PAF can counter India’s new war doctrine, says air chief

[Skull and Bones]

Just buy S-400 and S-500 (in the future) from Russia and place it near the border, and you can enforce no fly zone in Pakistan the moment you want.

 

[Nitin Goyal]

wrong circular argument lol

when the gapping hole is created, the Indian doctrine is defeated already. and even if India is forced to prevent PAF from countering India's original design that indirectly serves the purpose of PAF.. which was to stop the IAF from executing its mission in its original form in the first place.

... hence the PAF chiefs claim



read again what I am saying, if you still dont get it then dont worry about it

you didn't get the drift...

We can afford to have failure...can PAF afford to have single failure .. Dynamics of war changes very quickly in a war... India holds the card

 

[Secur]

Just buy S-400 and S-500 (in the future) from Russia and place it near the border, and you can enforce no fly zone in Pakistan the moment you want.

So by placing some air defense systems in your country , you will enforce no fly zone in other country ... Why didn't NATO ever think of that ?

 

[sputnik]

interesting


thanks for the information .
but I must confess that I didnt see a single news where IAF provided air support to Northern Alliance army in the initial phase of the NATO invasion.

Lol... Just because it airbase, it should have fighter planes. Hell No. Neither we provided any air cover to NA. From this very place we provided logistic support to NA. Possible in winter season hellos are used for supplies . India control only half of the air base. And we do pay a good amount for the same. Initially when started Russians helped us.they were providing to NA all support. India was purchasing NA's requirements from Russia and CIs and providing to them

 

[Manticore]

the idea is to have cost effective ''comparable'' technology and to couple it with force multipliers like standoff weapons , awacs and air-refuellers to provide better situational awareness and deep strike capability--- what nabil meant was that both india and pak fly a mix of 3rd/4th gen fighters and both countries are trying to increase the number of 4rth gen fighters in there own way--- so at the end of the day , there wont be a major ''generation gap'' in the capabilities of the 2 countries , required for the aggressor to completely annihilate the opposing side

 

[Secur]

you didn't get the drift...

We can afford to have failure...can PAF afford to have single failure .. Dynamics of war changes very quickly in a war... India holds the card

Just like India , yes ... Prove otherwise ...

 

[Hello_10]

You are yet another Indian who has failed to see the follow up posts after the post you quoted and you decided to give your verdict. Since you wont go back what is said already by not only Pakistanis but also by some Indians like Sandy so I will respond for your benefit.



doesn’t apply given its role and strategy. Our Multi role fighters are specially adapted & chosen to counter IAF doctrine


again doesn’t apply because the object is not to copy IAF. But to counter its objectives. Read my sentence again if the penny hasn’t dropped yet.



Again, doesn’t apply. We are not copying you. PA just intends to break the front teeth of the IAF that are within the reach of our planes and that will mean IAF wont be able to smile without exposing the gapping hole. Rest is covered by our ground hugging cruise missiles.




Our air and ground assets that make up the air defence command are more than adequate for our offensive defence strategy and to counter whatever IAF is cooking behind the scene. Remember we are not planning any deep strikes with planes. Your forward air force bases are within our range of our planes and if needed the rest is covered by our cruise missiles. don’t be too one dimensional in your thinking.

When it comes to defence of our airspace don’t forget our SAMs and all other ground based hardware that compliments our airborne units to thwart IAF assault.

By the time I will post this. Someone would have quoted the same post from nabil yet again without bothering to go through the rest of the pages.

---------- Post added at 10:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:33 PM ----------



Nabil, Windjammer, Sapper? do you guys have any info on that?

thats news for me

Boss, as per I know, PAF has around 100 F16s and only 18 of them are of block 52 and rest are block 15 only? And only 60 J17s they have and rest only Mirage 3 rose upgrades are little bit credible but most of its users have retired it. So, how many F16s and Jf17s + J10s, the PAF will have by 2015, say?
(On Wikipedia, I can see only Pakistan and 1-2 very poor African countries only use Mirage 3 & 5 rest have retired them.)

List of aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dassault Mirage III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_5#Operators

What exactly I would like to know, how many F16s does Pakistan get from US every year and how many JF17s they produce every year? As India is getting around 33 Su30MKI and 9 Mig29k every year, total '42' in 2012 (excluding many other upgrading of aircrafts and purchase of other weapons). here, the latest version of Mig29k being delivered for Indian aircraft carriers are also believed to be fit in comparison with F16 block 52 while it is claimed that SU30MKI are little upper side than block 52. Then in comparison, how many F16s block52 and JF17s does PAF also get every year? Do PAF has any plan to upgrade their 82 F16s block15 to block52 standard?

