Alternate solution for Pakistan Navy to counter Large Navies ?

[Mitro]

What is the point of reserving oil when you don't have ammunition to use in war just look @ small skirmish like kargil exposed our ammunition shortage and we have to buy them ASAP .

This could be one alternative.

But as it is, we are facing a massive energy/fuel crisis. It would be nearly impossible to build fuel reserves for more than a couple of weeks unless we can start shelling you more cash which we don't have atm.
And the storage itself is not cheap.

You see the problem?

There is another alternative still. Utilize IP and TAPI gas and coal from Thar to produce energy. This frees up the oil for storage.

A step further: an underground Iran-Pakistan oil pipeline that supplies at least 35% of our oil needs. Saves dollars and virtually uninterruptible (exept by the Iranian mood swings and US+Arab opposition).

But both procedures are difficult owing to our budget limitations and dwindling diplomatic clout.

What is the point of reserving oil when you don't have ammunition to use in war just look @ small skirmish like kargil exposed our ammunition shortage,laser guide bomb and we have to buy them ASAP .

This could be one alternative.

But as it is, we are facing a massive energy/fuel crisis. It would be nearly impossible to build fuel reserves for more than a couple of weeks unless we can start shelling you more cash which we don't have atm.
And the storage itself is not cheap.

You see the problem?

There is another alternative still. Utilize IP and TAPI gas and coal from Thar to produce energy. This frees up the oil for storage.

A step further: an underground Iran-Pakistan oil pipeline that supplies at least 35% of our oil needs. Saves dollars and virtually uninterruptible (exept by the Iranian mood swings and US+Arab opposition).

But both procedures are difficult owing to our budget limitations and dwindling diplomatic clout.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan should continue its Program of inducting Warships

You can't defend national Interest with just Missiles if that was the case , Germany would not have lost Or Iraq would have been able to defend its interest with Missiles.

Importance of Sea route protection is also evident in Modern Warfare and battles in Iraq most redcently and Vietnam

World war 2 , major victories included

a) Loss of German control over Midetranean sea which resulted in German loss
b) Loss of Pacific sea , battle of Iwo Jima and other Islands which resulted in loss to Japan


Warships are must for Nuclear power nation like Pakistan


25 Frigates is a wonderful goal, the weapons on board are sufficient to Block any supply of Oil to India,

Nuclear Powered Submarines would be ideal boost to Pakistan Navy , and we should aim big
as oppose to take a cheap way out.


20 Frigate force, and 10 Nuclear power submarine would be sufficient specially since China will knock out any Indian influence on west coast

Reviewing the US win over Germany in Pacific , the counter meassures against submarines were important factor why the Germans lost the Pacific waters, certainly the P8 Posiden platform sale to India is major concern to Pakistan. This is tilted the balance of strategic balance due to American misadventure.

The only way to counter is Nuclear submarines that stay underwater fro long periods

Ideally 40 Frigates

20 stationed @ Pakistan Sea Patrols
10 On missions in Gulf/Africa
5 East Sea collaborative Patrol
5 Reserve status

Meanwhile the 10 Nuclear Submarines should be strictly for Offensive Roles

 

[Srinivas]

Wakeup from your day dreaming we cannot blockade a nuclear power with first use doctrine and cruise missile with range of 700km they can easily destroy our bases in gujarat and maharastra and our oil reserve so dont put too much pressure on your little brain bye good to me

How can Pakistan blockade India and can Indian Navy then ?
isin't funny and silly.

Id PN can attack IN in your fantasy then IN can easily blockade ports of Pakistan.

 

[Echo_419]

Kargil really they cross Line of control not us and they still have some of highest peak in kargil like we do in siachen .

one submarine was enough to keep our vikrant out of war in 1971.

What are you talking about that sub was sunk by our navy & blockade of East pakistan was successful

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Unless India softance its stance on Dada giri , the induction of Ships and Nuclear ships should continue at normal pace

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What are you talking about that sub was sunk by our navy & blockade of East pakistan was successful

Son, Ghazi sank while laying mines.. and it was several hours later ur navy even came to know abt it... as per the evidence and the international observers present (witnesses) in india during the war..

 

[EzioAltaïr]

Kargil really they cross Line of control not us and they still have some of highest peak in kargil like we do in siachen .

one submarine was enough to keep our vikrant out of war in 1971.

Get your facts straight man, it was in 1965 that a sub "bloakaded us". Also, back then most of our fleet was under maintencance, with no plans to leave the docks, so there was no real fighting. No ships were damaged, only the dockyard at Dwarka itself took damage.

In 1971, we blockaded Karachi, and sank their subs, frigates, merchantmen, and even destroyed a third of their fuel supply.

