Can anyone tell me why India and Pakistan don’t get along?

[pk_baloch]

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[AnnoyingOrange]

Pathanon ki dushmaniyan to kayee kayee sau saal rehti hein - abhi to siraf 65 saal hi huey hein.

Aagay aagay dekhiye hota hai kya.

Pathano ne Dushmani ke chalte apna hi ghar jala rakha hai...age ab dekhne ko kya rakh hai.

 

[pk_baloch]

You have been given this answer numerous times. Ancient history of Sindh and Punjab is the history of India, when Punjabis-Sindhis of India don't have issues with it nor the non-Punjabi,non-Sindhi have any issues, why should I listen to you. we don't have identity crisis to prove ourselves different from our neighbour.

how many times should i tell u ?? hindu ,hindustan all these names were given to u after a long time .....there was no bharat ,hindusium etc.....there were only touchable and non-touchable(caste system)........

between u should have learnt what buddha guatam taught u then claim of IVC as ur own

 

[harpoon]

They are following a religion, not inheriting a civilization. I don't know of any Muslim country in the world that claims to be the only true inheritor of any such civilization.

The golden period of Islmaic civilization was based in Baghdad now under modern Iraq..does not make other non-Iraqi Muslims outsiders and have no claim over this civilization?

Also does that make non-PRC Chinese (we even have some in India), non-Chinese and they have no right over the Chinese civilization based in yellow river.

Does that make non-Greek, Italian Westerner, a non-Westerner and they have no claim over the Western Civilization based out of this ancient places.

Capital may be in India but major center of trade for Mughals was in Lahore

And Taj Mahal isnt 90%

Whatever we have far too many Mogul structures under the jurisdiction of Republic of India than Islamic republic of Pakistan.

 

[zynga]

anyway i am glad the mughals are out and buried . and the muslim rule is out of india. hopefully slowly the imperial islamic empire founded by mohammad will slowly die out soon. and all thoose 1.6 billion and billion who have been fooled over 1500 years will realise it has nothing to do with god but only to do with empire building.
mecca is designated by the arab as a centre and till today they are reaping religious tourism rewards from gullible people all over the world who were foced and coerced into the empire of islam.

 

[Icewolf]

anyway i am glad the mughals are out and buried . and the muslim rule is out of india. hopefully slowly the imperial islamic empire founded by mohammad will slowly die out soon.

Well I cant say anything about decreasing as there are more than 50 Muslim countries, and they are getting richer and richer, and Islam is the second biggest religion, but your comment is highly offensive to Indian Muslims and other Muslims. If you want to stay on this forum for more than 10 minutes, I suggest you give respect to Pakistan's dominant religion, thanks.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The golden period of Islmaic civilization was based in Baghdad now under modern Iraq..does not make other non-Iraqi Muslims outsiders and have no claim over this civilization?

Also does that make non-PRC Chinese (we even have some in India), non-Chinese and they have no right over the Chinese civilization based in yellow river.

Does that make non-Greek, Italian Westerner, a non-Westerner and they have no claim over the Western Civilization based out of this ancient places.

Whatever we have far too many Mogul structures under the jurisdiction of Republic of India than Islamic republic of Pakistan.

Following a religion is something anyone can do.

Being the legitimate inheritor of a civilization is not.

For example, Sweden could decide to follow Islam one day, and I don't think you'll find any Muslims in the world who have a problem with that. Anyone can choose to follow a religion.

However, if Sweden started claiming they were the true inheritors of the Chinese Yellow River Civilization (or the Ancient Egyptian Civilization), that would be a completely different ball game, and no one would believe it.

 

[zynga]

Well I cant say anything about decreasing as there are more than 50 Muslim countries, and they are getting richer and richer, and Islam is the second biggest religion, but your comment is highly offensive to Indian Muslims and other Muslims. If you want to stay on this forum for more than 10 minutes, I suggest you give respect to Pakistan's dominant religion, thanks.

pakistans dominant religion of terrorism doesnt get respect anywhere

Following a religion is something anyone can do.

Being the legitimate inheritor of a civilization is not.

For example, Sweden could decide to follow Islam one day, and I don't think you'll find any Muslims in the world who have a problem with that. Anyone can choose to follow a religion.

However, if Sweden started claiming they were the true inheritors of the Chinese Yellow River Civilization (or the Ancient Egyptian Civilization), that would be a completely different ball game, and no one would believe it.

then why pakistani want to follow arab civilization i dont understand.
also you are wrong.. if a muslim wants to follow christianity he will be killed.

 

[harpoon]

Following a religion is something anyone can do.

Being the legitimate inheritor of a civilization is not.

