PAF quickly put bases on high alert.

[VCheng]

well by gay i meant disabled....dont take it personally.....but you are a sef defeatist just like hassan nisar and naveen naqvi the old model.........american air defence slept for 10 minutes to allow second and third plane to hit tower and pentagon...americans cant foil taleban attacks....what makes u think they will foil a supersonic ballistic missile?there is no missile shield in afghanistan.....no point in arguing with you.....since you are bent on defending american imperialism ...but who cares...those who care do know how to defend the homeland

hello, its not worth replying to some members, he can well be an american pretending to be born in pakistan, even chinese members from the states dont behave so pro lackey american like this dude does

Can we please stay on the topic of this thread? Thanks!

 

[Jango]

1) If you know there are 5 F-18s waiting for you flying with an AWAC, what could you do? Those were detected.
2) After the detection, the ADA was alerted.
3) How can you expect the radars to pick a STEALTH chopper? Thats what STEALTH is.
4) If F-16s were sent to fight the F-18s, PAF was scared of any F-22 near Pakistan-Afghanistan border, which might lead to worse situation.

Before you critise someone or something, have total knowledge of what happened, and what would have happen if Step1 was taken and what the results would be if Step2 was taken. This has to be researched over in a limited time, hence taking the safe game.

there are no F-22 stationed in afghanistan,

there were 4 pakistani bases in the route from afghan border area to abbotabad, they did get to know someone had intruded, but as soon as they found out they were yanks, they pulled out,

Do you think that the person sitting at the main gate of the PMA will not report to the duty officer and tell him that helis are there and explosions are going off, and according to one of my friends who lives in PMA, he said that there was no electricity at PMA for 6 hours beore the op and during it.

I think a inquiry should be put up to investigate the living of OBL in abbotabad, not the intrusion by YANKS, because that happens all day by drones.

 

[*Awan*]

This is bullshit.
it is in sop of PAF that a fighter plane will be in air with 2 minutes of notification.Some say it was jamming.According to some PAF official jamming itself act as a alarm.
So my dear some one who is very powerful pull the strings.how the hell it is possible that American took 40 min to came 40 min for operation and 40 min for returning but we did locate teir planes,helis.at the time of operation we did not figure who were they?
and to all liberals,fascists,secularists give answer to my questions,by which face you are defending the American raid?is north korea and iran are more strong than us?some say if we intercept there helis they have destroyed the PAF.i say for what we have made missiles.why not we destroy india and israel.by God if seriously threaten to destroy the third temple before its creation all the neocons and zionists sitting in Pentagon and white house come to their senses.

 

[Zabaniyah]

You guys might wanna have a look at this, it's an interesting read:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/119595-u-s-using-electronic-warfare-attack-waves.html

Maybe that's partly how they got through your defenses. The F-18 Growler is indeed a gorgeous machine.

Some say that the Blackhawks used during the operations were stealth versions.

Mission helo was secret stealth Black Hawk - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

This is bullshit.
it is in sop of PAF that a fighter plane will be in air with 2 minutes of notification.Some say it was jamming.According to some PAF official jamming itself act as a alarm.
So my dear some one who is very powerful pull the strings.how the hell it is possible that American took 40 min to came 40 min for operation and 40 min for returning but we did locate teir planes,helis.at the time of operation we did not figure who were they?
and to all liberals,fascists,secularists give answer to my questions,by which face you are defending the American raid?is north korea and iran are more strong than us?some say if we intercept there helis they have destroyed the PAF.i say for what we have made missiles.why not we destroy india and israel.by God if seriously threaten to destroy the third temple before its creation all the neocons and zionists sitting in Pentagon and white house come to their senses.

A very interesting post, if nothing else.

Destroy all?

If it were so easy, it would have been long ago, without your goading!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

You guys might wanna have a look at this, it's an interesting read:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/119595-u-s-using-electronic-warfare-attack-waves.html

Maybe that's partly how they got through your defenses. The F-18 Growler is indeed a gorgeous machine.

Some say that the Blackhawks used during the operations were stealth versions.

Mission helo was secret stealth Black Hawk - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

Thanks.

Your Thank button was missing.

The US use of Growlers was very interesting.

 

[*Awan*]

I think a inquiry should be put up to investigate the living of OBL in abbotabad, not the intrusion by YANKS, because that happens all day by drones.

first of all what is the proof that osama was there?American president?but did not he also said that rd was a diplomat.raid?as you mentioned why there was no electricity?why PAF remain grounded? my dear within 5 min of operation our people sealed off the region but there was no reaction from PA.the only thing that give authenticity to claim that osama was in A'BOD was his wives and children.
does not it is possible that American drop his wives and children via helis.After all how intel agencies work.
there was no transport on the road on that night.according to my friend in 2005 a AQ member was caught from same compound but his arrest was shown as he was arrested from mardan.
i personally think kutti choron se milli hoi thi.
some one at very highest post either in army or govt authorized this operation.whole operation was a setup.
anyone who listened to locals never gona believe on official story.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

Brother why iran and north korea r not stronger then us but we have ppl they tend to defend u.s and try to make us scare of u.s might and this is wat encouraged the americans to take that step. And Who is saying that we have shot those helis down we could have let them land in our territory why intercepting them means shooting them down i m no army guy and it they refuse then it is another story?

