Shall PN lease China's SSBN/SSN for deterence as India has got Akula?

[Alfa-Fighter]

Well , to be very Practical, don't talk fantasy thing. China cant leave nuclear sub
a) China cant give their nuclear secrets in the hand of America, Any lease of nuclear sub to Pak means , its go to US.

PAK given US secret to China and can give China secret to US , so china dont tryst Pak on this.

b) China gave PAK , 1st Gen. Nuclear Bomb Design and it gone to Many country and exposer causes china a big embarrassment. which make china that , it cannot trust PAK on this.


if any one has any other reason to prove these two point wrong then Discuses..

 

[Norboo]

You are serious right? Read the assessment by the Pentagon released post Bombay attacks. The Indian military will never have the balance tilted in its favor. The sheer distance with Pakistan doesn't make that scenario work. India may have huge conventional assets but the next war won't be conventional. That is for sure. Pakistanis are not stupid to wait and get beat up. India may think that the balance is 'tilting' in its favor but I think Pakistan's strategy is nukes and all out. It makes sense also it is CRAZY logic. They think that they in a prolonged war, they'll lose a BIG chunk of their country due to the lack of strategic depth and the size of the Indian army and air force. More than likely, in a prolonged conventional war, they also know that they might lose their nukes due to constant attacks too......to avoid a check mate.....they'll use their nukes. There is a reason as to why they have a fastest growing arsenal of these weapons.

You're talking like a kid straight out of primary school. The fact is that India is far ahead in conventional terms and the balance of power is weighed heavily in favor of India. Period!

The next war will NEVER be a nuclear war! Get that into your head. No one in their right minds is going to use nukes. These are just for deterrent purposes, a doctrine called MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). It's just a 'threat of use', nothing more.

But even that 'threat' fell flat during Kargil! So go get some education and do some research on initiation of nuclear war and its effects - military, geopolitical and geostrategic before babbling.

And don't forget the effects of a nuclear war on the environment affecting generations to come. I wonder why you guys speak of a nuclear war with such gay abandon? Illiteracy seems rife in your part of the world or you would have thought twice before writing this BS.

 

[Secur]

Good for you, But do not ignorantly threaten with Nukes as Pakistan itself is at loss.

Good for you too since we will continue the same in the future ! What loss are you talking about , though ? The time when you thought you can threaten Pakistan and bring us to your terms and a single warning from Gen.Musharraf was enough to get your troops off the border ...

 

[Secur]

You're talking like a kid straight out of primary school. The fact is that India is far ahead in conventional terms and the balance of power is weighed heavily in favor of India. Period!

The next war will NEVER be a nuclear war! Get that into your head. No one in their right minds is going to use nukes. These are just for deterrent purposes, a doctrine called MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). It's just a 'threat of use', nothing more.

But even that 'threat' fell flat during Kargil! So go get some education and do some research on initiation of nuclear war and its effects - military, geopolitical and geostrategic before babbling.

Agreed , that is where the nukes come into play to neutralize any Indian advantage

Really ? Can you guarantee that ? Cross a certain threshold and you will witness what the determined Pakistanis can do ... The threat of use was enough for you to threaten , mobilize and then back off in '02 standoff while losing 800+ soldiers in the process without us firing a single shot ...

Did it ? Did your army dare cross the LOC or the International border ? So ?

The simple thing is " If we are going down , then everybody is " ... Do not forget it , ever !

 

[Secur]

Well , to be very Practical, don't talk fantasy thing. China cant leave nuclear sub
a) China cant give their nuclear secrets in the hand of America, Any lease of nuclear sub to Pak means , its go to US.

PAK given US secret to China and can give China secret to US , so china dont tryst Pak on this.

b) China gave PAK , 1st Gen. Nuclear Bomb Design and it gone to Many country and exposer causes china a big embarrassment. which make china that , it cannot trust PAK on this.

Funny an Indian advising Chinese how to deal with Pakistanis ...

a) Who told you that ? Indian media perhaps ?

b) What caused some embarrassment ? Every country proliferated nuclear tech to another , kid ... Research how the world became nuclear and then talk about things which do not understand nothing about ...

 

[laiqs@mi]

Well , to be very Practical, don't talk fantasy thing. China cant leave nuclear sub
a) China cant give their nuclear secrets in the hand of America, Any lease of nuclear sub to Pak means , its go to US.

