Baithak: Cultures & Colors of Pakistan.

[haviZsultan]

This is your thread @Monkey D Luffy.... keep posting. Very useful information.

And brilliant job. You should have stated however that this region (IOK) is rightfully ours otherwise it is not a part of Pakistan. Lucknow was heart of the Muslim League and is rightfully Pakistan's too. I always call it chota Pakistan.

^^^^ Why Patahns like you are so down right obsessed with "Pathan Identity"..
Insecurity?

Safriz Pashtun culture itself is not the issue, i have been very critical of muhajirs and the way they formed separate identity but perhaps even that can be forgiven though Quaid made it clear he wanted us to merge. Its how these identities are being used and how a polarization of society is taking place gradually in the country.

Let Luffy post. Its about cultures in Pakistan... why we want to hamper that? Don't worry yaar will post for you also, Safriz. What is better? Luffy posting pro-Afghanistan rubbish or posting about brave Pakistani Pashtuns who are the real Pashtuns unlike those foreign rats. Leave it. It just gives him chance to complain see they don't respect Pashtuns. Leave it. He comments on Afghanistan we will spank him together and you will have support of true (Pakistani) Pashtuns in doing so.

Also luffy... I have no clue why you have to tag that foreign rat Sher Malang in this post who counts every Pashtun to be a part of Afghanistan... you will just turn this place into a place where racial tension is ever-existent.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

^^^^ Why Patahns like you are so down right obsessed with "Pathan Identity"..
Insecurity?

Dont bark if you have nothing to contribute to this thread.

 

[Safriz]

Dont bark if you have nothing to contribute to this thread.

Actually that was a little tiny puny "Meow" from me..
Will BARK loud and hard later tomorrow,on this point of "Obsessive compulsive" Pushtoon identity... and you or somebody else are most welcome to reply

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

This is your thread [MENTION=29079]
Also luffy... I have no clue why you have to tag that foreign rat Sher Malang in this post who counts every Pashtun to be a part of Afghanistan... you will just turn this place into a place where racial tension is ever-existent.

Racial tension in this thread is not due to sher malang but our own fellow pakistanis who have hard time digesting that some one is posting pashtun related info on a pakistani forum. When i opened this thread, good-for-nothing think tank safriz immediately posted anti-pakhtun picture then deleted it after few minutes......

 

[haviZsultan]

@Safriz when will you learn...

He just gets a chance to peddle all this "we are oppressed" rubbish. Look at what karachiite just said. One operation... a casualty of innocent civilians and you can't divide him from the MQM for life.

I feel I am a toy soldier... thanks luffy and darkinsky for letting me do I can do nothing whatsoever to change things... God someone give me Naswar. I need it!

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Actually that was a little tiny puny "Meow" from me..
Will BARK loud and hard later tomorrow,on this point of "Obsessive compulsive" Pushtoon identity... and you or somebody else are most welcome to reply

Go get some life, go outside , breath some fresh air, dance in some night club, drink or whatever you want to do in U.K...........

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@Safriz when will you learn...

He just gets a chance to peddle all this "we are oppressed" rubbish. Look at what karachiite just said. One operation... a casualty of innocent civilians and you can't divide him from the MQM for life.

I feel I am a toy soldier... thanks luffy and darkinsky for letting me do I can do nothing whatsoever to change things... God someone give me Naswar. I need it!

Safriz is a British pakistani, i dont think he has much interactions with pashtuns or even human beings.......these mummy daddy western pakistanis spend most of their life in front of computers.......individualistic and lonely lives......he needs to have some social life.

 

[A.Rafay]

@Safriz when will you learn...

He just gets a chance to peddle all this "we are oppressed" rubbish. Look at what karachiite just said. One operation... a casualty of innocent civilians and you can't divide him from the MQM for life.

I feel I am a toy soldier... thanks luffy and darkinsky for letting me do I can do nothing whatsoever to change things... God someone give me Naswar. I need it!

the guys who say we are oppressed' need naswar more than you so their mind could come to right place!

 

[haviZsultan]

Racial tension in this thread is not due to sher malang but our own fellow pakistanis who have hard time digesting that some one is posting pashtun related info on a pakistani forum. When i opened this thread, good-for-nothing think tank safriz immediately posted anti-pakhtun picture then deleted it after few minutes......

Complain about it and I will second you... how they passed by Secur and got Safriz instead? No offense safriz...

Perhaps they wanted members with different opinions in the think-tanks. Differing views make a forum rich. I am also annoyed with Safriz for becoming part of the ethnic issue.

I have voted for Hyperion to get him into junior think-tank. He will slap you for pro-afghan views as would any ghayyur pashtun when you express them but he is a lar Pashtun. One of us.

You can comment here and vote for him:
www.defence.pk/forums/suggestions-d...on-junior-think-tank-members.html#post3768492
@Safriz you aren't helping. I am 200% Pakistani nationalist... we tried years ago to completely destroy anything such as ethnic identity... it never happens. It was impossible. It didn't work internally within the organization nor will it work with 180 million people.

Whatever I am doing is for unity, is for Pakistani nationalism... I am just trying a new approach. For years we have defined nationalism wrongly... we have tried to quell ethnic identity completely and it has almost never worked. Its time to learn each others languages cultures and history... merge in such a manner that these ethnic lines are completely blurred.

There are other ways of dealing with the bigots Safriz. I hate these guys. You don't know who I was. I wasn't a Pakistani community leader for no reason...

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Complain about it and I will second you... how they passed by Secur and got Safriz instead? No offense safriz...