For example, Sweden could decide to follow Islam one day, and I don't think you'll find any Muslims in the world who have a problem with that. Anyone can choose to follow a religion.

However, if Sweden started claiming they were the true inheritors of the Chinese Yellow River Civilization (or the Ancient Egyptian Civilization), that would be a completely different ball game, and no one would believe it.

Where I mentioned religion in my last post. I am asking you whether or not Indian Chinese have any right over the Yellow River Chinese Civilization.

As for being legitimate inheritors..we Indians here never claimed that we alone is the one but its the Pakistanis who claim that we have no right to it because it comes under Pakistan's jurisdiction. If thats the case the Japanese owned Chinese Civilization for a short period in the early 20 th century when they captured many cities along Yellow River Basin.

A line drawn in sand in 1947 cannot change history dating back thousands of years.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Where I mentioned religion in my last post. I am asking you whether or not Indian Chinese have any right over the Yellow River Chinese Civilization.

Do they self-identify as Chinese?

Have any of their ancestors lived in China? Do they share any cultural/ethnic/linguistic connections with the Chinese identity?

If so, then maybe. If they don't have the above, they'll have to come and apply for citizenship.

 

[neutral_person]

Following a religion is something anyone can do.

Being the legitimate inheritor of a civilization is not.

For example, Sweden could decide to follow Islam one day, and I don't think you'll find any Muslims in the world who have a problem with that. Anyone can choose to follow a religion.

However, if Sweden started claiming they were the true inheritors of the Chinese Yellow River Civilization (or the Ancient Egyptian Civilization), that would be a completely different ball game, and no one would believe it.

I believe my earlier post might answer your question:

Firstly, this is mostly a nonsense debate going on, the difference between Pakistan and India is the difference between Dharmic (native Indian subcontinent religions like Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism) and Islamic religious values and cultures. Bringing in needless things like race, ethnicity, ancient empires, language, genetics, etc really makes no sense and unnecessarily complicates an issue which is pretty straightforward. A simple litmus test would be that is Pakistan today were to turn 100% Hindu, or conversely India today would turn 100% Muslim, then would we still be separate nations? Or would there be calls from both sides to unify? I think that it would be the latter.

To Pakistanis saying that IVC belong to them due to genetical links, simple research would show you the fact that the IVC completely disappeared from the face of the Earth and that is even today one of the biggest mysteries of History. Many Historians claim that this happened because the ancient rivers in the Civilization areas dried up due to climate change. There are two theories as to what happened with the IVC in general after its demise in Pakistan, Northern India and Western India (as well as parts of Iran and Afghanistan):

1) They moved further East to (central, East) India, and continued their civilization in the Gangetic plains. Some historians point to the fact that some idols that were worshipped in the IVC were later worshipped in the Gangetic plains, which indicate a migration pattern.

2) They completely died off the thee droughts due to climate change and there is no "descendent" of IVC in this world.

 

[mastiksoul]

anyway i am glad the mughals are out and buried . and the muslim rule is out of india. hopefully slowly the imperial islamic empire founded by mohammad will slowly die out soon. and all thoose 1.6 billion and billion who have been fooled over 1500 years will realise it has nothing to do with god but only to do with empire building.
mecca is designated by the arab as a centre and till today they are reaping religious tourism rewards from gullible people all over the world who were foced and coerced into the empire of islam.

You Sound like a F**king fanatic who seem to generalise Islam with muguls and terrorism every time.

 

[harpoon]

Do they self-identify as Chinese?

Have any of their ancestors lived in China? Do they share any cultural/ethnic/linguistic connections with the Chinese identity?

If so, then maybe. If they don't have the above, they'll have to come and apply for citizenship.

So you are saying that India/Malayasian/Indonesian/SG/US/UK or where ever the Chinese have emigrated in the past have no right over the Yellow Basin Chinese Civilization just bcs now the above said region comes under the control of PRC.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So you are saying that India/Malayasian/Indonesian/SG/US/UK or where ever the Chinese have emigrated in the past have no right over the Yellow Basin Chinese Civilization just bcs now the above said region comes under the control of PRC.

That's not what I said.

If they call themselves Chinese rather than Indian, and have some actual linkage to China, then sure they have a right to it.

 

[Pride]

I wonder why the Indians always try to say that they are the inheritors of the IVC, which was the cradle of civilization in South Asia.

Since the Indus Valley Civilization existed almost entirely within modern-day Pakistan.

Same as how the Yellow River was the birthplace of Chinese civilization. If it existed entirely within another country, how could we claim to be the true inheritors of that civilization?

And you think some borders changed and people migrated suddenly made the claim of a civilization entirely by those in which maximum are not aligned with the thoughts of IVC?