train was attacked in a bad attempt to deprive Pakistan of the government workers. The planners of this attack (I'll point a bit later) were $tupidly hoping that such an action will lead to collapse of the nascent state of Pakistan. I say $tupid, because Pakistan later showed that it can produce the same amount of cr@ppy baboos indian style in a year or so.

This train was not intended for "migration of Muslims" at all the way so many myths about partition say.

Civilian migration trains and caravans started a bit later and slowly increased in their ferocity and zulm.

Indians who are pointing out Rawalpindi riots, are not entirely wrong. However the exact location was not Pindi, but a major Sikh-dominated market outside Pindi.

However the number of sikhs killed in these riots was rather small. But the impact on Sikh population was huge.

There were other incidents in that dark period like the Masjid Shaheed Ganj that I call Masjis $tupid ganj. Even Iqbal was disgusted when he wrote,

-- Masjid to bana di shab bhar main Iman ke hararat walon nain
-- Man upna purana paapi hai, berson main namazi bun na saka

people can build a mosque in one night, but they are unable to be honest abe even after years of prostration.




However this is all nitpicking. it pails in comparison to what was about to happen. And sadly everyone knew about it.

For example, Jinnah calls upon Governor Jenkins of Punjab, and says, my dear governor, mobs are getting ready please post army at major areas to make sure things do not get out of hands.

Police on the other hand was under the control of home minister Sardar Patel. he had already refused to do anything for Punjab.

Gov. Jenkins only promised small contingent of army for a vast state like Punjab (both East and West). Gen. Ayub and one Hindu Punjabi officer (forgetting his name) were put in charge of this under-powered under-manned army contingent.

Why?

I don't know.

None of the papers in "transfer of power" explains the reasons why British did not post large numbers of army jawans to protect life and limb during the partition.

One can only theorize.

Even though Jinnah, and Giyani Kartar Singh, and Sardar Baldev Singh (minister in Delhi Gov) tried to figure out a way, but none had the actual power on the ground to stop it.

Akali Sikhs like Tara Singh, and Muslim leagures like Shaukat the black faced were too much into blood bath.

and so was Sardar Wilubh bhai patel (the home minister).


The holocaust of Punjab that followed August 1947 was unmatchable by any other part of India.


Partition impacted mostly one state in the whole of British India. And that state was Punjab.

Before partition
-- East Punjab (Indian side) had 55-65% Muslim Punjabis. (depending on city/village)
-- West Punjab (Pak side) had 35-45% non-Muslim Punjabis (depending on city/village)

After partition
--- Indian Punjab had 0% Muslim punjabis (totally annihilated by Indian mobs)
-- Pak Punjab had 0% non-Muslim punjabis (totally annihilated by Pak mobs)
--- few exceptions were tiny Muslim population in Malir kotla, and tiny sikh population around holy shrines such as: Nankana sahib and Punja sahib


nowhere else in India or Pak, the ethnic cleansing was so absolute so comprehensive.

Around 1947 there were few riots and some uprooting around Delhi area and tiny bit in Kolkatta etc.


So partition should be blamed for the killings and rapes and ethnic cleansing in Punjab only.


And such blame is more on Punjabi Muslims as they were in majority and to lesser extent on other groups because they were in minority.


peace


p.s. this is an honest opinion. I am not trying to take sides on this.
 
Before partition
-- East Punjab (Indian side) had 55-65% Muslim Punjabis. (depending on city/village)

Only Gurudaspur and Firozpur were Muslim majority (that census included Ahmedis also) in East Punjab.

Even though Jinnah, and Giyani Kartar Singh, and Sardar Baldev Singh (minister in Delhi Gov) tried to figure out a way, but none had the actual power on the ground to stop it.

and so was Sardar Wilubh bhai patel (the home minister).

You are trying to blame Congress and giving cleanchit to Muslim League. :cheesy: It was Muslim League who triggered the riots by their Direct Action Day to force Congress to accept their demand for Pakistan.
 
Sikhs back stabbed Muslims, most of the Muslims killing during partition was done by the hands of Sikhs. Muslims had to kill their daughters and sisters as these demented Sikhs were raping and abducting Muslim women. As far as I am concerned they deserve every '84 they get its Karma for their sins.




Is it what you are told in Madarsa and Schools? Lies and misinformation? Sikhs betrayed you and Pakistani killed and forced Sikhs to move out of Land of pure...

In 1947 there were 11% non-Muslims (Majority Sikhs) in Pakistan, now they are only 2%...

The best way of ethenic cleansing is Rape/Threat some one daughter. I remember KRAIT's thread where Kashmiri Pundits told what Muslims did with them..
 
Movie is not allowed to release in India....secular????????
 
Only Gurudaspur and Firozpur were Muslim majority (that census included Ahmedis also) in East Punjab.



You are trying to blame Congress and giving cleanchit to Muslim League. :cheesy: It was Muslim League who triggered the riots by their Direct Action Day to force Congress to accept their demand for Pakistan.

Still in Indian Punjab's - Maler kotla, Nabha, kote ise khan, Balial, Dhuri, Dhanot, Ahmedgargh, Manakheri, Lehra, Johlan, Pharwali Ghanauri Kalan, Sangrur, Raikot, Hamidi are majority Punjabi Muslims and they live amoung Sikhs with no problem ever since partition. These Punjabi Muslims from these areas never had any issues with Sikhs in Punjab. Never heard of any riots or any trouble in these area since partition. Punjabi Muslims can only live with Sikhs without any trouble, It's only these urdu speaking Muslims have had problems with Punjabi's ethnicity doesn't matter they are Muslims or Sikhs. Today still in Pakistan Muslims are divided in there own religion.
 
Sikhs back stabbed Muslims, most of the Muslims killing during partition was done by the hands of Sikhs....

yes Siree. Blame the small minority for everything. Blame them.

That's the easy way out. yes. Spread the myths.
 

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