PAK given US secret to China and can give China secret to US , so china dont tryst Pak on this.

 

[Secur]

It doesn't matter PN operates 1 or 5 SSBM. Only one will destroy once for all. They have to afford it when they face devastating threat.

Exactly ! One would be enough for us ... Most of the members do not understand what nuclear subs are for ... The inclusion of Akula in the IN doesn't change anything or post a threat to us ... We already have enough nuke delivery systems to neutralize any of the advantage ... So , while I appreciate this thread from you , the answer is no ... It isn't the need of the hour ...

 

[mjnaushad]

ANS. NO

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[batmannow]

yes sure!

 

[Alphacharlie]

Exactly ! One would be enough for us ... Most of the members do not understand what nuclear subs are for ... The inclusion of Akula in the IN doesn't change anything or post a threat to us ... We already have enough nuke delivery systems to neutralize any of the advantage ... So , while I appreciate this thread from you , the answer is no ... It isn't the need of the hour ...

Good Morning Please wake up. Your last Naval Chief was talking otherways on Charka

 

[Viper0011.]

You're talking like a kid straight out of primary school. The fact is that India is far ahead in conventional terms and the balance of power is weighed heavily in favor of India. Period!

The next war will NEVER be a nuclear war! Get that into your head. No one in their right minds is going to use nukes. These are just for deterrent purposes, a doctrine called MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). It's just a 'threat of use', nothing more.

But even that 'threat' fell flat during Kargil! So go get some education and do some research on initiation of nuclear war and its effects - military, geopolitical and geostrategic before babbling.

And don't forget the effects of a nuclear war on the environment affecting generations to come. I wonder why you guys speak of a nuclear war with such gay abandon? Illiteracy seems rife in your part of the world or you would have thought twice before writing this BS.

Did you even read both of my posts? This is where it gets so annoying with folks like you. Go reread what I wrote. I've already put it in multiple times the conventional superiority of the Indian forces. The only fact is, that might have an impact on Sri Lanka, Iran, Bangladesh, and other countries but Pakistan. One of the reasons are JUST due to the fact of the borders being shared.
I am not going to waste any more of my time on this. I would recommend that you ask someone who's served in the military (pretty much anywhere in a strategic role). Let them read my posts and yours. I'll let another expert draw an opinion. You live in a world of fake psychological superiority that when woken up to the reality, feels short of total embarrassment and stupidity.

 

[MilSpec]

I admire the zeal and enthusiasm of pak members here to deter Indian Defence activities. I wonder why no such moves are to counter in other fields; say education counter IIT's, IIM's and REC's of India, or business sector counter TCS, Infosys, Relaincse, L&T of India, or in automotive counter TATA, Mahindra etc of India, or Infrastructure/energy counter Railways, SAIL, ONGC, IOCL of India, or in marine sector counter GSRE, KSL, Pipavav etc.

Such counters would prove much more effiecent than a china made submarine.

 

[batmannow]

I admire the zeal and enthusiasm of pak members here to deter Indian Defence activities. I wonder why no such moves are to counter in other fields; say education counter IIT's, IIM's and REC's of India, or business sector counter TCS, Infosys, Relaincse, L&T of India, or in automotive counter TATA, Mahindra etc of India, or Infrastructure/energy counter Railways, SAIL, ONGC, IOCL of India, or in marine sector counter GSRE, KSL, Pipavav etc.


Such counters would prove much more effiecent than a china made submarine.

but still we cant counter millions of slumps of india! anyway.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

I admire the zeal and enthusiasm of pak members here to deter Indian Defence activities. I wonder why no such moves are to counter in other fields; say education counter IIT's, IIM's and REC's of India, or business sector counter TCS, Infosys, Relaincse, L&T of India, or in automotive counter TATA, Mahindra etc of India, or Infrastructure/energy counter Railways, SAIL, ONGC, IOCL of India, or in marine sector counter GSRE, KSL, Pipavav etc.

Such counters would prove much more effiecent than a china made submarine.

u mean civilian fanboys!!!!

 

[kurup]

Leasing of nuke subs from china maynot be that easy considering the fact that china doesnot have enough for their own use.

But since PN has already declared that they are making their own nuke sub , it will be safe to assume that they will be getting assistance from china.