I believe this is a crime which was committed against pakistan by the knowledge of all pakistani authorities ( political top classs and foj )

TARIQ

 

[Jango]

first of all what is the proof that osama was there?American president?but did not he also said that rd was a diplomat.raid?as you mentioned why there was no electricity?why PAF remain grounded? my dear within 5 min of operation our people sealed off the region but there was no reaction from PA.the only thing that give authenticity to claim that osama was in A'BOD was his wives and children.
does not it is possible that American drop his wives and children via helis.After all how intel agencies work.
there was no transport on the road on that night.according to my friend in 2005 a AQ member was caught from same compound but his was shown that he was arrested from mardan.
i personally think kutti choron se milli hoi thi.
some one at very highest post either in army or govt authorized this operation.whole operation was a setup.
anyone who listened to locals never gona believe on official story.

do you think that pasha is such a stooge that he will offer resignation to parliament, although it was a farce, if OBL was not there, we caught his wives and children, they are confirming this, al qaeda is confirming this, they are fighting for a new leader, the US is cutting our aid because of this, and you still not believe this???.

our planes were not grounded for you information.

And i have been observing your posts, and they are all very emotional and written without any sense and full of dreams. Get your facts right first. And who is the guy on your avatar?

 

[*Awan*]

do you think that pasha is such a stooge that he will offer resignation to parliament, although it was a farce,

Kiyani and pasha are very loyal people.pasha offered his resignation under very harsh criticism and pressure.what do you think if pm accepts his resignation and when every thing settles down does he will have any place to run?what if zardari or gilani took the shot?

if OBL was not there, we caught his wives and children, they are confirming this,

i asked please consider it as a possibility.there are many reports that osama was dead some where around 2005.and some say in 2001.
why you not considering it as a possibility that there was no osama and Americans leave his children and wives in that compound via helis.

if osama was there and we dont know that he was there then please help me in understanding this
before the operation who warn the locals to stay in homes and turn off their lights?
when American heli crashed 200 locals went into that compound.after that some of that get disappeared and then pop up after one-two days.some of them are not allowed to meet to media and make other contacts.
who was doing all these things?

al qaeda is confirming this, they are fighting for a new leader,

confirmation came from yamen.and my dear believe me i know more than you about the internal politics of yamen.
Aq was only in south.saleh was using them as excuse to remain power (to gain support of west and America).now there are reports that yanks also want to invade yamen because there was Aq.what America get by invading yamen
ans:port of ADEN and oil
and by the way there is not a single muslim organization which is not penetrated by jews and americans.

the US is cutting our aid because of this, and you still not believe this???.

not because of this.because we refused there orders.because we are not doing enough.because we are not going in NW.
after all when we arrested some army men why americans feel so much pain?

our planes were not grounded for you information.

well our so called top brass thought that it was attack on our nuclear installations.

And i have been observing your posts, and they are all very emotional and written without any sense and full of dreams. Get your facts right first.

thanks for pointing.i will do my best to rectify the short comings.

And who is the guy on your avatar?

Ahmed Yasin

 

[Jango]

Kiyani and pasha are very loyal people.pasha offered his resignation under very harsh criticism and pressure.what do you think if pm accepts his resignation and when every thing settles down does he will have any place to run?what if zardari or gilani took the shot?


i asked please consider it as a possibility.there are many reports that osama was dead some where around 2005.and some say in 2001.
why you not considering it as a possibility that there was no osama and Americans leave his children and wives in that compound via helis.

if osama was there and we dont know that he was there then please help me in understanding this
before the operation who warn the locals to stay in homes and turn off their lights?
when American heli crashed 200 locals went into that compound.after that some of that get disappeared and then pop up after one-two days.some of them are not allowed to meet to media and make other contacts.
who was doing all these things?

confirmation came from yamen.and my dear believe me i know more than you about the internal politics of yamen.
Aq was only in south.saleh was using them as excuse to remain power (to gain support of west and America).now there are reports that yanks also want to invade yamen because there was Aq.what America get by invading yamen
ans:port of ADEN and oil
and by the way there is not a single muslim organization which is not penetrated by jews and americans.


not because of this.because we refused there orders.because we are not doing enough.because we are not going in NW.
after all when we arrested some army men why americans feel so much pain?



well our so called top brass thought that it was attack on our nuclear installations.


thanks for pointing.i will do my best to rectify the short comings.

Ahmed Yasin

appreciate your sense full reply!!,,,,,now, it could be anything, although i also think that it was a farce that yanks throw OBL in the indian ocean , but show saddam publicly.

who told you the bolded part????

 

[*Awan*]

who told you the bolded part????

you dont get it.
when there was too much pressure on army and air force that 'why they did not intercepted the helis",in those days pro army journalists also get active.in order to nullify the public pressure one the columnist wrote that our army chief thought it was attack on nuclear installations and he informed air chief as soon as he got the info.just an excuse from pro army journalist.nothing more.

 

[Jango]

you dont get it.
when there was too much pressure on army and air force that 'why they did not intercepted the helis",in those days pro army journalists also get active.in order to nullify the public pressure one the columnist wrote that our army chief thought it was attack on nuclear installations and he informed air chief as soon as he got the info.just an excuse from pro army journalist.nothing more.

i dont get the meaning of your post, are you saying that it was just to take the issue at hand to the back door???

 

[sweetboy]

I don't think so, 4 helicopters can be taken out. US would have to escalate the issue into a full scale war to take out PAF, massive war would ensue. Poora mulk khara hota behind our uniformed men.

And still, that is also acceptable. Agar defend nahi karna toh apni dukaan bandh kardoh.

boss do you know an thing about a bullets?,if war started between US and Pakistan, do you know the outcomes? we cant hurt them other than killing some hundreds of soldiers, but the entire country can be in flames of US made bombs Missiles, etc, I know it is a very crucial decision to start a war, but when its started they show no mercy,, n ura mulk khra ho jae to kya ek add nuke ko rook ly ga?

 

[*Awan*]

i dont get the meaning of your post, are you saying that it was just to take the issue at hand to the back door???

leave it yara.