India's arguments on Kashmir why they don't want to hold a plebiscite

[Skimming]

Kashmir is a trilateral issue between China, India and Pakistan.

Pakistanis will join QUAD's war against China.

 

[Jaeger]

Be intellectually honest and not be a typical Indian retard

The rules of partition were very clear.
Muslim majority were to become Pakistan.

Indians being Indians love to re write rules to their settings. India has no business in Kashmir it never did only because of a tyrant of a Hindu ruler signed document signing it of to India?

same case with Hyderabad it never wanted to be with india

I can go on .. but I suggest you do some basic research before routinely getting own ed by me 247

Kashmir is ours that is why you need plug half your infantry there, whereas no soldiers in malu land..

seriously who wants them ?

Reminding hendooo bindooos of what their thug army did

India's hidden massacre - BBC News

In September and October 1948, soon after independence from Britain, tens of thousands of people were brutally slaughtered in central India.

www.bbc.com

Ok If Muslim majority areas were Pakistan and non Muslim majority was India.

Then why did Pakistan accept accession of Junagarh?

What was Pakistan's business in Hyderabad? Jinnah encouraged them to secede from India, even tried to arrange a warm water port of them in Goa, with the help of Portugal.

Kashmir could have been your's, had you not played these games.

But you did and you lost everywhere.

 

[MilSpec]

These Indiots keep saying Pakistan needs to withdraw forces first out of Kashmir before a plebiscite can be conducted.

But UN resolutions 80 says both India and Pakistan need to withdraw forces to hold a plebiscite.

It cannot be one sided. Its not only Pakistan that has to withdraw forces from Kashmir, it is also India that needs to do this in order
to ensure a free a fair plebiscite. Even Sir Owen Dixon said this.

Owen Dixon blamed India for not holding a plebiscite.

Well, jahil jihadis forget that they invaded jammu and kashmir in 65 and 99. After Pakistani Army disregarded the UN resolution in doing so, there is no need for Indian government to even consider any prerequisites.

Now for the force withdrawal, it's sequential, any 5th grade student can read and decipher that.

 

[PradoTLC]

Ok If Muslim majority areas were Pakistan and non Muslim majority was India.

Then why did Pakistan accept accession of Junagarh?

What was Pakistan's business in Hyderabad? Jinnah encouraged them to secede from India, even tried to arrange a warm water port of them in Goa, with the help of Portugal.

Kashmir could have been your's, had you not played these games.

But you did and you lost everywhere.

Another dishonest arguement .. with Cherry picked facts

What is with you Indians ?

 

[Jaeger]

Another dishonest arguement .. with Cherry picked facts

What is with you Indians ?

Is it cherry picking..why don't tell us exactly what happened, why did Jinnah accept 90 percent Hindu area into Pakistan, despite his rhetoric of Muslim majority areas belonging to Pakistan and Hindu majority being Indian.

 

[VkdIndian]

why don't tell us exactly what happened, why did Jinnah accept 90 percent Hindu area into Pakistan, despite his rhetoric of Muslim majority areas belonging to Pakistan and Hindu majority being Indian.

That was a strategic miscalculation. Kashmir was considered already in pocket, Junagarh appeared to be a bonus.

When both slipped out, it caused even more hurt and pain.

 

[PradoTLC]

Gujarat government criticised for freeing rapists and murderers
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/asia/2023/08/18/gujarat-bilkis-bano-rape/

Is it cherry picking..why don't tell us exactly what happened, why did Jinnah accept 90 percent Hindu area into Pakistan, despite his rhetoric of Muslim majority areas belonging to Pakistan and Hindu majority being Indian.

Again irrelevant points

Kashmir is UN recognized dispute a fact that India shamelessly refuses to recognize

 

[Jaeger]

Gujarat government criticised for freeing rapists and murderers
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/asia/2023/08/18/gujarat-bilkis-bano-rape/




Again irrelevant points

Kashmir is UN recognized dispute a fact that India shamelessly refuses to recognize

That's what I am talking about, you Pakistanis will keep harping, that "Kashmir should have been your's as per the partition formula" but run away from an argument that compels you to explain the treacherous actions of your leaders.

 

[VkdIndian]

Kashmir is UN recognized dispute

India accepted it till 1971, inspite of 1965 aggression by Paksiatn, which was gross violation of truce in that region and against the UN resolutions on Kashmir.

These resolutions didn’t yield any results. After 1965 and 1999 transgressions by Paksiatn and 1972 Simla agreement, it was time to accept the realities of changed status which is being claimed by India now. Not to forget, Paksiatni support to insurgency in Kashmir in all forms, also violated the UN resolutions, which it claimed to be still in force.

Either follow the resolutions or don’t feel bad, if the other side also refuses to follow them.

It wouldn’t be fair, if India’s move to define the boundary in Siachen is not added to this list of transgressions.

PKaistan had a little longer list while Indian list had just one act that violated the UN resolutions.

There was no point in flogging a dead horse. It might be a good idea to move on with more relevant agreement which happened in Simla in 1972. This agreement made the UN resolutions meaningless and defunct.

 

[my2cents]

These Indiots keep saying Pakistan needs to withdraw forces first out of Kashmir before a plebiscite can be conducted.

But UN resolutions 80 says both India and Pakistan need to withdraw forces to hold a plebiscite.

It cannot be one sided. Its not only Pakistan that has to withdraw forces from Kashmir, it is also India that needs to do this in order
to ensure a free a fair plebiscite. Even Sir Owen Dixon said this.