Among them, one of the highest value end of the year was undoubtedly the Russian deliveries to the Indian Navy, “Admiral Gorshkov” aircraft carrier. For modernization of the cost of the ship has been changed several times and eventually freeze-frame 23.4 billion. The second major deal between Russia and India for the delivery of two 1135.6 frigate, with a total value of about $ 1 billion. Russia ranked third in the transaction in January this year for the Indian Navy to lease a 971-type submarines. According to the latest news, the amount of the transaction will involve up to $ 920 million.

Russia and India according to finalize the delivery schedule, Russia will be delivered to India in 2012, more 40 m-17V-5 type of military transport helicopters, 21 Su-30MKI (signed in 2000, according to contract to license the assembly), 12 Su-30MKI (according to the 2007 supply contracts signed) and nine carrier-based fighter aircraft MiG -29K/KUB. In addition, this year, Russia and India will continue serving on the Indian MiG-29 fighter jets, Figure -142 patrol aircraft, helicopters Mi-17 upgrade and maintenance of 877EM submarine contract. At the same time, Russia will provide card-31 shipborne helicopters, AL-55-and TRDD-50MT engine, “club-S” anti-ship missile systems, Mi-17 helicopter training simulator, the assembly authorized the Indian T-90S a series of main battle tanks and other contracts.

be noted that, with a number of major sales contracts, the United States from 2013 to replace Russia as India’s largest source of arms for the country. The United States plans to provide arms and equipment to India, including P-8I anti-submarine patrol aircraft, C-17A large military transport aircraft, AH-64D “Longbow” helicopters. The correlation between the US-India arms contract will be implemented between 2013-2015.

http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/72568

 

[Nitin Goyal]

PAf doesn't have 100 f-16

 

[Skull and Bones]

So by placing some air defense systems in your country , you will enforce no fly zone in other country ... Why didn't NATO ever think of that ?

You missed 'near the border' part, and forgot to google the range of those SAMs. And NATO don't use Russian SAMs.

Adios

 

[Secur]

You missed 'near the border' part, and forgot to google the range of those SAMs. And NATO don't use Russian SAMs.

Adios

Ok even at the border What is the range of S-400 ? ... I never said NATO needs to use Russians SAMS , they have their own very capable systems ...

 

[Manticore]

PAF F-16s are getting customized rather than standard MLU-3 or MLU-4
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...6-mlu-specifications-36-blk-52-prospects.html


32 blk 15
14 embargoed-transferred later blk 15 ocu [Operational Capability Upgrade]
01 attrition
45 to undergo mlu
18 blk 52 delivered
18 blk 52 option
14 blk 40 from EDA stocks/ originally embargoed being negotiated
------
i hope the numbers are correct

the capability of these mlu-ed fighters is very colse to the blk52+ ofcourse minus the inherent longer range and cft carrying capability of the new blk52+ ---- the major breakthrough came when paf bought 500 aim120c5 which is the probably the biggest transaction of bvrs by the u.s to any country

 

[Skull and Bones]

Ok even at the border What is the range of S-400 ? ... I never said NATO needs to use Russians SAMS , they have their own very capable systems ...

Russia advertises the Range of S-400 at the range at around 400 km with flight ceiling at 185 km, and can intercept Ballistic missiles. And S-500 has said to be a range of more than 600 km, and development will be completed by early next year. the S-500 would be able to detect and simultaneously engage up to 10 ballistic supersonic targets flying at a speed of 7 km/s and will have a flight ceiling of 40 km.

Russian defense ministry might be trolling though.

 

[Hello_10]

PAf doesn't have 100 f-16

sir I also heard PAF has around 60 F16s and 40 JF17 only but my first source of information is wikipedia and whatever people update there, I say correct

 

[Secur]

Russia advertises the Range of S-400 at the range at around 400 km with flight ceiling at 185 km, and can intercept Ballistic missiles.

Go back to the drawing board and remind yourself what purpose are SAMS really for ...

How much would one missile cost and why wont the adversary be able to react ?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Lol... Just because it airbase, it should have fighter planes. Hell No. Neither we provided any air cover to NA. From this very place we provided logistic support to NA. Possible in winter season hellos are used for supplies . India control only half of the air base. And we do pay a good amount for the same. Initially when started Russians helped us.they were providing to NA all support. India was purchasing NA's requirements from Russia and CIs and providing to them

My reaction was to this post

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...ar-doctrine-says-air-chief-8.html#post2602078

hence I said that was news for me. you didnt contradict the MIg29 part before like you are doing now.
and by the way what you are saying now is interesting. I know about the Indian involvement once the new Afghan government was firmly in place but didnt know at the time of the conflict.
sorry lets leave it at it for now as it will drag us off topic. maybe this can be discussed in a separate thread.

my reason to quote the original post was to see the significance of this base re IAF war doctrine (not what it did in Afghanistan during the invasion)