Perhaps they wanted members with different opinions in the think-tanks. Differing views make a forum rich. I am also annoyed with Safriz for becoming part of the ethnic issue.

I have voted for Hyperion to get him into junior think-tank. He will slap you for pro-afghan views as would any ghayyur pashtun when you express them but he is a lar Pashtun. One of us.

You can comment here and vote for him:
www.defence.pk/forums/suggestions-d...on-junior-think-tank-members.html#post3768492
@Safriz you aren't helping. I am 200% Pakistani nationalist... we tried years ago to completely destroy anything such as ethnic identity... it never happens. Whatever I am doing is for unity, is for Pakistani nationalism... I am just trying a new approach. For years we have defined nationalism wrongly... we have tried to quell ethnic identity completely and it has almost never worked. Its time to learn each others languages cultures and history... merge in such a manner that these ethnic lines are completely blurred.

There are other ways of dealing with the bigots Safriz. I hate these guys. You don't know who I was. I wasn't a Pakistani community leader for no reason...

Can you Guide me to file complaint against safriz as think tank? i dont know about this stuff...And i wont vote for hyperion just because he is a pashtun, there is nothing think tank about him, no offense intended

 

[Safriz]

Go get some life, go outside , breath some fresh air, dance in some night club, drink or whatever you want to do in U.K...........

Actually i remember the 'yawn fest' conversations i used to have with my Pushtoon school mates and college fellows in Abbottabad.
All their conversations would revolve around 'Hamara patanoon mein aisaa hota hai'. And 'he is such and such because he is a Pathan' as if being Pushtoon is a steroid.
Never would they creep out of their 'pushtoon shell' and have a normal conversation in which they dont whack their pushtoon identity on my face over and over again.
At times i used to get so annoyed by them attributing to the good things in them to them being Pathans,or mentioning their pushtoon identity repetively that i used to say to them that i know they are pushtoons,can they stop mentioning it over and over again?

Thats why my snide comment of 'obsessive compulsive identity crisis'.
You dont see this behavoiur in Punjabis or other ethnicities of Pakistan. While talking to a punjabi he wont bash his ethnic identity on your face,and try to have a general conversation.
@ Luffy,tell me honestly you dont do this? Dont you try to assert your ethnic identity even during normal conversation with non pushtoons?
Even when the conversation isnt about ethnicity at all.
Will write more tomorrow,from a different angle.

 

[haviZsultan]

the guys who say we are oppressed' need naswar more than you so their mind could come to right place!

I agree.... but what i can do? I try to counter them... i fight them every day... doing it for 7 days + now? Thanks to a beautiful peaceful vacation from book-writing and publisher-searching. Did it change anything... is there any single strand of sense in their pathetic minds now? Luffy was giving every indication he had changed... wasn't going to be racist and abandon all this loy Afghanistan... he went pashtunforums two minutes later and posts rubbish anti-pakistani comments.

I tried all my life to help Pakistani people... worked actively in the Pakistani community in Canada... the canadians lost their brain, Indians and Americans joined them and did us good-I took the fall... but what about our people-did they give a flying ****?... do we give a ****? I'm telling you these guys are basically now masters of framing innocent Pakistanis on false charges. That massive toronto plot was a lie of the century... if you don't believe me ask those kids families and the kids themselves.

Its a shitty situation. Karachite thinks he has been wronged what the hell about us? Didn't we lose people in India? And now Pakistan for which we sacrifice everything and will continue to do so is in this state? We are too divided and I will say clearly though this may hurt any patriotic person but we are in total, absolute decline thanks to our mindset.

No matter how hard i struggle for Pakistan... I will never be able to do anything. Who does when he's sick anyway.

 

[Safriz]

About reporting,obviously if you think my comments are racist,you can report.
But in my opinion,my comments are based on my real life observations and highlight existing issues with Pushtoons of Pakistan.
The points i raise,i am not making them up,or am i?

 

[haviZsultan]

About reporting,obviously if you think my comments are racist,you can report.
But in my opinion,my comments are based on my real life observations and highlight existing issues with Pushtoons of Pakistan.
The points i raise,i am not making them up,or am i?

I think everyone should take it easy... when someone criticizes another race constantly it gives people like a Luffy an opportunity to use the race card to rally people and claim he has been oppressed.

Take me. I am by birth a muhajir... adopted Pashtun race... even I don't go far and criticize Bacha Khan and ANP though people who know my nationalist side know perfectly how I am about Pakistan and the Pakistani cause. So if even I am not criticizing them then how are you.

Leave this to the people from the ethnic group... those punjabis you are talking about... i believe what they did was good. Self-deprecation is very good and i think it is a duty to look into issues... no one can beat what i call the victim syndrome in my report on ethnic issues other than members of the ethnic group concerned. It won't matter what anyone else says. I hope you understand how grave the situation is and don't become a part of the issue by becoming defensive of your own ethnicity and aggressive towards theirs. Its what they thrive on. Luffy will be having multiple orgasms right now. Don't give them the pleasure unless you have a solid ability to counter them and know their history. Please.

Pashtuns are not your enemy, Safriz... if you get pleasure from hearing it I call myself Pashtun and will try to learn Hindko. Lets unite... not divide or the gratification these Sher Malangs and outsiders will feel will be too great to mention.

 

[Safriz]

@haviz.
I respest your intentions.
But sorry i dont live in narnia,i live in real world,and in real world's real Pakistan we are not united and racism among us is a real world issue,and should be discussed.