Owen Dixon blamed India for not holding a plebiscite.

India was the one that wanted UN to broker the peaceful resolution on Kashmir. FIRST condition was not met by Pakistan. Now after 75 years someone actually read the resolution. That ship has sailed long ago. Time to accept status quo and move on. If Pakistan believed in peaceful resolution then would have met the UN condition for plebiscite. Instead they started the cross border terrorism and hence the mistrust.

 

[M. Sarmad]

India never chose one. It was recommended by UN resolution but India decided to not go on that route.

Jinnah didn’t want to coerce Hyderabad to join Paksiatn but he did play it poorly w.r.t Junagadh. He did display a weakness there.

Josef writes “It should be stated, without describing in any way the nature of this conflict, that both sides used it (Junagadh) to strengthen their position on Kashmir. The Pakistan representative pointed to the inconsistent attitude of India, which refused to respect the validity of the Junagadh ruler's accession to Pakistan, and yet insisted upon the legality of the Kashmir Maharaja's accession to India. India protested, by the same token, against Pakistan's contradictory approach of defending the steps taken by the ruler of Junagadh as legally correct, but rejecting the validity of the steps taken by the Kashmir ruler.”

Both the nations tried to outsmart the other. Paksiatn failed, India succeeded.

The accusations that India was never keen on Plebiscite could be correct or incorrect.
The moment never came because both the nations played their part in creating roadblocks and the moment never arrived. How can one be blamed if the moment didn’t come?

Paksiatn was the main culprit in the beginning and India towards later part, during the negotiations with UN delegations. The accusations that India was the sole culprit are completely incorrect.

While blaming both sides for the failure to implement UN Resolutions might seem to be the politically correct thing to do, esp. if a way forward has to be figured out, in this particular case, India is clearly responsible and disproportionately at fault.

The mere fact that India rejected 11 demilitarization plans put forth by the UN between 1949 and 1952, while Pakistan accepted all of them, makes it impossible to justify placing equal blame on both parties. To suggest otherwise would require a considerable degree of delusion.

That's the reason Pakistan was never held responsible by either the UN, UNCIP, or the UN mediator. Rather, the blame was attributed to India.

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan's biggest enemy after India is UAE.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Where were Jinnah's "principles", when he accepted accession of Junagarh, despite being 90 percent Hindu majority state and non contiguous to Pakistan on 16 September 1947.

Where as claming that, Kashmir being Muslim majority was rightfully his according to partition formula and further going on to physically invade Kashmir on 22nd October 1947, violating his own standstill agreement with the state.

Infact this entire Kashmir mess is of Jinnah's making, who use to boast that Kashmir toh meri muthi mein hai, but I will take Junagarh and Hyderabad, 90 percent, Hindu majority states which were not even contiguous to Pakistan.

Infact Patel had offered him, to forget Hyderabad and take Kashmir.

The fact is Jinnah lost at his own game, he assumed Kashmir was already his but he will cause problems for India in Hyderabad and Junnagarh.
In the end he neither got Hyderabad or Junnagarh and even lost out in Kashmir.

I have no interest in the amusing falsehoods propagated in Indian schools regarding Jinnah.

Regarding contiguity, Junagadh was indeed contiguous via a sea route, similar to the geographical positioning of East and West Pakistan.

Jinnah did not object to the people of Junagadh choosing to join India (even after its accession to Pakistan) if a plebiscite was applied consistently elsewhere. Jinnah was known for his principles. It was the cunning Congress leaders who displayed inconsistency when it came to Junagadh and Kashmir.

 

[Jaeger]

I have no interest in the amusing falsehoods propagated in Indian schools regarding Jinnah.

Regarding contiguity, Junagadh was indeed contiguous via a sea route, similar to the geographical positioning of East and West Pakistan.

Jinnah did not object to the people of Junagadh choosing to join India (even after its accession to Pakistan) if a plebiscite was applied consistently elsewhere. Jinnah was known for his principles. It was the cunning Congress leaders who displayed inconsistency when it came to Junagadh and Kashmir.

Jinnah had no business in either Junnagarh or Hyderabad.
He just wanted to play games to weaken the Indian union.
Well he got what he wanted and lost out in all 3 princely state.
He rolled the dice first with his accession of Junnagarh and annexation of the princely state Jammu & Kashmir, before India leaders did anything, anywhere...'And the rest as they say is history'.

 

[M. Sarmad]

India was the one that wanted UN to broker the peaceful resolution on Kashmir. FIRST condition was not met by Pakistan. Now after 75 years someone actually read the resolution. That ship has sailed long ago. Time to accept status quo and move on. If Pakistan believed in peaceful resolution then would have met the UN condition for plebiscite. Instead they started the cross border terrorism and hence the mistrust.

This is another hilarious lie concocted by the Indians. The FIRST condition was to conclude a Truce Agreement. A Truce Agreement was never concluded because India continuously kept rejecting every and all proposals of terms of demilitarization suggested by the UN while Pakistan accepted them all. Yet the clueless Indians have the audacity to blame Pakistan.

Jinnah had no business in either Junnagarh or Hyderabad.
He just wanted to play games to weaken the Indian union.
Well he got what he wanted and lost out in all 3 princely state.
He rolled the dice first with his accession of Junnagarh and annexation of the princely state Jammu & Kashmir, before India leaders did anything, anywhere...'And the rest as they say is history'.

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As I said earlier, I have no interest in the hilarious falsehoods propagated in Indian schools regarding Jinnah.