Son, Ghazi sank while laying mines.. and it was several hours later ur navy even came to know abt it... as per the evidence and the international observers present (witnesses) in india during the war..

No, it was sunk during a recon mission.

 

[Jade]

Unless India softance its stance on Dada giri , the induction of Ships and Nuclear ships should continue at normal pace

And the ever pervasive question: "Where is the money".

If Pakistan were rich, this question of "Alternative strategies" would not have arisen.

 

[RazorMC]

What is the point of reserving oil when you don't have ammunition to use in war just look @ small skirmish like kargil exposed our ammunition shortage and we have to buy them ASAP .

Yeah, I know. Silly countries trying so hard to protect oil supply even in peace times. Dunno what they'll do in wartime.
Who needs fuel to fly jets and keep their boats floating? Which tank in the world uses fossil fuels?

 

[Echo_419]

Son, Ghazi sank while laying mines.. and it was several hours later ur navy even came to know abt it... as per the evidence and the international observers present (witnesses) in india during the war..

My fake *** dad it was sunk by Indian navy so what if we found about it later
whether it layed mines or did not layed mines it failed In the mission to sink our AC

 

[danger007]

Pakistan should continue its Program of inducting Warships

You can't defend national Interest with just Missiles if that was the case , Germany would not have lost Or Iraq would have been able to defend its interest with Missiles.

Importance of Sea route protection is also evident in Modern Warfare and battles in Iraq most redcently and Vietnam

World war 2 , major victories included

a) Loss of German control over Midetranean sea which resulted in German loss
b) Loss of Pacific sea , battle of Iwo Jima and other Islands which resulted in loss to Japan


Warships are must for Nuclear power nation like Pakistan


25 Frigates is a wonderful goal, the weapons on board are sufficient to Block any supply of Oil to India,

Nuclear Powered Submarines would be ideal boost to Pakistan Navy , and we should aim big
as oppose to take a cheap way out.


20 Frigate force, and 10 Nuclear power submarine would be sufficient specially since China will knock out any Indian influence on west coast

Reviewing the US win over Germany in Pacific , the counter meassures against submarines were important factor why the Germans lost the Pacific waters, certainly the P8 Posiden platform sale to India is major concern to Pakistan. This is tilted the balance of strategic balance due to American misadventure.

The only way to counter is Nuclear submarines that stay underwater fro long periods

Ideally 40 Frigates

20 stationed @ Pakistan Sea Patrols
10 On missions in Gulf/Africa
5 East Sea collaborative Patrol
5 Reserve status

Meanwhile the 10 Nuclear Submarines should be strictly for Offensive Roles

lol did it possible in this century? do you think IN will be at same level until you induct 40 frigates? what is the navy budget of pak?

 

[INDIC]

Kargil really they cross Line of control not us and they still have some of highest peak in kargil like we do in siachen .

one submarine was enough to keep our vikrant out of war in 1971.

Which highest peak, are you referring to point 5353 its an ordinary peak on LOC, its not a highest peak. They captured the abandoned peaks and could not hold onto it. Meanwhile Indian infrastructure getting far better in these border areas compared to Pakistan.

 

[alimobin memon]

Firstly ballistic missiles are not sold to another countries because of MTCR.

Secondly Ballistic missile can't hit moving ships.

Thirdly, if I consider IN and PN, IN warships are much advanced. They can detect PN warships of old design much ahead than the PN warships can.
Thus they can launch Brahmos from 300 km away which then will take 500 odd seconds to ram into PN warships thereby not only destroying the ships but these ASCM on board.

Dude Their are now Ballistic missiles who change their course so They can Hit a Battlegroup...

 

[alimobin memon]

Dont Bring Fantasies here 21 frigates or 10 nuclear submarines is a complete joke we are not a super power that we acquire 10 nuke subs....
Furthermore The ballistic missiles in pakistan have easily a range more than the Sea territory of pakistan. My point is If Frigates and subs are expensive why not make Missiles of range 1000 km in large numbers and by large numbers i mean like firing 3-4 at same time on one ship which can be deadly.
And I dont Consider a F22P being a good Anti Air capable frigate so they should be near Coast. But ballistic missiles should work as an indirect or direct fire over Battlegroups of an enemy which even if Doesnt Work out well will surely Waste enough ammo of enemy or Also which will force enemy to spread all over the sea so that BM's dont destory all the group which can make them vulnerable.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

lol did it possible in this century? do you think IN will be at same level until you induct 40 frigates? what is the navy budget of pak?

LOL do you think India will be a GORA society , considering all the people sleeping on roads who Bollywood actors keep driving over instead of road

By the time all peopel find a home to live Pakistan will be first world country